Equal opportunity identity politics

What's the democrat party for you, big guy?

Nah: the irony is when you guys pretend that Democrats are the only ones who play identity politics.

I'm not saying identity politics is bad (although I do think that). I'm saying everyone does it as a matter of political expediency, and Republicans under Trump have ramped it up to 11.

There is not a single political party you can support that does not dabble in identity politics to some degree -- not even the Libertarians.

No. No party comes close to the democrat party when it comes to identity politics.

Define identity politics vs. real politics

Seeing everything through the lense of identity. If you look at the squad, you'll see it amplified. I think you know what real politics is. The same way you have people saying that the democrat nominee shouldn't be a white male. I'm not saying that there aren't people on the right out of the government that don't also focus on identity politics but it's far more rampant in the dnc than the gop.

I guess I would define “Real politics” as issues like healthcare, taxes, and foreign policy

And “Identity politics” as empty flattering of certain groups or demonizing of other groups

And by my definition, Trump’s style is all about identity politics and very light on substance.

There can be some overlap between those categories, but I think when Trump loudly rails (for example) against refugees and immigrants and vows to “build that wall”... I file that under the heading of “white identity politics.” It’s fundamentally a primal scream of rage against people who are different from white native-born Americans and therefore scary, and should not be mistaken for coherent statements of actual policy. Although it of course gets translated into that in some way by virtue of him being president.

This is what motivates Trump voters. Not the standard GOP platform, which all the other 2016 GOP primary candidates offered, and which were roundly rejected by the voters one by one.

If you actually look into it, illegal aliens actually impact the black community a great deal. There was a lawsuit brought by black people in CA because they couldn't get jobs because they don't speak Spanish. I honestly believe Trump thinks ALL Americans should come first and good on him for that.

I seriously think you underestimate the effect of Hillary Clinton on Trump voters decision. It's pretty dishonest to think that's what motivated ALL Trump voters.

Oh, I get that. I didn’t like HRC at all and I cheered internally when he beat her. I thought there was a chance Trump really could turn over a new leaf in American politics in a positive way. Turns out, he did... in a negative one.

I don’t think the specter of HRC, whatever it is (her political career is over, despite the protestations of many memes here), remains much of a valid excuse for the people who continue to support Trump to this very day over any other conceivable Democratic candidate. Which appears to be most of his supporters, based on polling data and my totally unscientific perusal of the Trumpist memes here.

There was a certain support for Tulsi, even with her identity politics (Reperations etc) but, like Bernie, the dnc is basically blacklisting her. Because she's an anti interventionalist.

Wait til early 2020 before you say there's no chance of Hil running.

Hillary did have an effect because of her bad politics. You don't know how many people that voted for him because of that wouldn't vote for a different Republican or rational Democrat... Which there is none, really.

Ah yes, Tulsi... the Democrat most favored by non-Democrats. I mean I kind of like her when she speaks passionately against “forever wars” but not really on any other issue. She is an easily-agitated and thin-skinned hothead, much like Trump, and just not ready for the limelight.

Really? No rational Democrats at all? And you’re a Trump supporter, right? — do you find him to be rational?

Well, all the candidates at the democrat debate raised their hands when it was asked if illegal aliens shouldn't be penalized for illegally crossing the border. Something along those lines. Also that illegal should get free healthcare being another example from that debate.

No, she owned Kamala in the debate. She also f**ked up Hillary on Twitter. She's a badass. True, I don't agree with everything but I respect the hell out of her.

Compared to these dem candidates? F**k yeah.

In the probable event that you ask me to define what exactly I mean by "right-wing identity politics" first, well, here's a start

What survey is that?

An informal and totally unscientific one based on 6 weeks’ worth of perusal of conservative memes on the politics stream

Identity politics for *Americans*

He certainly does love to pit "Americans" against imagined enemies and the rest of the world.

Not all Americans agree that we are that put-upon by foreigners.

Mmm no. I like Trump because he lowered taxes for everyone, got everyone employed, and made good trade deals for everyone.

These are some of the better reasons to support Trump. I'd add the effect of the trade deals is highly debatable, and the tax cuts feel good now but they really just ripped a huge hole in our budget deficit because they were not accompanied by spending cuts, so we'll be paying for them later.

But: these priorities would have been part of any standard Republican presidential agenda. Trump is different. Why did he trounce all his competitors in the 2016 GOP primaries? He has embraced white identity politics unlike any President ever seen before. And this is what really draws his legions of fans.

Just read Trump’s disturbingly casual sliming of millions of political opponents in this speech he gave to a bunch of teens a few months ago. This is the same speech in which he claimed that Article II of the Constitution let’s him do “whatever he wants.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-usas-teen-student-action-summit-2019/

This speech didn’t even hit the news, as I recall. Bloodthirsty remarks like these from our President are just part of the air we breathe now.

How about, we actually like our President to be for our country! AMERICA FIRST! Seems like a fresh new idea!

Trump is for Trump. Nobody else. He'd even throw his own kids under the bus if he deemed it necessary.

You are lying more than usual today. Even Hilldawg complimented Trump for his parenting during the debates.

But according to you she lies a lot too, so...

But in all honesty, for all his faults, I think he really loves his kids and are proud of them. He even told Jr to cool it down on twitter haha

Anyone who reads that knows you suffer from TDS bad! Your little lefty brain hurt much?