If the bottom panel is true: How many conservatives would be willing to implement the same solutions Japan did?

How did Japan achieve such fantastic results on this issue? Read more here!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10%3famp

For those who don’t like to follow links:

The Japanese model is, basically: Regulate, regulate, regulate, and ban handguns entirely. A small pool of guns (shotguns, air rifles) are available for those willing to undergo an entire day of training, and pass literacy and shooting tests (to 95% accuracy), a mental health evaluation in a hospital, and comprehensive background checks which involve interviews with friends and family members.

When you do that? Very little gun crime at all.

None of these measures are incompatible with the “well-regulated militia” requirement of the Second Amendment.

It’s a simple philosophy. Fewer guns in circulation, and only in the hands of the most responsible people, means fewer deaths by guns.

South Korea does something similar and achieves similar results.

If you’re intrigued now and want to read more about Japan’s approach:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10%3famp

they have a highly homogenized culture that reinforces common social values that contributes to lower crime rates in general, even if they did permit gun ownership they'd still likely have a much lower gun related crime rate. breakdown

Beat me too it, and better than I could say it also.

There was a program on PBS round the late 80s about the 10 safest countries in the world. Japan was one, as was Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Sweden and the USSR. They all were leaned homogeneous and with a common religion, the exception being the USSR in which political idealogy functioned as a religion, and people were taught they were the same, etc etc.
Witness the chaos that has wracked Russia since, nothing to bind them to the whole as was then, fragmentation along ethnic, religious, and class lines.

And not just ethnically similar, but family and social networks established over generations or even centuries. A more mobile society made of disparate people competing to establish themselves is bound to have more bumps, some ending in violence.

In 1977, a blackout tore NYC apart, with poorer people in slums who felt like outcasts really going bezerk, looting.
When another big blackout occurred in 2004, what happened was totally different. People who no longer felt so disenfranchised as they once had in the disintegrating city of yore plus I would suppose some of the effects of the unity that occurred after 9/11 witnessed folks hanging out in front of their houses and buildings, talking. The biggest concern was buying candles or batteries for flashlights before stores ran out.
So still a mix of peoples, still far from perfect, but more of a focus on our commonalities rather than our differences lent to a different atmosphere, a cultural shift.

Did you see my graph above? Here it is again, lightly edited

I crossed out Japan and even South Korea based on alleged "cultural differences" (even though the real laws and regulations I've described above surely play a role as well)

Now: What about these other countries? Especially Australia: another large, English-speaking country with lots of cultural diversity and a continental frontier history

Let me guess, You have a bunch of excuses
1. You think America will crumble without you.
2. Liberalism is banned in Japan.
3. Japan doesn't have a welfare program to fit your needs.
4. Japan doesn't believe in your climate change hoax.
5. You don't have no skills Japan or any country needs.

I don’t know Japanese, the culture is not welcoming to foreigners, I’m licensed to practice law here, and, above all, I just don’t want to.

I just think we can do better on this issue. And we can learn from other countries without having to move there.

And whatever happened to the concept of wanting to be the best in the world at everything we do?

Japan is racist... Got it.
You've never been, But you heard it from someone so you believe it. Baa, Sheep, Baa

I've been to Japan multiple times, Never encountered any racism or hate. Maybe they just aren't tolerant of libtards.

You're a liar, You aren't licensed to practice law, You're a law student, You've admitted it.
You can't even debate a simple Meme without getting wrecked, You're going to be chasing ambulances your whole failed career.

Stop thinking, It's clear you can't.

And whatever happened to the concept of wanting to be the best in the world at everything we do?
You libtards hate Trumps MAGA slogan so much, You attack anyone wearing a MAGA hat.

Japan and other East Asian countries are, in fact, super racist compared to us. They kinda all hate each other still over WWII.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-does-no-one-care-japanese-are-openly-racist-364129

And they impose severe restrictions on immigration, and shooting themselves in the foot while doing so since their birth rates are so low. Their society is aging rapidly and soon there won't be enough youngsters to pay taxes to support public pensions. Pretty big downsides in a culture that is otherwise admirable in many ways. They should learn from us on those issues!

I never said I was a "law student," lol, but if you think that being a student as opposed to a practicing lawyer somehow invalidates anything I say then believe whatever you want man

You're FOS KylieClown. Your links are cherry picked, Your argument is shit, And I see you're back to copying and pasting your argument.

You're a liar, You told Vagabond you're a law student.

Sure I'll believe you're a practicing lawyer, You are such a shitty lawyer, You spend your days embarrassing yourself on a Meme site instead of defending your clients... Totally believable.

Keep struggling KylieClown.

Cool, not sure who's even aware of the stream. Kyle hates it.

Probably saw me joking he was a failed student, since he claims to be a lawyer who even does pro bono work, and is married to a delightful woman who doesn't mind him obsessing over Kylie Minogue on this site 20hrs per day.

He threatened to contact Kylie's legal team to sue four of us for memeing his dear Kylie if we don't stop, calling it libel, and also the site for allowing it.

I went looking for the discussion, but he deleted the meme.
Here's a reference to it, there's a couple of others that mention in too on our stream deDickated to his Kylie:

imgflip.com/i/3pfez8

Yep... That's one of the Memes I saw. ROFL

Your images below are the definition of cherry-picked, lol. Japan has the lowest rates of homicide in the world

I can dispatch with your foolish arguments in my sleep it really doesn’t take that long

KylieClown: King of the downvoted comments on Imgflip

And you said you could dispatch me in your sleep. You claimed victory before the debate began.
Keep strutting KyliePigeon.

The entire page consisted of photos like that. I chose a random photo.
See for yourself, I know you won't.

https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+stabbings&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=ACYBGNSz91HJWaYtoM9bmCq8rJ1yUlV_xA:1582931836250&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjnlbbOsPXnAhVmnuAKHZbnACkQ_AUoA3oECBUQBQ&biw=1227&bih=564

It doesn't fit your libtarded narrative so you dismiss it. But you expect others to click your biased links. You really are a fool.

You couldn't dispatch a child fully awake. You are constantly wrecked by everyone, Your Memes get no likes, Your comments get downvoted more than any other user. Your arguments are so weak you have to copy & paste someone else' argument
And being the libtard you are you strut around thinking you won.
Keep struggling KylieClown.

chosanwan: Pigeon Chess grandmaster of ImgFlip

HAHAHA, you just replied to YOURSELF, and appropriately so.

Oh, the irony.

Better? That's subjective, a lower rate of violent crime does not make a country better. America has always been more violent than other 1st world countries, we were founded on violence, our civil war was one of the bloodiest wars in all of history...Tea tossed in the harbor, Wild West, Don't Tread on Me, the Colt Revolver, kicking ass in both world wars...yeah, your go***mn right we're a punchy bunch of mixed mutts and our allies sleep better at night for it, they won't admit out loud anymore, but secretly they're very grateful for it...just see what diplomatic outcry there'd be from European governments if we ever tried to close those bases...Shock and awe, baby! Shock and awe!...if you took away all our personally owned guns, we'd just have the highest rate of homicide of any 1st world country by knife or blunt object.

FUN FACT: Anime? Those big round eyes? Guess what inspired that.
Yup, like everything else in postwar Japan, it's an emulation of Amelicans.

And those other countries have been domesticated by America since the end of WWII. Ashamed of a more viruntly - and openly so - racist and colonial past, mistreatment of minorities, repression in general, their actions during war (yeah, the Nipponese were one kindly bunch) etc, has caused them to swing the other way in embarrassment.

Not that it disappeared. You think Australia is so sweet and mice? Tell that to an 'Abo' on a Friday night as drunken pub denizens chase him down to whomp his ass just for existing. While you're at it, find out how many years ago Australia ended its exterminaton campaighn against Aboriginals, and how some aspects of it aren't quite gone.

Yeah but in our defence drunken publicans out in the desert, because what you're saying is very rare to non-existent in the rest of Aussie, also bash women, homosexuals, or just about any easy prey as lone indigenous Australians.

Very rare because Australia's Aboriginal population is very rare.
And there was no gov't policy till 1972 was it? that was literally aimed at exterminating anyone else.
I mean damn, Mad Max has had as many (if not more) AMERICAN 'blacks' imported than it has had Aboriginals (2 glimpses in Fury Road), sheesh. It's like y'all ain't planning to have the only people that could surive in that world without air conditioning and bottled water and McD's around. Marauding Gay Punk Biker gang killers in chaps fighting for guzzaline, but no Abos! HAA!

Are you trying to sit there and tell me that America's treatment of their indigenous has been any better. When the crimeny English came over to Aus as when they landed in America they raped and killed the natives in all kinds of imaginative ways. The authority over here still sucks in my opinion it is a nanny state it has all kinds of issues but lots of great people too. I don't really see where your argument is going you should look close to home but I love America don't get me wrong. I really mean that I'm a complete freew**re for the US (gratuitous smile)

A-U-S-T-R-A-L-I-A is NOT the USA.

Buy it.

Read it.

Learn it.

Terra nova Australis is a myth. People lived there for 70,000 years. Know your history.

Seriously, is there not a single country in this pathetic World where people aren't so uninterested in what utterly boring loser wastes they are that they know, read, and care more about what happens in the USA than their own backyards?
I mean, I used to think at least the Brits, maybe, till I encountered a bunch on a majority UK site where, yup, they were totally absorbed by the USA also.

Anyways, I got stuff to do, ain't going to bless another bored member of the perfect world with our if-you-really-want-it-then-you-can-buy-it-with-your-own-money shoot-em-up tales to peel away the boredom from a too-comfy a life.

I think you are having this argument with someone else you spoke to about it before. I don't have any racism towards America. I've moved on as well. See you next time

And by the way as what the English did when they came to Conquest Australia was completely unforgivable as in many countries it was the diseases they brought with them that decimated the indigenous population. There is no extermination campaign against Aboriginals that I am aware of but you never know in this f***** up world.

Of course you're not aware of it, but I bet you can go on and on about them bloody Yanks and their racism, huh? I've had this convo with yous people before.

Skip the "They picked on me because I like pink" trip, when your families are broken apart, people forcibly sterilized, kids sent to far off boarding schools and adopted out to 'civilized' whites, forced to intermarry with whites to breed out the Abo, harrased by cops, and beat up by drunks on the weekend, oh, and used as slave labor a century after it ended in the US, then we'll talk about suffering.

Find me a Tazi Abo, I dare you.
Eh, don't bother, they got ENTIRELY wiped out (pew pew) ages ago.

I never talk about the racism in America. This is the first time I've had the conversation in ages. And I have never in my life compared the abuse in America to Australia. It is not my style I believe in the alliance between our countries and that's all.

There is no comparison between America and Australia in the racism stakes your country is rife with abhorrent bigotry and abuse that far outweighs here. However, it is a much bigger country and as a previous writer on this thread noted it is founded in so much violence and the same English heritage that saw the abuse and murder.

You don't know your history very well and it is embarrassing having this conversation with you. A lot of the convicts that were sent over here for the most ridiculous things like stealing a loaf of bread of course there would have been a bad element among them coming from putrid just-industrial England. Yeah, the English treated African slaves really well and racism is still so pronounced in your country even though African-Americans have come far in adversity no thanks to the white man. Find another argument.

Says something.

Can't recall saying it 2 minutes later.

Then continues by heaping on more of what supposedly wasn't said even though it's 2 comments above.

Takes another swig of Bosters B-Beer Bor BAussies.

Goes back to sleep on a $2000 emu skin couch.

You are very hostile towards Australia. Actually I was laying here on my thousands dollar couch reflecting on the fact that I had said it just moments before but it's still works because it's true I can't recall ever doing that before in my life which is the way I meant it before that time before I said I'd never said it.

And it's not an emu skin couch. I'll leave you guessing what the exterior covering is. But it's really soft and comfortable. Not from a dead animal.

On the gun issue in Australia it is difficult to get one. Gun crime is low as KylieFan's graph indicates. However, on the negative side, women are not even allowed to carry pepper spray in this country. You are not allowed to have any defensive weapon at all in public. Defending yourself is a borderline issue at court. I agree with Kylie's sentiments as the high-end of the Human propensity to be violent issue. At the low-end nanny statist control does no one any favours has we are not people anymore but just commoners under false royalty. The balance must be found I think it will take some time.

I was just further laying on my couch watching Batman v Superman and reflecting that I just came to stalk you for a bit of fun not to launch a tirade against America.

I meant the things I said as cold clinical analysis, I don't feel any derogatory feelings towards the US. Swear by the gods. So many countries have similar difficult pasts and if you look further back in history people have liberally slaughtered each other and worse in Conquest and even for entertainment. As well we have always suspected persecuted, abused, and all the rest wherever was the fashion or fear of the time.

When communicating with each other sometimes, I know personally, I might leave out a piece of how I see it unknowingly.

I was reading the popular modern book "Sapiens" recently by Dr. Harari and the contention that people have skipped ahead the evolutionary Cycles in what he describes as a Cognitive Revolution. This can seem to explain so many of the problems we have had since we systemically wiped out every other type of human kind beside Sapien and all these problems we have today that we are constantly working on.

That's how I see it at the moment. Not in racism or nationalistism but the cold facts and possible solutions. Even though all these issues are so personal. I have always loved superhero stuff and to me America is a superhero. This is not an a-ss kiss but how I feel, the person that wrote basic truths about the issues in your country.

Interesting pet theories as always: you’ve got a point, but the original topic was gun control here, and Japan has been doing that for centuries, long before Commodore Perry sailed his steamship into Edo Bay in 1853

You are about to witness me cite, of all sources, Conservapedia for this proposition. Japanese strict arms regulation dates back to General Hideyoshi’s “sword hunt” in 1588. https://www.conservapedia.com/Gun_Control_in_Japan

(It’s always fun to cite conservative sources because then these right-wingers can’t whine at you that your sources are biased. On this point, so-called “liberal” sources would say the same thing.)

The Japanese fascination with America can be traced back to that. They took up baseball, rapid industrialization, etc.

Yet Japan still has a culture all their own obviously. In addition to strict gun control, Japan’s post-war constitution is pacifist, so that is another thing they did not choose to emulate us on.

Oh and by “that” above I mean Perry’s diplomatic mission to Japan in 1853, not the sword hunt.

The Japanese who had up until that point regarded themselves as superior and pursued an isolationist policy, realized how far they were lagging behind the rest of the world. They “threw open their doors to Western technology” knowing that if they failed to do so, they would be dominated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration

What do you know — a country taking lessons from what other countries do. What a concept!

The problem is not guns. Mexico has very stringent gun laws making ownership next to impossible, yet over ten thousand people get murdered a year.
On the other hand Switzerland has very high gun ownership, but has very low gun murders.
In Japan the rate of guns used in crime is probably a high percentage of all guns in the country. In Switzerland the rate of guns used in crime as a percentage of all the guns in the country is extremely low.
If you took out Chicago Detroit and Baltimore out from the US figures, the US would rank very low.

Britain is seeing a big surge in knife attacks and wants to ban knives. Sweden wants to ban machetes.
The Rwandan genocide the 1994 saw almost 1,000,000 people killed, mostly by civilians with machete, not guns.

The murder/violence problem we have is just that.
The culture needs to be fixed so that violence is not the answer.

If guns are the cause of all these murders, why was there not one death when 20,000 to 30,000 people, mostly armed, showed up for a second amendment rally in Virginia?

I cheered the absence of gun violence at the Virginia rally. But that was just one day. Hopeful, I challenged gun owners across the country to keep it up for an entire year!

Sadly, folks got shot elsewhere in this country on the very next day.

As you will see in my other responses on this thread, Japan takes extraordinary steps to ensure that only the most responsible citizens own guns. And they’ve seen tremendous results. About 10 people die per year of guns in a country of 125+ million.

They take an aggressive approach that even bans handguns, which wouldn’t be permissible in this country under the SCOTUS decision D.C. v. Heller (2008), but many of Japan’s other regulations would be compliant with the Second Amendment.

The alleged crime waves you’re talking about in other countries just aren’t really borne out in the data — the U.S. is still far more dangerous.

And the final thing I’ll say is that gun laws on the books (Mexico) don’t mean anything if not properly enforced.

And I’ll give you *one* guess as to the country where many of those Mexican guns are imported from...

My “one” guess as to which country the cartels get their guns from: Mexico, where bribery and corruption are the norm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

From the article you posted:

“ However, most U.S. military grade weapons such as grenades and light anti-tank rockets are acquired by the cartels through the huge supply of arms left over from the wars in Central America and Asia. It has been reported that there have been 150,000 desertions from the Mexican army during 2003 to 2009. Stated another way, about one-eighth of the Mexican army deserts annually.[19] Many of these deserters take their government-issued automatic rifles with them while leaving.”

Thank you for making my point!

And yet!

It also proves my point that arms control in Mexico needs major work regardless of what the laws on the books say

what this really boils down to is this: good versus evil, moral versus immoral. Mexico has a morality problem, including deadly intimidation, that is exacerbated by a culture of bribery and corruption.
When the local police are routinely bought by the cartels and they openly shake down people, lawlessness reigns. Even normal commerce in some locales is under cartel control (i.e. protection racket). Journalists, police, judges and politicians are assassinated or go missing.

The American revolution was armed civilians resisting tyranny.

I say we do an experiment: let’s arm all the Mexican civilians and see what happens to the cartel.

Guns, like hammers and pencils (think Heath Ledger’s The Joker) are inanimate objects. It is only the intent of the user which determines if the outcome of its use is good or bad.

There are communities within the USA where the residents have no guns and the local law-enforcement carries no guns. Yet evil freely commits acts of violence and even murder frequently. These communities are filled with evil, for they are called prisons.

I’m of the belief that you’re on the side of good. But until evil is completely eliminated, good needs to be able to fight back.

P.S. These three images are from IMGFlip.com and I have no idea who posted them. But the credit is their’s.

KF, I wish you wouldn't maintain your apparent belief that if something works for another country or culture, it will absolutely work in the US. Why do you believe that?

See below chart where I crossed out Japan and South Korea based on alleged “cultural differences” raised by another memer

Take those two away, and you are still left to explain how a whole bunch of first-world countries representing a tremendously wide variety of cultures each managed to get their gun problem under control.

If American culture is just inherently more violent and bloodthirsty than other cultures, and for that reason regulating guns is futile, then I’d like to hear conservatives admit that.

But I don’t believe that myself.

I’ll do you one better and post a chart including homicides from not just knives, but all non-gun weapons (alongside gun homicides for comparison’s sake)

And not just from Japan: but a number of other comparable countries as well.

What does this show?

1. Homicide in Japan, regardless of weapon used, is exceptionally rare.

2. In the U.S., it’s exceptionally high, and overwhelmingly due to guns.

As far as the homicide rate in the US goes, does this include vehicular homicide? And is there a stat for homicides that are gang related and non-gang related?

And what is the source of the statistics?

I am saying it’s a violence problem, and your chart seems to prove it. If you look at the non-gun related homicide statistics for the US, it appears to be at least in the range of 1.7 per 100k population (3.6 to 5.3) on the graph. As far as I can tell that is more than the combined rate for every country except Finland and the Czech Republic.

I don’t see how taking guns away from responsible law biting citizens is going to change the issues we have with violence.
Have you looked at the statistics of how many crimes of violence are prevented or stopped because the victim or a bystander had a gun?