Follow the FACTS...

2,508 views • 75 upvotes • Made by vBackman 5 years ago in politics
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TOETAG
8 ups, 5y
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5 ups, 5y, 1 reply
7.ups
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
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3 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Just read on Fox News (cue the triggered snowflakes) that Dems are starting another impeachment investigation. Because the first one worked so well, huh?

They didn't need evidence for the last one, so what's to stop another?



This and every Stalinist blue state governor will stampede moderates right into the open arms of GOP candidates in every political office.  November red tsunami, boys.
7.ups
3 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Just like clockwork, they started the 1st impeachment to deflect news about Biden’s quid pro quo.  Now they’re doing it again to deflect news about Obama’s treasury department spying on Flynn.
TellMeWhyIExist
1 up, 5y, 4 replies
Okay. Really now? Obama spied on Flynn. Biden's quid pro quo.



I am kind of getting tired of correcting the rightist bullshit on this stream.



First, Trump is the one who did a quid pro quo with Ukraine, asking for information on Biden. Second, Obama is many things, but a creepy corrupt person is just not one of them. The right always act like they are innocent and blame the Democrats. Also, Donald Trump was impeached for a reason, and that reason was not because of any political gain, but because of wrongdoing.



Democrats are not people sent from hell, and people like you need to realize that. And both Democrats and Republicans alike are proposing COVID-19 stimulus packages to help the people affected by the quarantine and the pandemic, so that proves that both sides want to help the American people, not just the Republicans. Rightists like you act like Democrats and anyone who opposes Trump is automatically a liar and a sham to gain political power. Reality? People who oppose the president are pointing him out for his wrongdoing.



You only look at one side of the picture. Now, am I saying that Democrats are angels? HELL NO. Biden, just like Trump, has a sexual assault allegation against him, and, like Trump, has been caught in some really perverted photos. And having a person with photos and allegations similar to Trump could mean a person SIMILAR TO TRUMP, which I know that the Democrats do not want. However, it is their only choice right now. I just wish that a more competent, younger, person who has been in less creepy photos than our two candidates would get to run.
SydneyB
2 ups, 5y
A quid pro que needs both sides to do something. They never did what Trump asked, so it's not a quid pro que. Unlike what Biden got.
SydneyB
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
In a quid pro quo both sides need to do something. Zelensky didn't do what Trump asked, so no quid pro quo happened. Now Biden WAS involved in a quid pro quo.



Quid pro quo = Something for something.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
But the sheer fact that Trump asked is illegal in and of itself.



"I asked someone to murder another person, and they said no, so you cannot arrest me!"

"But the sheer fact you asked is illegal."

"..."



Now does this excuse Biden's quid pro quo? Not by any means.



In my opinion, I have two choices:



Joe Biden: A man with a sexual assault allegation against him, involved in a quid pro quo.



Donald Trump: A man multiple sexual assault allegations against him, tried to participate in a quid pro quo.



Not the best options here, people!
SydneyB
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
No, no it's not. He certainly didn't ask for someone to be murdered. 



At least Trump isn't senile. And probably won't die in 2 years. Let joe go sleep.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 6 replies
But he asked for information on a political opponent, giving him dirt that he could spread on the Internet. So I say that that would give him an unfair advantage and is thus illegal. And I am not saying that Trump asked for someone to be murdered. I'll give him credit for that.



And Trump has a better chance of dying in two years than you think. He is 73, one year younger than his mother-in-law.
SydneyB
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
You do realize Biden jr had no experience in the field and couldn't speak Ukrainian, right? He was hired when Joe was put in charge of looking after Ukraine, right? You do remember that the dnc bought a phony dossier from foreign agents to stage a coup against a fairly elected president, right? You think Trump even knew Joe would take the nomination? 



He's pretty healthy for 73 and his diet. But sure, anyone can die but I haven't seen Trump's eye bleeding on stage.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Trump is under suspicion of cooperating with the Russians. Before you say that that is not true, let me just say that Trump constantly praises the authoritarian leader Vladimir Putin, who assuredly a oppressive autocrat.



Further, I do think that Biden would get the nomination. Not as crazy as Sanders, there has not been a female president, so Elizabeth Warren did not have a likely chance of winning, so Joe actually had the best odds at the time.
SydneyB
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
No, it was because the dnc bought a fake dossier from a foreign agent and used it to spy on and open an investigation against Trump in order to remove him.



I'll say it again : 



THERE IS NO TRUMP / RUSSIA COLLUSION. THAT'S A SETUP BY THE DEMS AND YOU FELL FOR IT. 



Give your head a shake and wake up.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
And I'll say it again:



I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS ANY RUSSIAN INFLUENCE. THERE WERE JUST SOME LEGITIMATE CONCERNS.



Give your eyes a workout and read my words, will ya?
SydneyB
1 up, 5y
https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/senate-committee-authorizes-subpoenas-in-hunter-biden-probe/
SydneyB
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
No one convicted in the Mueller probe had any charges to do with Russia.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Never said that anyone was convicted. There were legitimate concerns, but they turned out to be false. It was not because of politics or corruption, it was just because of a suspicious tie with Russia.
SydneyB
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
"legitimate concerns" that were brought about by the dnc buying a fake dossier from a foreign agent and using it to spy on and open an investigation against Trump.



When this happened you were 8. I doubt you were paying attention then.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Aight, who told you this? Fox News? Trump? Because I can assure you that both of those sources just want to make Trump look good and not reveal the true facts.
SydneyB
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
Praises Putin? He praises, kinda, Kim Jung Un. He also once called him Rocketman. Welcome to politics, kid. If there was no hoax Mueller investigation and Trump was 'mean' to Putin as prez, the media would be freaking out over that. Make you decisions but realize that's the media we're dealing with. Seriously, realize that. I've never seen anything like it but the MSM is completely sold out. 



Yes, but that only means so much. Look, you say he wanted dirt. He wanted to smear across the media. He want to hurt Biden. Lots of 'wanted's there. 



Hope you stick around. In this stream you'll get a few different viewpoints. Much better than the MSM and leftist teachers.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
I will stick around. And I do not have leftist teachers. My teachers teach me things free of partisan influence.



Just remember that praising an autocrat raises suspicion. Further, the Mueller investigation had legitimate concerns because major players in Trump's campaign had ties with Russia. Also, the MSM does have facts in it.
7.ups
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
“I am kind of getting tired of correcting the rightist bullshit on this stream“



Then quit trying to counter it with leftist BS.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Leftist BS huh? You sure are convinced that your side has it all right. Nothing about your side is wrong, and that my side was sent by the devil. This is what you act like. I openly admit that the side I am on right now has done shitty things, and yet you do not say that.
SydneyB
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
From paying attention the last 4 years.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Paying attention to what? Broaden your sources. Turn off Fox News and OANN. Listen to, not CNN, but the Epoch Times, New York Times, NBC, and those types of news networks, not just those that are biased in Trump's favor.
7.ups
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
I never said my side is never wrong or your side is of the devil.  That’s a conjecture you, and other leftists, make when the right disagrees with you.  You’ve been so conditioned by biased media that you can’t comprehend that, what they tell you, isn’t true or isn’t the full story.  So when you hear things like, “The Zelensky call doesn’t implicate Trump in any kind of crime or misdemeanor”, you cant accept it because it flys in the face of the fantasy you and others have wanted to believe, simply because you don’t like the person in the WH.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
I only speak out when the right disagrees with me for false reasons. The Zelensky call was a crime because Trump wanted information on Joe Biden to give him an advantage in the re-elections. You cannot accept this because you adore the president so much that you think he cannot do anything wrong, and anyone who criticizes him is corrupt.



And I do know the media lies. A lot. Among the media, the ones who support Trump constantly lie about his achievements, just as you do on this stream.
SydneyB
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Gee, then it must be a crime to buy a hoaxed dossier that you know is bs in order to smear the president and have him removed from office, which you (Comey) neglect to tell the FISA court was paid for by the DNC!
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Again, where do you get this information? Honestly, I would like to know.
7.ups
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
“Trump wanted information on Joe Biden to give him an advantage in the re-elections“



This is complete speculation with absolutely no basis on truth.  Democrats believe it was his motivation because that’s exactly what Biden did and something they themselves would do.  Maybe you should try actually reading the transcript yourself instead of parrot what you hear in the leftist media.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Fine then. First off, have YOU actually read the whole transcript?



Second, if you have, I would like to educate myself. Where did you find it?
7.ups
1 up, 5y, 1 reply
I’m replying here because I can’t reply directly to your question below.



“have YOU actually read the whole transcript?”

Yes I have.  It’s available from several sources on the web.



https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-phone-call-transcript-text-pdf-1510770
TellMeWhyIExist
1 up, 5y
Okay, thank you so much!
FunnyDog75
3 ups, 5y
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Toejoe
3 ups, 5y, 1 reply
vBackman
7 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Toejam, you are like a fungus that keeps showing up. I said, "Follow the FACTS..." and you just can't incorporate them somehow. You Dems are destroying our country via the behavior outlined. You cannot love America if you side with criminal / irrational behavior.
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Toejoe
3 ups, 5y, 1 reply
vBackman
11 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Trump was not convicted of the two charges of which he was impeached. The entire process was a national disgrace enacted by the House of Reps. You obviously CARE NOT that a sitting POTUS was spied on in an attempted coup. The meme is about the lack of accomplishments from Dems exhibiting treasonous & seditious behavior while wasting our money. That should bother you AS AN AMERICAN but obviously, it does not. Your last paragraph is descriptive of Democrats and not Republicans.
lokiare
5 ups, 5y
@Toejoe there's no distinction between true facts and truth. Most don't know this but most of Infowars stories are just stories from other news outlets that they investigate and verify. Some even come directly from the mainstream news (on page 30 or whatever).



You keep saying cult. Stop projecting your own issues onto others. I disagree with several things Trump has done, but the alternative is insanity. I do agree with a lot of his promises and he's kept a lot of his promises.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
But you fail to see Trump's faults. First of all, he WAS convicted of the charge regarding the first impeachment. And further, you say like everything is corrupt except for Trump. And yet he praises an authoritarian he claims to have no business or political ties with Vladimir Putin. And, Democrat or Republican, we can all agree that Putin is pretty horrible.



Am I saying that Trump interacted with the Russians? No. The Mueller investigation has not proved that yet, so I will not believe it until proven true. Also, you come out like Republicans can do nothing wrong, and that Democrats are evil. Answer? No and no. Also, there are representatives that are Republicans in the House, so are you saying that Republicans, the angels that are superior to Democrats wanted Trump impeached.



You do not stop and look at Trump's faults and background. To get acceptance, you, and if I may paraphrase a quote from Timber1972, parrot whatever he says to you and spread propaganda, the exact thing you say Democrats are spreading.
vBackman
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Trump was NEVER CONVICTED of either impeachment article. And, speaking of facts,  here is a condensed list that you can read and hopefully realize how bad liberalism and 

Democrats are, TellMeWhy.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Correction: He was never REMOVED FROM OFFICE. He was impeached, but not removed from office. Big difference.



Second, Democrats are not the sole reason for ANY of the things you have listed. It is like Democrats are these filthy sewer rats that need to be cleaned out by Republicans. Well, they are not.



You do not provide evidence to support all of these claims, and if you can bring legitimate evidence of these claims being true, then and only then will I believe you, vBackman.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
If Trump would have been CONVICTED it would have been in the Senate. He wasn't convicted and he wasn't removed. The only reason it got anywhere is because the congress is controlled by dems. 



And you're deluded bigtime if you think that list was pushed by conservatives.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
And no, I do not think that list was pushed by conservatives. No delusion!
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 2 replies
It was in the Senate. He did not get removed because the majority of Senators are Republican. Getting convicted and getting removed are two different things. Trump was CONVICTED, but he was not REMOVED.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
I tried. I so tried. 



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Donald_Trump



Read the 1st paragraph. 



TRUMP WAS AQUITTED BY THE SENATE.



The fact you're so young ain't going to matter if you keep being a little know it all yet don't even have the easy details down.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Well, I, unlike most people, think Wikipedia is credible, so I will give you credit for having a credible source. But the case did go to the Senate. If Trump was not convicted, the Senate would not have had to acquit him. So he was convicted, just acquitted after due to a mostly Republican majority.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
They don't try cases in Congress. That's the Senate's job.



That's it. I give the f**k up with you.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
You are half right. They do not try cases in Congress. You are 100% right on that. But they do not try cases in the Senate either. They try cases in the House of Representatives.
vBackman
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Bill Clinton was also impeached in the House and tried by the Senate and NOT REMOVED FROM OFFICE". What is your point????  If he is convicted in the Senate (67 votes), then the punishment is removal from office. Impeachment occurred in the House which required a simple majority vote which occurred. TELLMEWHY you don't get it....????  



Frankly, I don't care if you believe me or not. It is true. Read the news. Watch what is going on in our country. Get off CNN and broaden your news sources. You are fixated on Trump and impeachment when it was a TOTAL SCAM by Democrats. The fact that you embrace the insanity of the left and do not care that Trump was spied on in AMERICA by Democrats in an attempted coup to overthrow him, tells me you don't get it and you can't TELLMEWHY....
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y, 3 replies
Oh, and who told you this? Trump? Not being removed from office but being impeached means that they were convicted, but they could not be removed from office. I use more sources than CNN. Trump was not spied on by Democrats. I can assure you that Democrats are not Richard Nixon.



You only say I am wrong because I disagree with you. Not everything is a scam by Democrats in an attempt to overthrow Trump. Trump only says this because he has no other option but to lie.



"Mr. President, I heard that the White House is not doing the best job with COVID-19 right now, your response?"



"We are doing amazing, your claim is FAKE NEWS!!"



Except he is not, US cases and deaths are rising with no signs of stopping, and Trump has already moved on to the Space Force program flag. Space Force, in case you did not know, is a missile program for space.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Literally a 5 second search on frigging google.



https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855820024/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-flynn-biden-and-unmasking-story



Is NPR not 'biased' enough for you?



This is easy level stuff.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
NPR is not necessarily biased. I know that you would claim it is unbiased if it helped your side. See? This article also states that it is not illegal for the administration to do this, and that it is within their power to do so.



Also, NPR is one of the most unbiased sources that I can think of off the top of my head. CNN is too biased in the Democrat's favor, and Fox News & OAN are too biaised in Republican's favor.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
OH!!!!!!!!!!! So now the goalposts have been moved.

Now it happened but it's legal. 



I'm going to warn people not to waste time with you. Your lib brainwashing is too much of a barrier.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Go ahead. Do that. Makes my life a lot easier constantly dealing with right "brainwashing".



Also, it was legal at the time. The article you posted said as much.



I am not brainwashing anyone. I am just disagreeing and stating my side with evidence. You surround yourself with people that always agree with you, saying that people who don't agree with you are not American or whatnot.



Kind of sad that I realize this but you don't.
SydneyB
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Trump's campaign staff was spied on. What do you think the FISA court was used for? Stop embarrassing yourself.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
And I grow tired of asking this question. Where do you get your information from? You constantly make claims about spying, but I can assure you that neither the left or right pulled a Richard Nixon until you can provide evidence from unbiased sources.
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BedfordGuy
2 ups, 5y, 1 reply
vBackman
7 ups, 5y, 1 reply
What crimes did Trump commit?
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3 ups, 5y, 3 replies
lokiare
6 ups, 5y
It's one step better than chinese and russian communist underlings
7.ups
2 ups, 5y, 2 replies
Actually, it’s better than putting career politicians in positions of power.  At least corporate bigwigs have an inkling of recent experience running an organization that can’t print their own money.
BedfordGuy
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Trump appointees have a high turnover rate.
7.ups
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Was there a point to your comment?
BedfordGuy
0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
Not my fault it went over your head.
TellMeWhyIExist
0 ups, 5y
Yep. He fired, as an example, Jeff Sessions, who, despite being an idiot, supported an investigation into Trump. You oppose Trump, you get harassed and yelled at for not being American! At least on this stream.
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0 ups, 5y, 1 reply
7.ups
1 up, 5y
Same can be said for putting career politicians in cabinet positions.



It was mnminphx.
InarenCommander
1 up, 5y
Bad old rich people.
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