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9 ups, 1y,
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183 people arrested and charged with arson.

It does not matter if its half a world away, or not - the whole western world (EU,US,CA,AU,NZ) is suffering from a mental disorder called Extinction Rebelion. A-holes down-under are climbing and glueing themselves to all kinds of shit.
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2 ups, 1y,
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Extinction Rebellion's tactics have nothing to do with this as far as I know -- if evidence emerges that they lit these fires, I'll change my mind and readily consider them human scum, but I've seen nothing of the sort.

To the extent humans caused this, it appears the charges are over dumb careless shit like throwing cigarettes on the ground. Even then it would not have gotten this out of control but for the unprecedented hot & dry season.
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5 ups, 1y,
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Extinction Rebellion's tactics have nothing to do with this as far as I know.

So you don't know shit, But you didn't let your lack of knowledge stop you from chiming in.
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2 ups, 1y,
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Show me evidence to counter it wasn't extinction rebellion, Dummy.
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1 up, 1y,
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You must not understand the concept of burden of proof.

—Rossoya mentioned Extinction Rebellion and, in context, his comment implied they may have been responsible for setting fires.
—I said as far as I know, their tactics have nothing to do with these fires. (Because none of the sources I’ve read on these wildfires have said that they were responsible.)
—You called me dumb for saying that.
—Okay, now ball’s in your court to counter my assertion that there’s no evidence that Extinction Rebellion was responsible. Otherwise, my statement stands. Put up with the evidence or shut up.

(You could say that in support of my proposition, I cite every single article written about the Australian wildfires that doesn’t claim that Extinction Rebellion was responsible. Which is all of them, to my knowledge.)
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3 ups, 1y,
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You have absolutely no proof the Australian fires were not caused by extinction rebellion. Keep saying as far as you know repeating you don't actually know.
You are dumb, You have proven your comments are not your own, You copy and paste what someone else says.

The ball will stay in your court until you have undeniable evidence that the Op's Meme is inaccurate.

ROFL (You could say that in support of my proposition) It's position dumbass,
More proof you are dumb. Now blame auto correct/spell for your own stupidity.

The burden of proof is on you. You have to prove the Meme is false. You're the one saying it is false. You must not understand the concept of burden of proof. It's why you keep babbling.
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1 up, 1y,
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That's not how burden of proof works.

I can't make a meme claiming you're a terrorist who supports ISIS and have traveled to Syria every single year to chop off heads of Americans, and then tell you that you have the burden of disproving every single point

Tossing out unsupported allegations with no proof whatsover is intellectually dishonest. The burden remains with the person making the claim. Not with me for asking for proof.
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1 up, 1y,
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3 ups, 1y
[image deleted]Extinction Rebellion has been listed an extremist organisation in the UK whose methods need to be confronted.
The anarchist environmentalist protest group is seeking the breakdown of liberal democracy, the established civil order and the rule of law.
This new form of extremism needs to be tackled head on by the police, Ministers, politicians and the Commission for Countering Extremism that should ensure that far left, anarchist and environmentalist extremists are sufficiently recognised and challenged within a wider national extremism strategy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/16/extinction-rebellion-has-convinced-followers-tactics-honourable/
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0 ups, 1y,
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Yes it is fool

Here's a Meme I made of you whining over a dead terrorist.
You didn't even try to refute my Meme.
Like every other libtard you limped off one Meme and crawled onto another and started whining all over again.

You are intellectually dishonest. 90% of what you say is copied from someone else.
1 up, 1y
More unsupported allegations, this time tremendously off-topic. That meme is so absurd it barely merits a response

I don't think Soleimani's a hero. But I do think Trump was out of line assassinating him without congressional approval when he hasn't presented offered tangible proof that Soleimani was an imminent threat.

If Soleimani was as bad a terrorist as you guys say he is, then it should be easy to show he was actively plotting an attack to kill Americans and killing him saved real lives. But: they haven't done that yet.

In fact, they are now on to an even more convoluted argument that the 2001 AUMF against Al-Qaeda somehow justifies this killing of a top Iranian official 18 years later.

It's absurd and an obvious after-the-fact grasping at straws.
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3 ups, 1y,
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/24-australians-arrested-deliberately-setting-fires-season/story?id=68108272
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3 ups, 1y,
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It’s gone down from 183 to 24, I see. With still 0 convictions as far as I know

And what do they mean by “deliberately” exactly? Deliberately started a campfire? Deliberately tossed a cigarette on the ground? Or deliberately took a blowtorch to an entire field or forest with the specific intent of burning Australia to the ground in an effort to somehow “prove” climate change? (As depicted in OP’s meme?)

Take a look at the map I posted below and tell me if you think 24 people are capable of setting an entire continent ablaze like that without significant assistance from natural conditions

Your theory still don’t make any kind of sense, pardner.
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3 ups, 1y,
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2 ups, 1y,
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https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2020/jan/10/facebook-posts/those-claims-about-nearly-200-arrested-arson-austr/

1. Those numbers discussed by the two posters above come from the same source article originally published by NSW government. One of them (24) read carefully, the other (183) did not. 183 as well has been the figure more often picked up and falsely reported by others here on ImgFlip as the arrested figure. It’s not. I was drawing attention to that discrepancy.

2. Yes, the criminal process isn’t instant. My point is this: Why are so many people here so eager to attribute the blame? Could it be they looking for a scapegoat? Until more tangible evidence surfaces of how many actually deliberately set fires (and how), the observation that 2019 was Australia’s hottest and driest year ever better fits the facts.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2019-2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/amp/
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4 ups, 1y,
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1 up, 1y,
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They're quoting from the same story. It does not matter that two different people said it.

The second commenter repeated the story more accurately than the first.

It does not make me a propagandist to point any of this out.
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0 ups, 1y,
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1 up, 1y
The "183 arrests" figure has been (inaccurately) quoted so widely already that of course I was going to make a point about it.

Again, ross09ya (commenter #1) above said this: "183 people arrested and charged with arson."
--No, that figure wasn't merely used in "a different context." That statement was just flat-out wrong.

Then Memepers (commenter #2) rolled around and quoted a story that included the accurate 24 arrests figure -- he didn't actually say anything about it other than post the link. I read and remarked how it contradicted a falsehood made above. It was not wrong for me to do so.

You let so much shit slide from your own side and get on my case about the smallest little things.
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0 ups, 1y,
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1 up, 1y
Excuse me for breezing through your lessons on rhetoric in light of the following:

--There's a comment with a blatant, readily disproven falsehood above -- "183 people arrested and charged with arson." -- that has somehow garnered 10 upvotes, and you've said nothing about it.

--I have been accused ITT of "copy-pasting" other sources a dozen times or more without a single demonstration of proof of plagiarism. Which they can't prove, because I didn't.

--Multiple claims from folks that Extinction Rebellion was responsible for these wildfires without citing a single source that states as such. I have asked them to substantiate this assertion, and they turn around and say it is in fact my burden to *disprove* this claim. You know that is not how the burden of proof works.

--I've been repeatedly accused of lying (and even "lying about lying," lol) without a single demonstration of how anything I've said is false.

I understand and expect this kind of push-back when airing liberal opinions in the politics stream. But in light of these whopping abuses of rhetoric coming from the right-wingers here I cannot conclude that your nitpicking at me is a demonstration of being on my side.
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4 ups, 1y
It’s gone down from 183 to 24, I see. With still 0 convictions as far as I know.

Only a libtard would pretend they care about fires in Australia, But say no one has been convicted of arson as a talking point.

And what do they mean by “deliberately” exactly?

You don't know the answer to your own question So you move the goalposts.
"Deliberately started a campfire? Deliberately tossed a cigarette on the ground? Or deliberately took a blowtorch to an entire field or forest with the specific intent of burning Australia to the ground in an effort to somehow “prove” climate change? (As depicted in OP’s meme?)"

KF struggling without copied and pasted talking points.
You don't know the answers to your own nonsensical rambling, But you say the OP's Meme is wrong.
You posted the map as a prop when you chimed in without knowing what you were talking about.

So you're admitting at least 24 people started fires, But blame the other fires on climate change caused by morons half a world away.

Your theory don’t make any kind of sense, pardner. Because it's not your theory,
It's talking points you copied and pasted from liberal propaganda sites.
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6 ups, 1y,
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Don't know their reasons, but according to the Australian government, over 100 charged so far with deliberately starting fires. And considering that climate change "wokeness" has turned into a cult for so many people, it would be a statistical surprise if there aren't at least a few climate change fanatics among the charged.

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/news_article?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZWJpenByZC5wb2xpY2UubnN3Lmdvdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGODIyNjQuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D
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5 ups, 1y,
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I didn't feel it was arson until I saw the report. But you do realize fires caused by nature is very natural and have happened time and time again throughout history? Evidence of fires -some which encompassed spaces as big as the state of Texas- are recorded to have occurred way back in the days of the dinosaurs.

Even if yes, wildfires are inconvenient and hazardous to humans and other life forms, they are a natural and reoccurring part of life on Earth. It is the epitome of arrogance to think we alone control the environment. Just like climate changes, such renewals in nature will continue even when the human species is no more.
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3 ups, 1y,
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Wildfires start for all sorts of reasons, But you had to look up the causes on Wikipedia to keep up the illusion that you know what the hell you are talking about.

Shall I point out where you stop pretending, And you paste in Wikipedia.

Using Wikipedia and other sources are acceptable, Most people use it to prove their point when someone calls them out.
You use it as filler in your arguments. It really is sad and pathetic.
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2 ups, 1y,
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CCPS=(Climate change propaganda source) KF =KylieFan

(KF) Wildfires start for all sorts of reasons, (CCPS) human and otherwise. (KylieFan) They've never been this bad in Australia's recorded history. (CCPS) Australia has also not been as hot or as dry as 2019 in its recorded history.

(KF) It is not hard to put two and two together this time.

(KF) No, (CCPS) we do not solely control the environment, but the consumption habits of 7.7 billion humans are making their presence felt in many ways, from strip-mined mountains, to cut-down forests, to plastic in the oceans, to higher greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.

It's hilarious watching you pretend you know what you are talking about when you have to copy and paste your replies. I can spot it with ease.
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1 up, 1y,
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Lol I didn’t copy-paste any of that, what makes you think I did?

Be a big boy and prove my plagiarism if so
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1 up, 1y,
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You're a liar Kylie, I've proven over and over that the majority of your comments are copied and pasted.
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1 up, 1y,
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You have not proven it a single time. Proof would be citing the link to the article where I allegedly copy-pasted from.

You haven't done that and you can't because I didn't do that.
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1 up, 1y
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1 up, 1y,
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Yes I have proven it. I'm not going to waste my time scouring the net for the sources you plagiarized.

You are lying, You constantly do that. I've pointed out where you insert yourself and the plagiarism.

Now answer the questions I presented to you.

I know you won't, It destroys your libtarded climate change narrative and proves your a hypocrite.
2 ups, 1y
1 up, 1y
Calling something plagiarism without proof does not prove it's plagiarism. I am glad you have apparently decided not to waste your time proving something that you know you can't prove, but a little more intellectual honesty from you would be appreciated.

I answered your questions below already, lol. It took me about 3 minutes of research to find the answer. Try to keep up.
1 up, 1y
Dude. If you think s/he copy and pasted, it's a 5-second Google search to prove you're right.

Unfortunately for you, it's a search that reveals there is exactly one place on the entire internet those words appear, in that order - here. I even went a little further to only search for the part that seemed the most copy and paste-y to me ("the consumption habits of 7.7 billion humans are making their presence felt"), and it only shows up on one page - this one. Hell, if you take the quotes away it doesn't yield any other page where more than three of them line up.

You made an assumption, and you were wrong. Repeating the assumption as though it were correct does not make it so, no matter how many times you repeat it. Fess up and try actually contributing to what could have been a constructive debate.
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1 up, 1y
Your a liar and a fool for thinking anyone believes anything you say, Deny it all you want, I know you're a liar, You know you're a liar, You're lying about lying.
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1 up, 1y,
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Summer 2019 in Australia began on Sunday, December 1
and ends on Saturday, February 29, 2020

Keep coping and pasting your argument you get from your liberal sources to keep up the illusion that you know what you're talking about.

I keep saying you are retarded. You keep proving you are retarded.
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1 up, 1y,
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LOL “summer.” Yeah, I’m well aware it’s summer down there when it’s winter up here.

The point is the entire year of 2019 smashed records for being both hot and dry.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2019-2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/amp/
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0 ups, 1y,
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So which climate change lie is it, We're all going to drown from rising sea levels OR are we all going to burn alive from record breaking dryness and heat?

The 2019 records were smashed? Into how many pieces?

You are so mentally stunted you can't even keep the current climate change narrative straight.

https://me.me/i/look-motherf**ker-ryan-even-i-know-thats-retarded-when-you-77ef890900e446e9acd7d55230f18e17
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1 up, 1y,
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What if I told you: Sea levels could rise by six feet (or more) and wildfires could still get worse. We're not all going to drown, because the vast majority of the world's land is more than six feet above sea level. A rise that large would still put a lot of coastal developments at much greater risk of flooding if not completely underwater.

Use your brain man.
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0 ups, 1y
You would be telling me you're an indoctrinated libtard copying and pasting talking points from libtarded Climate change sites.

Keep whining Kylie. I'm bored of embarrassing you.

If conservatives needed any proof libtards can't think for themselves, You and your copied and pasted comments are all the proof we were looking for.
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1 up, 1y,
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ROFL You're pasting what you read in an article and passing it off as your own, After you admitted you know nothing about the fires in Australia.

You really are retarded.
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1 up, 1y,
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You mistake my verbal caution when I employ phrases like “as far as I know” for actual ignorance

Let’s break this down.

—I said, “as far as I know,” Extinction Rebellion is not responsible for any of this.
—You laughed at that.
—Okay: then prove to me that Extinction Rebellion had a hand in this. Otherwise, my statement stands.

I don’t spout dubious claims from a position of intellectual certainty as if I know what I’m talking about the way you do.
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1 up, 1y,
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There you go again, Pretending to be intelligent by using words you copied from a thesaurus.

Let’s break this down.
You said “as far as I know, Admitting you don't actually know.
You can't prove to me that extinction rebellion didn't have a hand in this. So your statement is conjecture, And it has no legs.

Your claims are your opinions. There is absolutely no intellectual certainty on your behalf.
Merely talking points you copied and pasted.
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1 up, 1y,
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I say “as far as I know,” because I haven’t read literally every article written about the Australian bushfires. And neither have you.

If any article out there claims Extinction Rebellion was actually responsible, it should not be that difficult for you to prove with a quick Google search. Cite something and we can talk about it. Otherwise my statement stands.
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1 up, 1y
I have an idea.. Spend a few hours searching the net powered by fossil fuels, Causing climate change, Until you find out for certain if extinction Rebellion was actually responsible.
Until then, You're a clown whining on a Meme site.

Your statement doesn't stand until you can prove it with facts. Without facts your statement is your opinion.
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6 ups, 1y
They must be dems then.
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1 up, 1y,
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Now post a chart showing Americas hamburger consumption caused the Australian fires.
Say my automobiles caused a fire on the other side of the world. It's hilarious watching you libtards whine on every Meme that triggers you.
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1 up, 1y,
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2019-2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/amp/

2019 was Australia’s hottest *and* driest year ever. This article says it and many others do too, including this one which has a couple nice charts illustrating this if you care to read.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.abc.net.au/article/11837312

Many are saying the *reason* 2019 was hotter and drier than ever before is because of climate change. Got a better theory?

And how might auto or methane emissions in the Northern Hemisphere, or anywhere else on earth, affect climate in the Southern Hemisphere? Start here.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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1 up, 1y,
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I'll make a deal with you. I'll scream the end of the world is nigh with your mentally challenged ass,
If you answer these simple questions a child could answer.

1; What powered the factory that created the device you are whining on?
2; What powers the device you are whining on?
3; What powers the internet you are using to post your propaganda links?
4;What powers the site you are whining on?
5; Who ties your shoes for you?

Something tells me you are going to say
1; Potato
2; You'll admit you're using electricity powered fossil fuels that causes your imaginary climate change.
3; You'll ignore the questions.
4; You'll Limp off this Meme
5; You'll crawl onto another Meme that triggers you and copy and paste talking points written by someone else.
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0 ups, 1y,
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I'll do you one better and answer all of your questions in one single graph that goes all the way back to 1950 to show how U.S. energy consumption has changed over time.

Coal is on the decline. Natural gas and renewables are on the rise. That trajectory should continue, and I expect it to.

We should increase the makeup of our energy consumption with renewables so we don't have to rely so much on fossil fuels.
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1 up, 1y,
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You keep proving you're a clown.

You would have been better off answering my questions.
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1 up, 1y,
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No — global warming continues because even though coal usage is going down in the U.S., plenty of other sources of CO2 emissions are going up worldwide.

(Not to mention other greenhouse gases which this chart doesn’t even list.)
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0 ups, 1y,
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Oh look, The clown keeps posting graphs made by someone else, Because he/she/it is too weak to answer questions a child could answer.

Hilarious.
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1 up, 1y,
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I posted a single chart that in fact answered all your questions 1-4 in one fell swoop, except the sarcastic shoe-tying one, and even went above and beyond by answering all those questions back to 1950.

Data is powerful. But you'd rather I operate in a fact-free universe. Well, I won't.

If you want to introduce any evidence that rebuts any claim I made, be my guest. Or you can continue with the ad hominems. Your choice.
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0 ups, 1y,
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You're a liar Kylie. I'll prove it again

Point it out exactly on your chart where it lists the name KYLIEFAN_89 and the power sources.

1; What powered the factory that created the device you are whining on?
2; What powers the device you are whining on?
3; What powers the internet you are using to post your propaganda links?
4;What powers the site you are whining on?
5; Who ties your shoes for you?

I've looked over your entire chart and I don't see where it says what Kyliefan_89 uses in my questions.
1 up, 1y
1-4. All answered, basically, by my chart which shows how everyone's devices are powered in the U.S. and have been powered since 1950.
5. Myself.
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0 ups, 1y
I didn't ask how everyone's devices have been powered since the 50's.

I specifically asked you to answer in your own words...
1; What powered the factory that created the device you are whining on?
2; What powers the device you are whining on?
3; What powers the internet you are using to post your propaganda links?
4;What powers the site you are whining on?
5; Who ties your shoes for you?

It is so easy to prove you're the clown I say you are, You do all the work for me.
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0 ups, 1y
You posted a chart that answered non of my questions.

You refuse to answer my questions because it destroys your libtard narrative.

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0 ups, 1y,
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You posted a graph made by someone else. Shocker. You keep proving your answers are not your own.
You refused to answer my questions in your own words. I know why.
You relied on what someone else said to answer for you. The same way you let someone else answer for you with your copied and pasted responses.

Keep struggling Kylie.
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1 up, 1y
I post graphs produced my experts who study and track these issues. And: I also answer in my own words. I haven't copied and pasted a single bit of text in this entire debate.

If you still think it's all propaganda: okay, cite me the real evidence that I am missing.

I've extended way more intellectual courtesy to you than you're offering.
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1 up, 1y,
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You're using a smart phone or PC built in factories that use fossil fuels to whine on a Meme site,That uses electricity powered by fossil fuels. You're surfing the net powered by fossil fuels to lecture others about climate change.

You're a clown Kylie.
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1 up, 1y,
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Some of that pollution is economically beneficial, some of it isn't. I never claimed 7.7 billion humans in a 21st-century economy could inhabit the earth without polluting it whatsoever.

A mechanism like a carbon tax would help us sort out which pollution should go and which pollution should stay.
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1 up, 1y,
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You're a plagiarizing retard posting links to propaganda sites, Kylie. You have absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
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1 up, 1y,
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My viewpoints are grounded in real-world sources and data. You just make stuff up out of thin air.

I post links here in order to re-direct the conversation back into the realm of reality. You keep trying to pull it back onto your turf of invented nonsense and ad hominem attacks

Your trollish efforts are starting to not be worth my time anymore.
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1 up, 1y,
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Your viewpoints are copied and pasted from propaganda sites.
You have absolutely no credibility, You have no grasp on reality.

Your trollish efforts have been downvoted to low rated status meaning they aren't worth anyone's time
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1 up, 1y
It’s not propaganda and I’m not copy-pasting.

My comments get downvoted because this is an overwhelmingly right-wing stream.

Whether someone hits the up or down button has no bearing on reality.
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0 ups, 1y
Answer these simple questions in your owns words Kylie.
Stop relying on the internet to answer for you. You keep pretending you are intelligent, Prove it.
A child can answer these questions, But you refuse. It is Very telling.

1; What powered the factory that created the device you are whining on?
2; What powers the device you are whining on?
3; What powers the internet you are using to post your propaganda links?
4;What powers the site you are whining on?
5; Who ties your shoes for you?

Something tells me you are going to say
1; Potato
2; You'll admit you're using electricity powered fossil fuels that causes your imaginary climate change.
3; You'll ignore the questions.
4; You'll Limp off this Meme
5; You'll crawl onto another Meme that triggers you and copy and paste talking points written by someone else.
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