Sweden did not have a lockdown for COVID-19

Up-to-date #coronavirus deaths by percentage of total population:

Spain .05%
UK .05%
Italy .04%
France .04%
Sweden .03%
U.S. .02%

Sweden was only country on this list that didn't do a national lockdown/quarantine.

also sweden has less dense areas than the united states

Their deaths per capita is the 10th highest in the world. The US is 13th.

And THAT'S why lockdown is a GOOD THING.

And what about England, France, Italy, Britain, Belguim... the list goes on.

Further, the majority of deaths in Sweden occurred in senior living facilities, who were placed under protective quarantines.

The silence of antithesis says a lot.

The UK government waited too long to act and ignored prior advice recommending they increase their stock of ppe and ventilators, a significant proportion of the population in Italy are elderly and there were several points of infection early on.

And the other countries?

I'd have to research, I'm not currently informed enough to comment.

I do know that New Zealand went into lockdown really early and the population were supportive of it, their number of infections has been impressively low, they just recorded their first day with no new infections.

F**k you are dumb.

I ignored the obvious flaw in your statement originally, but since you still missed it. Your statement claims that the UK delaying lockdowns explains their high death rate. But Sweden HAD NO LOCKDOWN, AND STILL HAS A LOWER RATE THAN ENGLAND.

Lastly, New Zealand? Are you this stupid? North America is in the northern hemisphere. New Zealand and Australia are in the Southern Hemisphere. This means the seasons are reversed. New Zealand hasn't entered flu season yet.

'It is too soon for a full reckoning of the effects of the “Swedish model.” The COVID-19 death rate is nine times higher than in Finland, nearly five times higher than in Norway, and more than twice as high as in Denmark.'

Since March 29th they have prohibited gatherings of more than 50 people, it seems like their choices were based on ignorance and that they are playing catch-up.

"Australia usually spans from June to September and peaks in August."

Facts. They suck for the dumb folk who think every place in the world is the same and suffers the same diseases at the same time.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/australia-had-a-horrible-flu-season-what-that-means-for-the-u-s

Most of the deaths are in senior living facilities which were under quarantine.

They have less deaths per million than many other countries, and far less Economic destruction.

You keep ignoring this because it doesn't square with your claim.

Senior living centers are mostly . . . Seniors.
Could it be that quarantine had nothing to do with the number of deaths, but rather, the average age and, thus, lower immunity had more to do with it?

Surely, that's a major factor as the majority of deaths have comorbidity factors. And as one ages, the number of said factors is likely to increase.

But these people were under quarantine, and restrictive measures were taken and yet they became infected, and their comorbidity led to death.

So explain exactly how being under quarantine actually caused a spread of infection? Are you saying that, if these people were coming and going freely, they would not have become infected?

It's not my stating the facts that needs explaining. If these people were under quarantine, how did they become infected?

Further, according to a recent to study of NYC infections, 66% of those infected were people staying home and we're non-essential employees and they weren't using mass transit.

So, in other words, you have nothing to back your theory that being under quarantine was a factor in the deaths in senior living facilities.

Using mass transit isn’t the only way one can contract a virus. It sounds like you’ve decided that the restrictions put in place to flatten the curve are, somehow, causing more problems than they resolve. So you cherry pick statistics to support your theory while ignoring common sense.

"So, in other words, you have nothing to back your theory that being under quarantine was a factor in the deaths in senior living facilities."

You are misreading what I said. I never being under quarantine "caused a spread of infection". I am simply stating the FACT that the majority of deaths, which occurred in Sweden, took place in Senior Living facilities, where quarantine procedures were in place. That's not me saying "quarantining these people was a factor". The reality is, Sweden didn't lockdown their country, and they have lower deaths per million than several countries which did.

Then you accuse me of cherry picking statistics, when I am not. And yes, the lockdowns in our country have caused more damage than the disease. We have lost nearly 700 jobs to every 1 coronavirus death. 60% of small business owners expect to be out of business in 2-3 months. The economic and related consequences have yet to fully be shown, and

Less Urban Density, percentage of old people, better healthcare *ahem*, more testing, and better testing could all be factors on why the death rate is low.

Also, they could have had better screening for people entering the country to keep the death rate low.

Less Urban Density: Very true and good observation. However the USA on a national level has a relatively low population density as well. This would speak against nationwide lockdowns, especially in areas where there far less density.

"better healthcare *ahem*: I am not sure what you mean. Sweden, and all the other countries listed have universal healthcare. So how specifically is Sweden's better?

"more testing, and better testing": Well unfortunately, Sweden has some of the lowest testing per capita in the world. So I am not sure how this is a factor.

pretty sure the USA doesn't have universal healthcare

"Well unfortunately, Sweden has some of the lowest testing per capita in the world."

one could make the argument that due to lower testing, there might be some deaths that went undetected or were presumed as other diseases instead of Covid

The USA doesn't have universal healthcare, and has less deaths per capita than countries that do.....

You could make that argument that testing Covid-19 deaths went undetected and that's possible.

how do you respond so fast

Magic

Not as dumb as you apparently.

You are choosing to ignore that there are other factors involved.

It is dumb to argue that the best way to deal with a new virus sweeping the globe (you believe it's a globe, right?) that is more contagious than the flu and is costing people's lives is not to quarantine.

It's a respiratory disease, moron. And they hit the Northern and Southern Hemispheres at different times. Why? Because the respiratory viruses thrive in colder weather ( winter) and die faster in warmer weather (summer). This is basic virology.

Because I said "flue season" doesn't mean I am saying it's the flu.

Like I said you are a moron.

'Flue season'

That's when people get their chimneys cleaned, right?

Thanks, it's a tough crowd...

Oh look, a typo, yeah the debunks the reality of Hemispheres, alternating seasons and basic virology.

What a derp.

Yeah, that's clearly what I was arguing.

Do you need me to signpost the sarcasm?

you quoting Dumpy right?

No.

Other than his avant-garde stream of consciousness stuff, none of his material is original; he was quoting me.

and you will shoot the guy at Subway for a sandwich- who has a touch of the Derangement?