if you bring up God, you lose all credibility

if you bring up God, you lose all credibility | SAYING THINGS LIKE "WE NEED TO PUT GOD BACK IN SCHOOLS," OR "WE NEED GOD," AND "THIS IS GOD'S COUNTRY." IS THE SAME THING AS SAYING "MICKEY  | image tagged in mickey mouse,god,religion,anti-religious,atheism,atheist | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
share
260 views, 9 upvotes, Made by Golden_Uganda_Knuckles 2 months ago in politics mickey mousegodreligionanti-religiousatheismatheist
mickey mouse  memeCaption this Meme
Add Meme
Post Comment
Best first
46 Comments
reply
2 ups, 2m,
1 reply
X, X Everywhere Meme | I'M NOT RELIGIOUS BUT I'LL BE DEEPLY OFFENDED TO THE CORE IF YOU IMPLY YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE ONE TRUE WORD OF BREAKING BAD.. | image tagged in memes,x x everywhere | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
I'm an atheist but I'd sure as hell take 'god' over pretty much any of the idiotic bullshit modern generations replaced it with..

Feminism, liberalism, socialism, Marxism, social justice, religious about celebrities, religious behaviour about TV show franchises, whose got the best games console... I'd say in retrospect that religion was the least childish form of religion we had..
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
while i agree with you toatally
the SJWs are ruining EVERYTHING and so or the WAHMAN, but religion is still the main first evil we must get rid of..well we need to get rid of all of this BS
reply
4 ups, 2m,
1 reply
Religion is the bulwark against a disgusting degenerate society, fedora tipper. Well, some.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
1 reply
How so?
reply
4 ups, 2m,
1 reply
Look at the 50's and look at now. I don't care if you hate religion, it kept things in check. Was it too harsh, perhaps, but look what happens when it dissolves. Our culture is atheist.
reply
5 ups, 2m,
3 replies
Our culture isn't atheist. More people believe in god than don't. And the 1950s are a terrible example of religion keeping society in order. Rampant racism, segregation, mistreatment of minorities, oppression of women, failed foreign policies that tried to stop communism, etc

Besides, religion itself isn't what keeps society in order. Countries that are overwhelmingly secular still have law and order.
reply
3 ups, 2m
The media, Hollywood, music, the education system. These aren't all atheist? Really? Mel had to finance the Passion himself because Pedowood wouldn't greenlight a positive movie about Jesus, anymore.

Don't blame racism on Christianity. Not in the 50's. I'll have you know when Christianity was a larger focus of the black population, they had a single mother rate right off whites, or low. Now it's at 75%. Do you really think religion didn't play a role in low teenage birth rates and a strong work ethic? And there are alot of different denominations that thought differently. The Quakers use to help slaves.

I never said order. I said degeneracy. Do you know there is a state funded show in Denmark, I think, that pays young adults to take drugs and film it, for the 'education' of it's country's youth?
reply
2 ups, 2m
But it is secular, as well as given to ever rampant consumerism and materialism, self indulgent to the point that the craving for hedonist extremes is practically outpacing the limits of imaginable depravity.

Granted, while the 1950s appeared drowning in the various sorts of inequality, oppression, repression, and abuse you listed, compare that to the generation before and the one before that. Compare it to how it was in the the 1850s, and we've witnessed progress at a level and pace never seen anywhere anytime in history.

On top of that, in our gallant effort to rebuild the tattered world left in Hitler's wake, from the VOA to the Marshall Plan, etc, we've exported modernization and egalitarianism, again, in ways not seen prior. The strongest entity to have ever existed, technological and cultural innovator that in comparison makes the rest of pre-WWII Earth look like a bunch of cannibalistic monkeys flinging their own poo to make their mark on World culture and history.

Why the USA though? Why didn't our motherland, England, do the same? Why haven't our neighbors on this continent blessed with much of the same resources either? Why is it that our bloody urge to conquer under the rabid banner of Manifest Destiny ulitmately lead us to domesticate our barbaric brethren on the other side of vast oceans rather than strip them clean like any other conqueror? We OWNED this planet, and instead we gave. Can you think of any other to have done so since Cyrus the Great 2600 years ago?

Europeans, Asians, Africans, South Americans, Catholics, Russian Orhtodox, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Confucianist - even Atheistic Communists, with their international brotherhood of man merely conquered and pillaged, rendering entire countries into mere drones.

What we have wrought was not despite the dominant religion, but BECAUSE of it. The American Anglo-.Protestant view of itself as custodian has lead it to become a giving one, as opposed to its predeccesors. It evolved on its own, unlike the rest of this humanary stew EVER.

Our moral code, our drive, our culture, our altruism, our modern world - born out of that religion.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
1 reply
Religion isn't what keeps society in order. The idea that man is not the pinnacle, that he, and he alone, is not the final judge of creation, is. When man thinks he has no one to whom he must answer, he justifies anything and everything. "Do what thou wilt"...the most destructive concept that has ever existed.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
3 replies
This thread is equating the 1950's to Leave it to Beaver episodes. That wasn't reality in the 50's.
1. The crime rate was much higher then than it is today. Crime at all levels has dropped.
2. Incest, **pe, wife beating, child beating, all went unreported and all were much higher than today.
3. Education levels were much lower. Youth today are much better educated
4. A much larger percentage of the population today, have 4yr degrees
5. Women were not allowed to hold important positions (jobs) for the most part
6. Blacks were kept in their place and (jobs) held from them.
7. Blacks could not get special financing and other loans, to help them benefit the same way whites did after WWII

Much of the problems you guys listed above are byproducts of the huge amount of progress we've seen. Women don't need men anymore. They can earn their own money. That is why we have higher divorce rates today.

I don't believe for a second we're becoming a worse society than we used to be. The world gets better every day, even with Trump as Prez. He's a blip in time and we will learn from this.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
2 replies
I can't understand how someone on the right who believes in personal responsibility cannot fathom a world without a God and personal responsibility as the main driver of decency. I don't need a God to know how to treat people. Judging from the past, it has never worked very well to use one.
reply
0 ups, 2m,
2 replies
The word is "steal", and sure you do. You feel sorry for anyone that needs God to know not to steal...? I guess you're not aware of all the millions of people who steal every day, and justify it to themselves. Oh, I'm not talking about robbery. I'm talking about things like progressive income taxes, and usurious interest rates, and putting your fingers on the scales....

"All those things you listed, are committed by faithful church goer's every day. Likely, some unfaithful meet at church!"

One more time: the ABUSE of the Law does not render the Law, itself, invalid. This is not a difficult concept. Lots of people murder. Should murder not be illegal, since people are going to do it anyway..?

And "faithful church goer's [sic]"...? There's no such thing. In fact, it is the "faithful church goers" who are most guilty, because man's religions...every single "faith", and "denomination", and "organized religion", and "church" stands in direct and total opposition to God. All of them. So arguing that the followers of Babylon break the Law doesn't mean anything.

"Why not? Just go to church on Sunday, eat your cracker and be absolved for the week. Makes everything better doesn't it?"

Good! You see the hypocrisy in man's religions. If you dare...follow that thought. Maybe you'll discover that God has nothing whatsoever to do with any of it.

"There is something really wrong with thinking a God is needed to know right from wrong.

The reason we have laws is to establish punishment for people who do wrong. People shouldn't need laws to know right from wrong."

That's nonsense. The reason laws exist is so people will know right from wrong. And no, not the petty, bureaucratic nonsense "laws" that are enacted to control people. Laws like "you must not steal." The reason why have laws is MOST EMPHATICALLY NOT to "establish punishment for people who do wrong." It's so people will KNOW what is wrong, and avoid it. Laws don't "establish punishment." Consequences for breaking the laws do.
0 ups, 1m
""Why not? Just go to church on Sunday, eat your cracker and be absolved for the week. Makes everything better doesn't it?"

Good! You see the hypocrisy in man's religions. If you dare...follow that thought. Maybe you'll discover that God has nothing whatsoever to do with any of it."

Cringe protestant
0 ups, 2m
Don't get off topic.

America has a STRONG history of a progressive income tax rate and has used a much stronger form of it all the way up to about 1974. It's one of the primary things that made America, America. Helping the little guy with a hand up so that they too could succeed. We've moved away from that and more toward what's mine is mine and keep your hands off.

God is not needed to know it is wrong to cheat on your wife. Believing in God does nothing to prevent people from cheating on their wife as many do it every day. Something I've never done by the way.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
1. Because God Is, whether people acknowledge Him or not, and

2. Wise people understand that which man is capable.

So you have a "moral code" that teaches you how to "treat people." Great. And what if your "moral code" says it's ok to steal from people, so long as you justify the stealing? And what if your "moral code" says it's ok to kill people, merely because they're inconvenient? And what if your "moral code" says it's ok to cheat on your spouse because you don't "love them anymore"? And what if your "moral code" says it's ok to lie about someone else, if the ends justifies the means?

Sorry. Spare me your "moral code." And spare me the nonsense justification that "people abuse the Law, so therefore the Law, itself, is useless." Just because man's religions are all bullshit doesn't therefore mean God's Laws are, too, even if you reject God.

There's something to that whole "don't murder, don't steal, don't accuse falsely, don't commit adultery" thing...
0 ups, 2m
I don't need a God to know not to steel and feel sorry for anyone who does.

All those things you listed, are committed by faithful church goer's every day. Likely, some unfaithful meet at church!

Why not? Just go to church on Sunday, eat your cracker and be absolved for the week. Makes everything better doesn't it?

There is nothing wrong with believing in God. There is something really wrong with thinking a God is needed to know right from wrong.

The reason we have laws is to establish punishment for people who do wrong. People shouldn't need laws to know right from wrong.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
4 replies
Far be it from me to try and make sense of Leftist ranting...but if "incest, **pe, wife beating, child beating" all went unreported...how can you possibly know they were "much higher than today....?

More people having 4 year degrees is a good thing...? Or do we have a lot of overeducated dummies, who wasted tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on useless degrees (like me!)...?

Youth today are much better educated..? BWAH HA HA HA! PURE fiction. Total nonsense. Most of the people "graduating" high school can barely read or write.

Do you imagine "higher divorce rates" is GOOD for society...?

Race relations are, indeed, much, much better, thanks to the efforts of people who fought against the racist Left, including most of the Democratic party. However...race relations have deteriorated at a rapid pace since Obama was elected, because of policies of his administration, and the increasing radicalness of the Left and their stranglehold on the education system.

The world gets better every day....? What world do you live on? Have you ever been outside the United States or North America.....?
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
China has added 3 American middle classes in size to its society over the last 30yrs. Deaths by war are far, far lower today than in the past. Yes, much of the world is getting better.
0 ups, 2m
Yay! The Bernie bullshit!

China SLAUGHTERED its poor, by the tens of millions. 50 million...or more....killed under Mao.

But hey, by all means, that's one way to get rid of your poor!

You are a product of the Left and its media, and you don't even know it. Try going outside of North America. Go to Malmo, Sweden. Go to the Muslim ghettos of London. Visit Cairo or Syria or Afghanistan. Hell, try and be a Muslim in China, see where that gets you.
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
In 1950, 51% of the population did not receive a high school education.
0 ups, 2m
Of what value is a "high school education" when the graduates are barely literate, and cannot do basic math...?

I'll take 51% of the population that knows far, far more than the average high school "graduate" today.
reply
0 ups, 2m
"Of what value is a "high school education" when the graduates are barely literate, and cannot do basic math...?

I'll take 51% of the population that knows far, far more than the average high school "graduate" today."

Heard on NPR today that a pessimistic attitude likely means you won't live as long as an optimist. You might want to chill out a bit and take things a little easier.

Has there ever been an older generation that felt a younger generation worthy? I doubt it. Your attitude has lived on for countless generations. I'm around enough young people to know they are way more intelligent and informed than people of my age were when we were young. Teen pregnancy is also way down.
reply
0 ups, 2m,
2 replies
One only needs look to the church to see what was kept hidden for years until people started coming forward.

I use to think Obama was proof we've come a long way and that blacks can do anything in America today. Since Trump we've seen the social ramifications from the Obama presidency vs the Trump presidency and it's a clear indicator that America is still very racist. There is no better indicator today that brings out the hatred for all to see. A hated black man trying to improve things is trumped by a loved ignorant white man trying to tear it out by the roots no matter who it hurts or what the policy was. Ignorant, racist people see things in black and white.

Yes, kids are much better educated today and vastly outstrip the young people of the past in knowledge.
0 ups, 2m
For some reason I cannot reply to your comments.

You're giving only your personal opinions. I know of no, "echo chamber" that mirrors my thoughts left or right because they are a combination of both. I'm a fiscal conservative that believes most conservatism related to social interests, is racially driven so I stay away. I've vote for the individual, not by party and always have. These are my thoughts.

You're twisting my words to suit your narrative. Obama is surely hated, just look at your comments. I saw very few instances while he was in office that I did not agree with.
0 ups, 2m
Which "church"? Not that it matters. They're all of them garbage.

You're seeing only what your echo chamber sees. America is still "very racist"...? It's a lie...told to you by people who want to control you, and which you willingly accept.

Is America MORE racist than it was in, say, 2007? You bet. And that's because of Obama's attitudes, opinions, and policies. Look at the racist language you use: "A hated black man trying to improve things."

You don't even recognize your OWN RACISM in saying things like that....and yet, astonishingly, in the very next breath, you make the stunning claim that "ignorant, racist people see things in black and white", thereby condemning yourself for your previous sentence!

It's unbelievable...and perfectly in tune with the desire of the Left to control...that you and people like you say "people only hate Obama because of his skin color!!"

No. People "hated" Obama because his policies...utterly and completely irrespective of the NOTHINGNESS and MEANINGLESSNESS of what he looks like....were destructive, divisive, and controlling.

And no, kids are not "much better educated today." You are lying to yourself and everyone else.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
2 replies
Crime in the fifties was worse than today? Are you okay? Youth today are better educated? LOL maybe in the worst backwater dregs. Do you know how low the math proficiency rate is now?

Women not needing men, and vice versa, is... good? High divorce rates are good?

Geeeeeeeeeeeez
reply
1 up, 2m,
2 replies
In 1950, 51% of the population did not graduate high school and 6% had 4yr degrees.
In 2009, only 12% did not graduate high school and 32% have 4yr degrees.

The improvement is astounding.
3 ups, 2m
Yes, strangled with debt for a degree that can't get you a job, that can't help you buy a house is wonderful improvement. I think back to the day where you could pay your college debt with a summer job and buy a house for your young family and just shudder.
1 up, 2m
"strangled with debt for a degree that can't get you a job, that can't help you buy a house is wonderful improvement. I think back to the day where you could pay your college debt with a summer job and buy a house for your young family and just shudder"

All those things are true but none of those things are due to young people. It's mechanization, the ever changing requirements of work, the belief in trickle down economics and increase costs loaded onto the middle class including healthcare costs and a 500% increase in college costs. Back in 1950 people went to college relatively expense free but those people today are telling our young to suck it up and pay 7% interest on their college debt.

"They have degrees, but no education." That's your opinion.
Sure, people in the 50's knew how to work on the farm. That knowledge won't provide food for people today.

"I'd take a non-graduate from the 50s over a graduate from 2019."
The guy from the 50's wouldn't last a week in 2019. Wouldn't know how to use a computer, how to type, how to create a readable paper, how to do anything beyond manual labor. Most of them would do well to earn minimum wage today. The rate of improvement is partial cause for the gun violence we see today. There are many people who can't deal with modern societal pressures but would have been fine in 1950 with fewer people, with less human interaction and less demand on the mind. Another negative byproduct of our successes.

So he can change oil. That's a great minimum wage job. Back in 1950 he could raise a family with a single income with such a job.

"The graduate from 2019 can tell you how many genders there are and call you a bigot Nazi"

You're showing your own difficulty with our modern world and the demands it puts on people. Another improvement in the rights of citizens to be who they are. I get where you're coming from though. Just was listening to NPR and a story suggesting that you should always ask your wife if it is okay to give her a kiss as you leave for work and always ask for permission for sex. Some have taken the whole thing too far.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
https://mises.org/wire/2015-fbi-report-homicides-still-near-1950s-levels

I never said divorce was a good thing. I said it was a bad thing but it is caused by positive changes in American culture. A byproduct. I was wrong about **pe. I forgot that since Trump was elected we've seen a spike in **pe.
1 up, 2m
Murder isn't the only crime. Everything else is higher today, though down from late 70's - 80's. And you don't know what didn't go reported then or now.

https://www.quora.com/Were-crime-rates-a-lot-lower-in-the-1950s-in-the-United-States-versus-now 1st reply lists stats.
reply
3 ups, 2m,
2 replies
reply
3 ups, 2m
reply
1 up, 2m
when I was younger,I thought FN was deep (he is) But just remember he died insane,a virgin and in love with his sister. just sayin.
reply
3 ups, 2m,
1 reply
God bless you in your ignorance and grant you wisdom to see truth one day.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
Funny how you're getting it completely backwards. It's when people stop settling for "god did it" as an answer that we break free from ignorance. God didn't put a man on the moon. Prayer didn't cure polio. Religious rituals didn't develop water purification systems. Sacrificing bulls to Yahweh didn't extend the average lifespan by decades.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
Um, yeah... OK... As always, you speak of what you don't know. And this discussion ends here for the same reasons given to you personally at least twice.
reply
2 ups, 2m,
2 replies
You can't even argue against what I said. Scientific advancements are what helped society get to where we are today.

Name one single disease that's been eradicated because of prayer. Name one.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
And the patron of science and technology, as well as education, the arts, law... while Europe withered was what?
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
Withered?
reply
0 ups, 2m
Withered away?

Shit, I take time to type out an opus - at least the 3rd on the same topic to you, and that's your only reply? I don't even now if you saw the last one from a couple of weeks ago or so, and not exactly sure if you ever acknowleged the one previous to that either...
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
All of them.

Prove a single disease didn’t have a single affected person directly or indirectly who petitioned God to direct minds and hands to discover a cure. Name one.

Faith in God is a wonderful thing. Wish you lived in reality.
reply
1 up, 2m,
1 reply
"Name one single disease that's been eradicated because of prayer"

"All of them."

Okay, do you have any scientific evidence for this claim?

"Prove a single disease didn’t have a single affected person directly or indirectly who petitioned God to direct minds and hands to discover a cure. Name one."

That's an unfalsifiable proposition. If you understood science you'd know that. I can't prove that your God didn't guide people to a cure, just like you can't prove magic pixies didn't guide people to a cure.

"Faith in God is a wonderful thing."

You can have faith. I prefer evidence.

"Wish you lived in reality."

Oh I do. That's why I don't believe in fictitious things like your God.
reply
0 ups, 2m,
1 reply
And that is why I told you you were incapable of rational discussion on the matter.

Done.
reply
0 ups, 2m
You made a claim. I asked you for evidence. You accused me of being incapable of having a rational discussion. Do you see the problem here? I'm guessing you don't.

It's not my fault your religious beliefs are just as unprovable and unfalsifiable as magic pixies.
reply
2 ups, 2m
God mostly agrees with you.
Flip Settings
mickey mouse  memeCaption this Meme
Created with the Imgflip Meme Generator
IMAGE DESCRIPTION:
SAYING THINGS LIKE "WE NEED TO PUT GOD BACK IN SCHOOLS," OR "WE NEED GOD," AND "THIS IS GOD'S COUNTRY."; IS THE SAME THING AS SAYING "MICKEY MOUSE BLESS AMERICA" OR "IN MICKEY MOUSE WE TRUST." IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S CHILDISH NONSENSE AND YOU NEED TO GROW UP.
hotkeys: D = random, W = upvote, S = downvote, A = back
Feedback