Will it really be worth it if it causes people to kill themselves?

You make an excellent point, who_am_i, using common sense and not emotion.

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Or relapse into addiction?
Or divorce?
Or abuse their spouse?
Or abuse their kids?
Or their job?
Or their own business?
Or anything else in this unnecessary lockdown?

Best headlines I've seen. This is brilliant!

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Thanks!

LOL!!! Where is that from, that's awesome!!!

A newspaper

Don't forget developing type two diabetes, since we cant exercise and boredom Influence poor diet choices.

Virtually all of these are choices.

Well, my children cant exercise now. That is not a choice (mine or theirs). There is literally no room to exercise in our apartment. While the government so graciously "allows" us to take walks, my local police dept. has made it clear we are only allowed to as individuals. (No family/group walks). My kids are too young to go out by themselves. And I feel guilty taking walks myself when I know that they can't.
I also no longer have access to mental health care. The do phone appointments, and the walls in my apartment are so thin my kids can hear everything (shoot, the neighbors can hear everything) which means I cannot be open during these sessions due to lack of privacy. Which means in addition to the added stress of the lockdown (house arrest) the coping mechanisms used to cope with mental illness have been taken away.
If I didnt know what it would do to my kids, I'd be dead already. I absolutely am falling apart under this stress. I break down crying multiple times a day and have no way to hide that from my kids.
Don't downplay these as "choices". No one chooses to have a mental illness. You just try and find the healthiest coping mechanism. (Such as therapy and physical activity). When those are taken away, people are bound to turn to less healthy coping mechanisms, such as drugs. If I knew of a drug I actually liked, I would probably be on it.

My heart goes out to you, boredmeme. Raising children as you are is a stressful situation by itself without adding in these additional restraints. You are obviously an educated woman and you seem to be realistic in your understanding of your current predicament. Always remember that temporary life situations are just that...temporary...and you just have to get through them! Please let me know if you need someone to talk to as I have experience in raising children, am not judgmental and also have a daughter probably around your age who could also be a support system for you. Please let me know if you would like to email. Hang in there, better times are ahead!

Correct... but the hardship they are forced into unnecessarily IS a factor...

People face hardships all the time, it doesn't take away responsibility for their choices and actions. There are decent arguments for or against ending the lockdown but these aren't on that list - this is basically diverting responsibility for abhorrent behavior to a situation rather than an individual.

Incorrect... They are in a situation that they should not be in. Where the person would not be faced with the hardship had the irresponsible lockdowns been put into place. The fact of the matter is that their lives matter just as much as those who might get COVID-19. Not disagreeing that they ultimately make the decision -- as much as a mentally unstable person can be responsible for their decisions (and that's not for you or me to decide). The lockdowns have been a failure and these cases would be accountable to that decision, no matter what you say.

Regardless, you also ignorantly are categorizing all the items I listed as personal choices and that is obviously false. Let's not focus on your single error regarding suicides... all the items listed are in play and go on the ledger of being increased due to the failed lockdowns.

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3q7c69.gif (click to show) Thumbs up, that is the choice we should be allowed to make. If you are scared, stay home and stay away from people. If you want to make a choice to live, there could be consequences like anything in life.

Suicide is a choice entirely in the hands of the person who decides to commit it.

So should be shutting down your business. To tell someone they can not make a living can then drive people to suicide. Both are horrible in my book and is a reflection of what is happening.

My wife shut down her business. She's not committing suicide. Jesus Christ, grow up!

I am glad. It is to make people think ... you need to get some insight and maybe think a little more.

I'm not committing suicide either, but I am certainly suffering negative mental health effects from this. And not everyone is the same. Not everyone can have a business like your wife. Of those that do, some have literally put everything they own, and some things that they don't, into trying to keep it afloat.
I assume you wouldn't tell an amputee that since you are able to walk, they should be able to too. I assume you would recognize that their circumstances are different the hours. But I may be giving you too much credit, because you are obviously an asshole and just might be the type of Karren who cant seen to grasp that he doesn't have legs.
And just because you can't see a person's medical issues (and mental health IS a medical issue) doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A person doesn't "just get over it" any more than a person "just gets over" leukemia.

To this thread, where are all the right leaning people with their liberal snowflake comments?

Crickets......... just crickets.

This is the most pathetic display of reversal I've ever seen.

Eagle with its head hung low. Indeed!

Don't conflate the shutting down of businesses with suicide. Your argument doesn't hold water. Not in the least! There are just as many people struggling over losing loved ones. That number would skyrocket had we done nothing. You've got an extremely poor argument.

There is a huge difference between people who want to live and lose their lives over ignorant infected people, infected people who don't know they are infected, and any number of other reasons that are completely out of their control, versus people who can't deal with the struggle of life and, "choose" to take their own lives.

While that's true in a sense, they have an underlying mental condition and depression isn't a joke.

Exactly. You wouldn't tell a person to "just get over it" if they had leukemia or cancer. Why do people think "just get over it" is appropriate for mental health issues?

In rare cases do sane people commit suicide... People who are suicidal forced needlessly into a despair situation, the situation plays a role. This lockdown is proven to be unnecessary.

Suicide is for pussy's. I have no compassion for anyone who doesn't have the balls to work through their shit. Hurry up and do it already so the rest of society can move on and continue living. That's about how I feel about people who can't deal with life.

Wow. I know who the bully was at your high school.

I'm unsure of that. The spanish flu showed pretty clearly that re-opening society too early can cause a devastating second wave. I DO have issue with some of the draconian methods certain states are exercising, but overall I think the lockdown and basic social distancing measures are a necessary evil. And so long as we retain our second amendment the government has little choice but to give up the extra power we've given them during the crisis. Trying to hold onto it once the pandemic is over would only lead to one place.

A second larger outbreak across the states would end up shutting down the economy anyways and it wouldn't be a voluntary shutdown - it would shutdown because of the amount of sick people that couldn't show up to keep it running. What I think people should be protesting are the ridiculous measures that make it impossible for people to hold radio church services from inside their cars or affect people who are fishing in the mountains by themselves etc. That sort of behavior from the government is unacceptable and does NOT help with limiting the spread of the virus. But that isn't the entire lockdown.

This is less like the Spanish Flu and more like modern flu seasons.

Had we wisely remained opened, then herd immunity would have prevented a relapse.

A relapse will be a result ONLY of the lockdown, not the reopening. Otherwise the lockdown would have to remain forever... when it's already been too long.

This is nothing like the flu. More deaths in one month than the entire season of the flu, even with stay at home and other precautions.

As of now, we don't know what percentage of the population, if any, are immune to this virus. Certainly some people display symptoms more than others or act as carriers. Non-symptomatic displaying carriers wouldn't boost herd immunity. Unless I'm mistaken.

A choice that can dramatically and negatively affect every person in their family and group of friends.

I cant tell whether is is a joke or not, and that worries me

It's a joke

Guess its time for me to die then...