Kaitlin Bennett

Then she would be making a horrible choice for someone who can't speak out for themselves. Protecting yourself is a far cry from killing another human being.

That's retarded. You can argue that it's not murder, because of the current law, but not killing? I don't think so.

So if I lived with a 1 yo in the middle of a vast forest, with no one around for miles, it's not killing if I bash it's head against a tree because it couldn't survive on it's own?

No, to answer your hypo: because that 1-year-old person has been born and is therefore a person.

You ignored my single point.

No, I don't think it's a killing.

Well, when you kill something, it dies. Even OM wouldn't deny that.

This is getting kind of circular and I hate to have to resort to the dictionary, but...

--death /deTH/ noun
--the action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.

You can't be killed, or die, if you're not a person. And for me, and the U.S. government, you are not a person until you are born.

Sometimes my memes may be testy but don't take that for disrespect.

Anything that has life can be killed.

Nothing to do with personhood.

I've made my point. I'm not big on debating abortion so we can agree to disagree but I hope you think about what I'm saying. Murder is a legal term, unlike killing.

--Fetal viability or foetal viability is the ability of a fetus to survive outside the uterus.
--The United States Supreme Court stated in Roe v. Wade (1973) that viability (i.e., the "interim point at which the fetus becomes ... potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid") "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks." The 28-week definition became part of the "trimester framework" marking the point at which the "compelling state interest" (under the doctrine of strict scrutiny) in preserving potential life became possibly controlling, permitting states to freely regulate and even ban abortion after the 28th week.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_viability

I see no reason to dispute the Roe Court's definition of viability. Why would this be different from pro-choice person to person?

So how come if a pregnant woman is killed you are charged with two murders? Answer that one genius.

Viable?

Do you really believe the bullshit you google and spee?

if you compare abortion to murder, you're essentially doing the same as the democrats who compare trump to hitler

We’re not talking about murder here, we’re talking about a voluntary decision by the mother herself

I think the logical reason for the double-murder charge is that it’s assumed in those instances that the mother does intend to carry her child to term.

Whatever the reason for it, it does not have all that much to do with abortion.

No, it's a separate dna, totally separate from the mother. Being attached, not literally part of the mother's body. The womb is part of the mother's body, but the "fetus" is not. Simple biology.

It's not that simple, or we'd all be agreeing on it.

These issues are difficult -- but the idea of defining abortion as murder and consequently throwing hundreds of thousands if not millions of women (many of them mothers) in jail for a long time is impossible for me to countenance.

61% of Americans agree with me. https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/ You guys appear to be a majority on the ImgFlip politics stream, but not in the real world.

Final thought for now: The Republican Party is going to keep incrementally agitating for greater restrictions but is never going to ban abortion outright. Instead they are content to keep the issue dangling as a vote-getter. If the GOP as a whole were truly motivated by the abortion issue as much as you guys think, then a thrice-married sexual libertine from New York like Trump would not have won the 2016 GOP nom.

I guess you think I'm a Republican. Any politician that is pro abortion I do not support. However, there are individuals who may support some forms of abortions, but I agree with everything else. I will never fully agree with any politician.

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I'm just describing and critiquing attitudes of the Republican Party, whether you are one or not.

The GOP is the only major party in America that advocates abortion restrictions. I stopped following the Libertarian Party platform on this awhile ago, but last I tuned in they were divided on this issue and I reckon they still are since there are liberty-based arguments both ways.

You try to twist every meme you see into a pro abortion debate. Are you that fascinated by killing babies? The answer is that the fetus has a completely unique DNA which makes it a separate human and it should not be a choice to kill it.

OP meme is deliberately repurposing and distorting pro-abortion language and the image depicts a college-age woman

It invites an abortion debate

I don’t do this in other memes

Okay kid, here is your homework assignment.

Ask your mommy why she didn’t abort you. Why she didn’t have you forcibly removed from her bloody womb and see you kicking and struggling until they severed your spinal cord and watch you die then throw you in the trash.
Because you weren’t viable.

Ask her if it was worth the cost.
If YOU were worth the cost.
The cost of the hospital bills
The cost of feeding and housing you
The physical cost of lost sleep and labor wiping your ass and feeding you.
The cost of day care.
The cost of interrupted sleep, meals, work, and social events.
The cost of her independent life for 18+ years.

Ask her why she chose the hard right instead of the easy wrong.

Ask her if she made the right choice

Ask her if she had a rewind, would she have you removed from her and killed. For her convenience.

Or did she all of the sacrifices and pain raising you were worth it.

If she says yes, ask her to explain

If she says no, what are you going to do?

Too bad you weren’t aborted

abortion bad and cause trauma. until i meet libtard online. then i wished it happen

And what if attitudes of the U.S. government, whose position on abortion I merely echo?

And the majority of Americans who think just the same as me on this issue?

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

You echo because you are a parrot.
The US government? Yeah, stellar record. Indians, Negroes, Japanese, Chinese...all abused by the US government, that’s just for starters.

Majority opinion doesn’t make it right.
See Germany, Japan, Italy 1930-45.

The problem with you is that you think you know more than you do. Zero life experience.

You have been molded by liberal teachers, media, social media, and google.

When I cite the attitudes of the U.S. government, I am only echoing the cumulative judgment of thousands of legislators and hundreds and hundreds of court cases that have had to grapple with this very issue.

It is not a perfect source, since representative democracies are fallible, but it is far better grounding for my argument than anything you guys have brought to the table yet

Political situations in other countries 80-90 years ago that were not even democracies don’t have much to do with this

opinions, regardless of the number, are not facts

Neither are your opinions

and yet you post a link to an article based on opinions.

You really don't get it do you?

You haven't posted a link to anything

which is why I don't claim opinions as facts.

Did I claim an opinion as a fact anywhere here?

Here is the attention you so desperately seek.

Okay kid, here is your homework assignment.

Ask your mommy why she didn’t abort you. Why she didn’t have you forcibly removed from her bloody womb and see you kicking and struggling until they severed your spinal cord and watch you die then throw you in the trash.
Because you weren’t viable.

Ask her if it was worth the cost.
If YOU were worth the cost.
The cost of the hospital bills
The cost of feeding and housing you
The physical cost of lost sleep and labor wiping your ass and feeding you.
The cost of day care.
The cost of interrupted sleep, meals, work, and social events.
The cost of her independent life for 18+ years.

Ask her why she chose the hard right instead of the easy wrong.

Ask her if she made the right choice

Ask her if she had a rewind, would she have you removed from her and killed. For her convenience.

Or did she all of the sacrifices and pain raising you were worth it.

If she says yes, ask her to explain

If she says no, what are you going to do?

I'm thankful to my mom for raising me, and I'm aware it cost her a lot of money and time that I try to pay back by showing her love in any way I can.

Other than that I reject this homework assignment

It is totally irrelevant. Women get to make the call when it comes to their wombs: not me, and not you.

And if we followed your approach, then we'd have millions of women (many of them mothers) behind bars.

Ask her.

What, are you scared of the answer?

No, I know well what the answer would be, it's just that it's irrelevant and the principle of the thing that you don't get to tell me what to do.

Quit deflecting. Millions behind bars?
Ask her keyboard kommando. Pop out your little nuts and ask.

Millions behind bars is what re-defining abortion as murder would entail. Not to mention more dead women from botched illegal back-alley abortions.

Nice deflection.
No stomach for a face to face with mom eh?
I figured. Hiding behind the ether and trolling googly crap is what makes you feel good about yourself

So you think that outlawing abortion s would have zero effect on the number of women who choose to get pregnant? Who don't use protection because they know they can resort to abortion?

Irrelevant concerns to me: because I do not view abortion as a killing, as explained above, or even a "necessary evil" to be tolerated but minimized. Abortion is not fun times. But: it is an absolute right women have by virtue of owning their own wombs. Up until, at least, the point of fetal viability.

I'll say this: If you've ever been close with a female friend or a life partner who has gotten an abortion you'll quickly realize this: No girl *wants* to get an abortion. Even when the decision is clear, it is an emotionally wrenching process. The medical process itself can be painful and takes you out of commission for awhile. Many states' laws throw in unnecessary roadblocks like a "waiting period" of, say, 72 hours which results in needing a second extraneous visit to the doctor. For many women, they have to travel hours and hours to find the nearest abortion clinic.

Knowing all this, the vast majority of girls would simply opt to use a condom or other prophylactic if they were not trying to become pregnant. But: girls are fallible human beings like the rest of us, and sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes birth control methods fail. It does not make sense to be punitive.