This is why we have the electoral college

So, because it's not stacked 10 stories high and packed with ahole city dwellers then NOBODY lives there and their vote shouldnt be counted? I mean we have the electoral college to even out the land mass vs population curve....

Their vote should be counted.. but one man's vote being worth more than another seems un-American.

doesn't say "we the oil execs" either, but here we are

eyy glad someone's speaking for the establishment

objectively, trains are better than cars

Let me know when the train runs straight from your driveway to the local grocery store

anyone who wants transportation at their doorstep is entitled to not walking. what's wrong with going from neighborhood center to shopping district?

It's slower and less convenient? Not to mention I don't have to sit around at the station for 10-20 minutes waiting for my train to show up. I can just get in my car and go do what needs doing. Objectively, cars are better than trains.

"It's slower and less convenient?"
tell that to the people who don't have a driver's license or can't afford a car, or who live in Japan where the trains can go over 100 mph.

"Not to mention I don't have to sit around at the station for 10-20 minutes waiting for my train to show up."
time your arrival. secondly, no one's forcing you to use the train. it matters based on location. however, we need rail transit more than ever in this country because we're running out of space for highways

"Objectively, cars are better than trains."

even efficiency-wise?

For anything other than long distance transit to high density areas, yes, even efficiency-wise. The only time I've ever found trains more convenient than a car is going downtown where parking is hard to find and traffic is a bitch. Travelling around suburbs? Cars absolutely more efficient. Long distance trips cross country? Trains might be faster in the long run, but you lose the option to stop along the way to see different things. I've gone on several cross-country roadtrips and those vacations wouldn't have been half as good of memories as they are if I'd been traveling by train. So sure, trains are decent for certain things but all-around cars are significantly more convenient

"The only time I've ever found trains more convenient than a car is going downtown where parking is hard to find and traffic is a b**ch."

that's pretty much the whole reason why i'm advocating for rail in the first place.

"Travelling around suburbs? Cars absolutely more efficient."

technically, the car can't beat the train in efficiency because of the average car holding one passenger. when you compare the efforts of a tram in the suburb holding a hundred passengers to single-ride cars holding a hundred passengers, the car can't compete.

"Trains might be faster in the long run, but you lose the option to stop along the way to see different things."

technically, that's false. cars have killed local businesses in downtown areas while trains give every town a chance at growth. that's the other thing rail is good for: economic stimulation. also, trains have windows.

"So sure, trains are decent for certain things..."

most things

"...but all-around cars are significantly more convenient"

in sparce areas, yes

the average car holds up to five people.. where you got 1 passenger car idea is beyond me. Normal sedan can fit one driver and four passengers (shotgun, and 3 in the back seat).

If by sparse you mean one of the biggest cities in the US, then sure.

"the average car holds up to five people.. where you got 1 passenger car idea is beyond me."

/Holds/ five people, but regularly only one person occupies it.

"California and New York." Both Democratic states! So: your enthusiasm for the Electoral College is rooted in pure political preference for Republicans. Which makes sense, since the Electoral College picked a Republican over the popular vote winner in the last 2 of 5 elections.

It's worth noting that even if we went to a popular vote, these two states combined are not going to run things.

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Not a very encouraging argument for Popular vs. Electoral decisions in General Elections. One county in California (L.A.County) with it's 10,3 million people adjusted for undocumented residents, has a larger population than 40 other Completely Sovereign States in what is called: "Flyover Country". In this case, to do what is popular, is not always right. NY and CA truly do wanna be "The Boss" of us and we all know it:
http://www.laalmanac.com/population/po04a.php <(Source)

Omg you really don't understand how the ec works at all do you? Lmao go back to class and actually read, study and comprehend your homework kiddo.

On the contrary. I understand the EC so well that I boil it down to its pure essence. I've reckoned with all the major arguments for the EC, and found them all to be empty.

It's a rickety and antiquated electoral system replicated nowhere else in the world, which gives undue political power to a small handful of moderate-to-large size swing states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, etc.) and not to the small states as it is purported. The EC makes our elections unrepresentative of the will of the country as a whole (twice in the past 5 elections) and makes our election system as a whole more fragile and susceptible to cheating, since stealing 10,000 votes from a swing state would be much easier than stealing 3 million votes nationwide.

The EC makes no sense in our modern era, and we only put up with because we'll likely never get a political consensus to remove it. Why would the Republicans agree to do away with something that so favors them?

In no other country on planet earth could a presidential candidate win 3 million more popular votes and still not be declared the winner.

It also doesn't make sense the arguments for the Electoral Collage are still based on States and not Individual votes. It doesn't matter if a majority vote one way in any single state. The minority vote in those states still counts in the overall election and can still overturn the vote, as it has in the past, in either Republican or Democratic favor.

in Iowa we only have 4 Representatives but only 3 of them work

i'm talking about you Steve King