Even cavemen know Climate Change is all about wealth redistribution.

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You what? Did you seriously just say that? What's next, gonna stop the sun from burning so hot?

"Climate change" is a natural friggin part of the Earth's life cycle.

When we go into an ice age? That's climate change.

When we /come out/ of an ice age? That's climate change. (aka "global warming", when we go into a "greenhouse period")

There have been at least five major ice ages in the Earth's known history, and guess what? We live in an ice age /right now/! (Known as the Quaternary ice age.)

That's why we still currently have polar ice caps. So-called environmentalists have been making a fuss about "oh my god the polar ice caps are melting!!!", but they're /supposed/ to melt, that's the natural order of things.

All of this is just to say "climate change" can't be stopped, and it would happen whether or not humans had ever existed on the planet, as it did for billions of years before we arrived.

The /only/ argument is about whether, or how much, humans are affecting the /rate/ of climate change. But to claim we can stop it just proves you need to stay in school, preferably one that teaches facts instead of liberal propaganda.

Btw, the Sun (Sol) is BY FAR the most important factor in the Earth's climate -- of course!

;-P

Oh, and the farting cows, they're a MUCH more important factor than the sun!

the sun is rly far away dum dum

Did you just figure that out, Einstein? It's 'really far away', and so you're implying that it's an irrelevant factor in climate due to that distance, Copernicus? Where does nearly all the energy for the Earth come from, Galileo? In astronomical terms, 93 million miles is actually pretty CLOSE (0.00001581 light years)....

haha why dont ya look at the sun and find out how far away it is! would do good for both your eyes and your brain.
the sun makes a factor somewhat, but not completely. humans also make no factor either.
the reason why we have "global warming" is because the earth, obviously, is tilted at a 23.5 degree angle, but also spins like a top. it wobbles in its orbit, screwing up the seasons and also warming up places that aren't always warm, and after that cooling them down. these phases are called "ice ages", and we are currently going into an interglacial peroid. they used to happen every 100,000 years, but for some unknown reason, have slowed to 10,000 year intervals, and the last ice age was the best known one, for humans were in it (and if you think humans are the cause of it, then you really are a dum dum).

Is it possible your brain might be wobbling a bit?... Where did I say humans caused any of this? And I had already previously posted about the interglacials (which happen WITHIN an ice age)... But the Sun IS where the Earth derives the vast majority of energy; even all of the fossil fuel we use ultimately came from Solar energy... You're being rather silly.
"...Almost all of the energy that drives the various systems (climate systems, ecosystems, hydrologic systems, etc.) found on the Earth originates from the Sun..."
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/6g.html

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT AN INERGLACIAL ERA IS?!?!?!?!?

An 'INERGLACIAL ERA'? No, I actually don't. Is 'inerglacial' even a real word?
If you mean interglacacial period, then yes... read another post I made on this thread, or:
"An interglacial period (or alternatively interglacial, interglaciation) is a geological interval of warmer global average temperature lasting thousands of years that separates consecutive glacial periods WITHIN AN ICE AGE. The current Holocene interglacial began at the end of the Pleistocene, about 11,700 years ago."
Again, I had already posted before, stating that the Earth is in an interglacial; you must have missed it.

Re-read your post. Very interesting. But if I may offer some clarity.

Yes, it is hypothesized that we’re actually in an ice age right now but due to the high temperatures and melting of the ice caps, this has lead to the widely accepted conclusion that human beings have affected climate change. Which, thankfully you acknowledge that it is at least debatable on the rate of which we’ve affected it. Thank you.

You are wrong to state that the polar ice caps melting are a natural phenomenon if we’re in an ice age. If we’re in a interglacial period, then yes, the ice caps might melt but they shouldn’t exceed a 10,000 year layer point if the event is precedented. However, at this time, a quick search shows they’ve only shed 5,000 years of layers. But I’d like to follow that query up.

At least you used 'debateable', and not the ridiculous 'settled science' that a lot of people had been using in the past several years... Although, 'widely accepted' is one of those terms we (humans) seem to use, which slightly reminds me of the vague 'a reliable source', or 'an anonymous govt official', etc., that always seems to be touted in the 'news'. In any case, I definitely appreciate your refreshing rational thought process (in contrast to the simple emotional automatic gainsaying or naysaying that's the norm these days (and which we all seem to devolve to at least once or twice).

To clear up your last point, when I said " We live in an ice age /right now/! (Known as the Quaternary ice age.), I realize I forgot (but fully intended) to add "We're currently on the tail end of it, and are in the early days of the next interglacial period, known as the Holocene epoch. We have been for the last 12,000 years."

That's why the ice caps are melting.

Again very interesting. If you'll forgive me but the "widely accepted" claim is that we should be around the first quarter of an ice age right now. But it certainly can be argued that we may be in a interglacial period. Again, I would personally need to research this. It is certainly a better argument than denying it's existence or that it is merely a hoax.

Well, that's the first time I've heard that we're in the /first/ quarter of an ice age, but I can't deny the possibility. I'm not a scientist or researcher, so I can only go by what others have written. And for something that it's adherents constantly extol is based entirely on facts and evidence, science is constantly changing it's mind about what those facts are.

And all too often, science is decided by consensus, rather than by actual facts. (Insert "500 years ago consensus said the Earth was flat" cliche here).

And that's a typical liberal response, to call known scientific facts "propaganda".

I bet you also believe there's no biological difference between men and women, don't you?

Very little difference, that's correct.

Uh-huh, like I figured.

And you probably have no problem with men beating women at women's sports, either.

You know it.
So what did the Olympic comittee decide?
That should be Interesting to see. New womens records. Records falling everywhere in every sport. It will be a fantastic time.

Okay, I was suspicious, but now I know you're just trolling.

Well played.

Excellent troll! Way to stay in character!

He/she is very entertaining.

It's really ALL about higher and more taxes.. It's NOT at all primarily about the 'climate' -- that's just part of the ruse used by the politicians to get the money... Notice how very little talk there is about what actually will be DONE, and the vast majority of the blather is about getting the money... Besides, the climate will STILL change -- as it always has -- regardless of 'what is done'.... Moreover, the money will end up being spent on other things, or largely disappear into an abyss -- as HAS already happened before (for instance, in 2009, there was the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, with about a trillion dollars supposedly going to 'infrastructure'... nearly nothing was ever done, but the money is gone).
** Most of those walking around dropping the terms 'climate change' or 'global warming', fail to even understand the basics, such as the Earth is already currently IN an ice age -- specifically, an interglacial period within that ice age. Glacial periods alternate with interglacials, within an ice age (an ice age is defined as a long period of reduction in temperature, and the presence of polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers). IF humans disappeared today (or maybe even not), the next glacial period (or, erroneously, 'ice age', to the average person) would begin in about 50,000 years. That would be the NORMAL non-human course of events. Can humans significantly accelerate or slow that? Maybe not.

Climate change, whether it exists or not, is a great excuse for raising taxes.
And taxes aren't always spent in the best way.

Yes, power through taxation.... Moreover, 'hidden taxation' will massively affect the middle-class and poor, because the 'rich and corporations' will simply pass-down the expenses of any raised taxes.... In fact, most of the politicians know very well that this would be the case, and so it's really a clever way to dupe the poor and middle-class to agree with a tax increase ON THEMSELVES...

Yeah. A lot of corporations can pay more tax, most people can't pay more tax.
It'll just make a system where corporations are booming, government is almost omni-potent and the people are squandered.

Furthermore, IF they truly believed the World was actually going to end, if something isn't 'done' within 12 years, WHY would they be focused on OTHER things, like the ridiculous 'impeachment' farce, or Joe Biden's leg hair?
I mean, wouldn't they be striving every minute of every day seeking to stop it?
I've seen enough end-of-the-World science fiction movies to know how people would/should behave when faced with impending doom.

Um, no.

Paying taxes to stop climate change isn't going to do squat

Yes, simply 'throwing money' at something has never solved anything --- especially when something truly definitive has yet to be proposed... Again, almost all the 'talk' has been about money, and not what supposedly will be done.... When politicians get their hands on money, all bets are off.