Marriage Pro Tip: Never allow your spouse to hear you refer to someone else as "insanely hot".

I'm not sure I understand why people keep getting married. Habit, I guess. Or maybe because everyone else is doing it. The current form of marriage seems incongruous with modern life. You can't be truly honest, and it isn't wise to try. If you're going to marry though, your pro tip is definitely good advice.

Hah. Funny one

I believe what makes you an incel is being consumed by hatred for women. Watching porn or whatever doesn't necessarily make you that.

Personally, I find feminism to be compatible with recognizing and appreciating female beauty and respecting their decision to share sexy photos of their gorgeous bodies with us. It's why they do it, isn't it?

Hate incels though. I just ran across some incel garbage on FB today that I might repost here in a bit

Lol.

Think for a second: Porn corrupts your mind. All thoughts that you have about women (and often your same-sex) are petrified by evil. Women on pornhub are often sex slaves and are forced...The ones that are not forced like feeling something hard in between their legs...Porn is not feminism...In fact, it is the abuse of feminism.

Your quote: "I find feminism to be compatible with recognizing and appreciating female beauty and respecting their decision to share sexy photos of their gorgeous bodies with us. It's why they do it, isn't it?" wreaks of incest, pedophilia, and utter sinful perversion! You "like" porn because it pleasures you! You don't think that it is a show of feminism. You know that it is the opposite, and destroys the meaning of a REAL woman!

But don't take it from me, take it from Riley herself. This is a good one from her own video blog channel on YouTube and it is SFW... at least, from a visual content perspective :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip_KqCX2Lsc&t=3s

No really, watch it. You desperately need to hear from some women who have lived it. Tell me if you think she's abused.

No way am I going to even play devil's advocate! I will not tempt myself...Her euphemism that will most likely be in the video will not sway me.

So... you're not even willing to watch a self-produced video in which a fully-clothed Riley Reid (wearing a sweater of the kind I've posted here) talks directly to the camera for 16 minutes about her own lived experiences on the very subject you have such strong opinions (but no direct experience of your own) about.

Interesting.

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And *I'm* somehow the misogynist?

I am not willing to hear anymore euphemistic pure-wind...Look up the definitions, please.

I don't care what strange justification she will give for being able to abuse her body. A poor human she is, for thinking that porn (if she compiled to sex) is okay.

You've made up your mind and if you're not willing to hear conflicting evidence from someone who's actually lived it, there is little point in continuing the conversation.

You can give me an opposing argument, but I will not risk any more exposure to porn (than having gone to your profile) than need be.

Give me one simple statement. Ex.

My statement:

The reasons:

I believe all in all:

You already went through my profile and survived with your morals intact, apparently, so I'm not sure what your point is

You don't have to watch "porn" or listen to women in any state of dress if you don't want to: but don't force your choice on me

There's an ImgFlip for both of us and there's one simple red button that effectuates that

That is pretty much all

I went through it off of NSFW, so I did not have to see a bunch of women's junk.

That is like saying: "Don't like beating your wife? Then just don't beat her!"
You are telling me to leave your ideologies alone while you are doing something immoral.

There is one imgflp, dude.

What I wanted was for you to give me a statement. Ex I like tomatoes. I like them because they are tasty.

Riley Reid (pictured) would disagree, as would many other actresses, models, women in the adult film industry, and other sex workers: all of whom have, in their own ways, found a mixture of personal satisfaction and professional success in looking beautiful and acting sexy. And so do some men, by the way.

You referenced PornHub. On this website and all across the internet, you will find so many amateur women uploading images of their bodies for their own personal satisfaction and for zero (or minimal) money that it's not even funny. Why? Some women like to do it. Because the sex drive is powerful. It defies logic that they're all being abused.

*Some* women are abused and we need to talk about that, but we're not going to help them by shaming them and criminalizing sex work. I'm not convinced that abuse occurs more often in the adult industry than it does against, say, the illegal migrant farm workers who pick your grocery store tomatoes. (We don't usually talk about that though).

In both cases, the solution is decriminalization, legalization, and passing laws which protect and empower the workers.

Your view of women tries to hold them on a pedestal. I view them as equal to men and I respect body their bodily autonomy (right to not have sex) and their sex drives (desire to have sex).

While I disagree with you, you've phrased your opinions (mostly) respectfully (apart from the "incest/pedophilia/sinful perversion" stuff), and these are the kind of discussions I enjoy having on this stream.

To your second para: What does that even mean? Porn is the abuse of the body, three images!

To your third para and fourth para: What are you even talking about? You are trying to drown me in random words, all of it is just pure-wind.

Yes, it does. They should be protecting their virginity, not showing it off to anyone who will physically or electronically bang her. You, as a human, abuse those pictures in mind and in masturbation. You know the real reason why you so steadfastly support porn...You receive a physical and chemical high from it, hence your complete consuming addiction.

I'm not sure what was unclear about anything I said above. Try reading it again?

Yeah, porn produces a chemical high, so does real sex -- so do things like alcohol and cigarettes. It's possible to enjoy all these things in moderation without becoming "addicted." You can also get addicted to "healthy" things like exercise and dieting: people have died of eating disorders.

The best definition of "addiction" I've ever heard is that it's when pursuit of an activity takes over to the point you damage your health and are unable to function normally. You can only take my word for it, but I am healthy and function normally.

I go for days or weeks sometimes without watching porn. If anything, these days I am most addicted to ImgFlip itself: Lol.

Final thought: If people like you ran the world, then we'd have to start censoring a whole lot of art. And guess what: people like you do run the world in the Middle East! I found this article fascinating.

https://www.businessinsider.com/women-album-covers-censored-middle-east-2017-6#in-addition-to-covering-her-legs-madonnas-cross-necklace-was-removed-9

Answer to para one: And what do all of those things have in common? Those things have serious negative effects. No, it is not. These things have been invented to corrupt and destroy, hence sin...Eating disorders are anorexia, not HEALTHY dieting. You cannot ration porn, porn is meant to be over and over and over, thick and trapping.

No, you are not. You are functioning as an addict does. Most people in pornography industries are very good looking and have healthy PHYSICAL life-styles...But= what they do to their bodies is not healthy.

I'm sure you think so...Ex. You kill a human being, but go a week withing killing another. You feel it makes things right, and you have enough time to recuperate from your emotional trauma. But do you really? Porn is not like that...To restore yourself to usual thoughts and good habits/actions: years are in order for this to take place...If you watch porn for 20 years you could spend another 20 just getting back to normal.

You call sexual promiscuity art?! Really?!

I am not going to read the article, in fear that something tempting may come up...But if this dude banned porn, then good for him and good for the well being of the country that he did it to.

I won’t post any sexual content out of respect to your delicate sensibilities: but yes, flattering depictions of women in any state of dress are inherently artistic. If you don’t know that you don’t know much about art. Ever encounter a bust of Venus? How about cave paintings? We’ve been doing it as a species forever. And will continue to do so forever until sexually repressed tyrants like you stamp it out.

Hope this helps.

Delicate? Lol. How perverted have you let yourself become?

I, myself, have been an artist for my entire life...I fact I plan to sell art...Porn is not art...Porn is the sexual corruption of what was meant to be: a man and a wife, showing each other things that they only should see. For, when bonded by marriage, the man's nakedness is the wife's and the wife's nakedness is the husband's.

What random evil art do you speak of? I don't remember seeing anything more than pointy boobies from a cave painting...Does this "art" inspire you to masturbate more or something?

You still haven't done what I have asked. To make things clear for both of us, I want: I believe in this, because: x.

You haven't done this for a reason, because you know that you cannot morally support porn...No one can, it is unjustifiable...

I think I’ve made my stance on these issues perfectly clear, not sure what the formula you are asking me to frame my ideas within is intended to accomplish.

I have not failed to do anything. If I am to prove something, I would like to prove something directly.

Of course...Why would I watch something so repulsive? It's like saying: "Since your worst fear is dolls, would you like to meet a nice doll?" That's just ridiculous, no way am I going to risk falling into sin.

I am not demanding burdens of truth, which is why you are so defensive right now...Just give me a few statements so I can address your argument with no misconceptions, as is often the case on imgflip. People argue and argue but don't actually address the prompt.

I am a Christian and (somewhere around) a conservative. Neither of those things comes too much into play...The arguments I will be using do not include both of those general viewpoints.

It is to get pov's clear...I know you love porn and are addicted, but why and what argument do you give to justify it? You have not set that straight, or set it apart so it is easily viewable.

I don’t have to “justify” porn: the burden of proof is on you to show why it’s harmful, and you’ve so far failed to do that.

I’ve referenced the fact that erotic depictions have existed since the beginning of time, that millions of women these days share images of themselves voluntarily for their own enjoyment, and offered one testimonial of a successful porn actress that you admitted you refused to even watch.

You’re demanding burdens of proof from myself that I’ve not only already met, and that you’ve refused to consider, but also that you yourself fail to provide. You appear to be generally referencing conservative Christian attitudes but haven’t made that clear.