Vicki Weaver

Now you're for women being shot in doorways by police? If someone came on your property and shot your dog, what would you do?

I assumed OM meant so that Vicki could shoot Randy, but I don't really know anything about Ruby Ridge.

Basically, the couple were "Nazi Sympathizers" in today's terms because the husband hung out around racists, so he was labeled a racist. Whether he was or not, doesn't negate the fact his wife was shot down in cold blood by the real Nazi, the FBI (government entity) because her husband refused to back down from his beliefs. Many people (I guess by the comment above, Octavia is one of them) believe that it's justified to murder someone because their husband is a racist.

White supremacists lives matter?

They were prepping for a war?
They got their wish granted?
So what's the issue, other than then a free ticket to Judgement Day a little earlier than expected?

It's a dirty job...

The government overstepped their bounds which is why they won a settlement afterwards.

When the government goes after its citizens unjustly, its citizens have the right to fight back. This is the main reason we have the 2nd amendment.

I think a warrant for a "weapons violation" isn't justification to storm onto a property and get trigger-happy. But like I said, the government had to pay the family in the end for killing the members.

lol it was up there with Waco. People aren't free. Government can kill you and there's nothing you can do about it. That sniper shot a woman holding a baby. Truly disgusting regardless of the circumstances. Hope he's tortured.

Yeah, I kinda got the flow of the conversation mixed up. But you're right, if 2A is removed, then the public indeed would not be able to defend themselves from guys like him.

You must be kidding me. Is that like how Koresh was a danger to the public because he had a mortar or cannon or whatever bs excuse they came up with that the Davidians never actually possessed? They shot his dog to start, then shot a weaponless woman holding a baby with sniper fire.

David Korseh was a danger to the children he was sexually molesting which is why authorities went there in the first place.

Having a huge aresenal of weapons stored for his act as THE Jesus the Christ Second Coming 1990s Edition to wage Armageddon wasn't exactly about to make him any more endearing.

Like the Weavers, shooting at Law Enforcement is not necessarily good for the health.
Also like the Weavers, their huge cache of weapons served to bring upon them the death they were begging for.

Sympathy Level: - 10 on the Tupac Scale of Dumb Asses Asking to Get Their Dumb Asses Shot.

Really, heard they went there because they though he had an arsenal that he didn't. And I remember the media pushing this messiah thing and molestation of kids. The more time goes on, the more I think it was all a crock of shit. It's easy to smear the dead. But who knows, I wasn't there.

His arsenal is what caught on fire and burnt them to death, his child brides in waiting included.
On top of that, there's a good possibility that like all self dubbed Jesusers, the fire was not sent by an errant tear gas canister, but by Son of Scam himself.

He & Co are not the first nutters nor the last to have a huge stash to start Armegeddon (too bad they didn't have a chance to start that one, huh?). People can make fun of Janet Reno's looks all they want, but pretty sure this wasn't a a random picked-out-of-a-hat decision to go shoot up a bunch of innocent gopher hunters who just happened to be in a cult worshipping a guy who named himself after the first Messiah and had a side hobby as a pedohile.

Ahh, I'm vague on the details, but heard they had indication of some sort.

Anyways, he's the reincarantion of TWO Messiahs, Cyrus the Great AND Jesus, so *Terminator voice* he'll be Bach.

Bullshit. Most likely a candle or lantern (They had no power) got knocked over into one of the haybales blocking the windows. They are probably covering their ass since they could have grabbed Koresh during his many trips off the property.

Yes, the sniper said. You can believe that if you want.

Believe they came on their land and shot the dog first. Then the firefight happened.

Yes and shot the dog. Then the firefight happened.

how do u know what was said? weaver could have very well order her to stay in the house or esle.. so u shoot first and ask questions later? BTW it was a sniper that killed her, it was no accident.. death penalty without a trial or any guilt.Had weaver been shot well thats a dif story but a potential hostage? wtf, they killed her to send a message , who is the real nazi in this case?

My entire family is in the military.I have a very close member in the atf , snipers are like surgeons only with more training and science, they know every aspect of a shoot, they know they can go through brick walls, they are trained to shoot through brick walls to get enemy. She was murdered.

so its ok to shoot a woman because her hubby wont kill a neo nazi for u?

His family wasn't!
Okay, I might be pro-government and I don't think it's some globalist conspiracy, but I found what the FBI and Marshals did to be abhorrent. His children weren't a threat. His wife wasn't a threat. I could even say that he wasn't a threat.

no way. I disagree 10000% weaver moved away from the puiblic he wanted nothign to do with them. the only ppl around there were ppl the gov wanted dead anyway.. The woman was no threat and holding an infant. Imagine weaver was black and the exact same thing happened. shoot his wife because we dont like u?

Okay, Randy Weaver wasn't a hero. But he wasn't a terrible person. He might've stuck around wrong crowds, but when I listened to an audiobook about the globalist conspiracy, and he was mentioned, I felt pity for Randy. He was coerced by the government. Sure, it was to spy on neo-nazis, who I didn't like, but if the government told me to spy on an organisation I had friends within, I wouldn't say "Of course".

Learn some REAL facts, not some conspiracy propaganda from an adorable audiobook of all things.

The audiobook I listened to, Them, was actually pretty good, and somewhat balanced.

No, it wasn't.

Kid, your parents weren't even your age when it went down, nor did they even hear of it. The UK still had a life back then, the air that they weren't US sycophants totally hooked on our leftover junk.

It would be like me lecturing your grandparents about King Edward VIII.

Ever listened to that audiobook?

I L-I-V-E-D through that era, git it?

Ever listen to the audiobook about the Brexit vote?

Ok, look at it this way, amongst the to-kill on his bucket list in the ever-coming race war is, TA DA! Moslems. That explain it better now? Because they are the last beleaguered victims fad for the mighty SJW contingent.

How do you know?

Something about me being alive back then, give or take, and not deriving my entire world view from the interwebz which was occupied by a very few with no lives otherwise? You know, like in that movie, Surrogates?? When the system got turned off at the end and people had to go to this strange scary place called "outside"?

So, you took your opinion from the media?

Just what year did you think this happened, laddie?
No Trump scripted reality show spiel for you idiots, no flake nooze for yous to cluck.

Opinion is irrelevent. What happened happened.
It's called facts, son. Ya might wanna skip the Sci Fi spin and look that up.

"I'm thithteen and I thaw a WouToob wideo on thuh conthpiwacy, so skip thuh twuth you wived throogh derp derp"

You're wasting my time a lot.