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That's a good one but what we're seeing on the right, is not conservatism.

Okay, I’ll take that into consideration. Let me ask you this. What, in your view, is conservatism?

Being opposed to progress.

You misspelled regression.

Let me rephrase that. Being opposed to change. Thats a bit nicer.

Well that’s what we got in office then

Well f**k

There is little opposition to change with this administration. They make rules daily that get shot down in court as unconstitutional. I get why people are angry. Most on both sides are. We just have different ideas on what's causing the problems to the middle.

That plus Mitch McConnell

I love conservatism. I have always been a conservative.

1. No extreme ideology. Rational thought only.
2. If you cut taxes, tie them to job creation, otherwise, it's just a handout that increases the divide between the rich and the middle. There is nothing wrong with zero taxes on the biggest, most income producing company in the world, as long as they are creating jobs like one!
3. All legislation should be based on the effects to the middle class.

Solving the high cost of college education through grants, solving the poor's need for food with food stamps, both are bad ideas. They are bandaids to the real problem. People don't have enough money and need a larger government to support them. The central way to get people off the gov dole is to increase income. Increasing minimum wage is one good way to reduce government by getting people off government programs.

There is no free market economy if half the workers need government subsidy to eat because the free market is not paying them enough to do so.

Yes, lets get an inflattion happening people, lets raise the minimum wage to $300000000000.00 an hour, and see how all the jobs will go away and this place will become a desert. You, my friend, you are BRILLIANT. Oh lets completely ignore that we live in a planet with limited resources also, right? right? there is an unlimited supply of food, potable water, and money grows on trees! Oh, also unlimited supply of tress, they are all over, cut as many needed to pay for the National debt.

In 2016 a handful of states instituted a much higher minimum wage. All of those states are beating the national average in growth today. https://www.epi.org/publication/minimum-wage-testimony-feb-2019/

Well, you can look at those articles with numbers from sources that are questionable. My brother lives in Seattle Washington, he moved out of there because of how shitty it has become since they raised the minimum wage, and he is not the only one who has done that. To me experience from trustful sources speaks louder that some numbers from God knows who. Also some facts, some of those places they charge money for toilet paper in public bathrooms, they charge for parking even to the employees. So a lot of the things that people had for free, now they have to pay for it. So yeah, way to bring in inflation. Don't give me that bull crap. It also makes us less competitive in a global economy and like it or not we are evolving into a global economy thanks to the internet and lower cost of shipping services. How can someone making 15$ an hour in Seattle compete against someone from Mexico making 2$ an hour? Explain that if you are so smart, how? If Best buy sells a TV for $1,000 and Walmart sells the very same TV for $300 will you not buy Walmart TV? Go ahead and lie to me. A job is a service, a product just like a TV. You are selling your service to your employer. Welcome to business 101.

You believe in big government. You prefer a socialist state with a government falsely supporting and manipulating the non-existent free market, through government subsidy that supports the working public with an artificially low wage. There really is no way you get out from around that statement.

Products coming in from another country and undercutting, is a completely separate issue. Wages are not low if people get government support to eat. What you believe in is socialism and government sanctioned support for the working poor.

I am a libertarian, why do I believe in big government? Why Would I prefer socialist state when I am all for free market, the opposite of a socialist non existing market? Have you taken any reading comprehension classes in the past? I don't know where you are getting all that from anything I said.

You can't see past your nose. There is no free market when half those making minimum wage are on government programs to eat.

We already have a minimum wage. Increasing the monetary value of the amount, does NOTHING to increase government. It actually reduces government through getting people off government assistance. It also makes us more resemble a free market, when we end the corporate welfare system and people get paid by their employers what it actually costs to eat, instead of workers getting subsidized by the government.

Do you not know that just because one person has lots of money, doesn't mean that others can't have lots of money as well? Money, is not a finite resource like water or food. That's right ideology 101/Conservative ideology 101. You should know that or please do not call yourself a conservative!

"Money, is not a finite resource like water or food. " I am sorry retard, FOOD and WATER ARE finite, there are countries that people survive with just 1 gallon of water for a week. Potable water and food resources will end at some point, you just have it good now where you are at, and if we do not stretch the consumption of those resources, we will run out of them fast. You are retard 101. Now I see your education level is just way below average to even waste my time educating you.

Are you freaking stupid? Can you not read? I said, "money is not a finite resource like water or food". Meaning, water and food, are finite resources. Idiot!

The problem is that people get paid too much in the United states, but they are not educated about how to manage their money and the dangers of getting in debt, instead they teach you to get into credit. That is the real problem. Having government govern salaries does not equal less government, it is giving government the full control of market. People need to stop buying what they can't afford, they need to invest not only on financial aspects but in education, and not talking about college that just gets you into more debt, but certification classes and self education available freely on the internet. I mean, most millionaires did not got rich by going to college, https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/10/10-ultra-successful-millionaire-and-billionaire-college-dropouts.html so college is out of your equation about college grants. People no longer need college to become successful. But the REAL heart of the problem, is people not willing to get off their lazy ass to educate themselves. For that reason free market is the best solution, because it forces people to get off their lazy ass.

What you advocate for is not a free market.

You can't pay $1,500.00 a month in rent when you have a child and work for $7.25hr. It seems pretty sad that, THAT needs to be stated.

Half of all people working minimum wage have a family and are over age 24.

Lifetime earnings for men with a bachelors degree are $655,000 higher than for those without. That's fact.

"People no longer need college to become successful." Yeah, I don't even know what to do with that statement.
There are always people who succeed without it but the numbers don't lie. Average income is higher with it.

But we've seen what happens when the min wage gets raised by a large % lay offs, no breaks, less days and automation.

States that have raised the minimum are more successful with higher GDP than those that have not.

Automation cannot be stopped regardless of what the wage is.

But there is a difference between Walmart and a mom and pop store or at least one that doesn't make obscene profits.

Yes there is. Does that mean the entire idea should be scrapped? No. There has to be a middle ground somewhere. Not all people making minimum wage need more money. But, 16yr old kids in my town are making $10.00hr working summers. Some making 12. Seriously, if your business is so marginal you can't pay people more than $7.25, somethings wrong or there are extenuating circumstances.

Now, the conversation has moved into working territory where give and take can solve the problems of businesses that cannot support a higher wage. The overall goal should be to reduce the need for government to stick its nose in and manipulate the free market into the monstrosity we have today that is in no way like a free market.

We have so removed ourselves from the free market and living wage, we are more like a socialist state. The government is paying half of us some sort of subsidy. This really should be a demand on the right. It makes no sense that people on the right do not want to reduce government by increasing the minimum wage and getting the government out of manipulating the market.

We have a minimum wage already. It does not grow the government to change the number of that wage.

Would there be some way to tie profit to the wage a company has to pay? I wouldn't want to discourage companies from wanting to grow or make the business practices more shady but some companies just can't afford a 15 minimum wage. Someone flipping burgers shouldn't make that. Like I said, we've seen what's happened, in, I think, Portland.

Sorry SydneyB, for some reason there was no reply button to your last comment. Yeah, your idea might be one solution for the handful of companies that can't support their workers with a real wage.

There is no reason why people on both sides of the issue can't solve this problem.

$7.25hr are not jobs meant to raise a family, those are jobs for college students/side jobs/elderly.

""People no longer need college to become successful." Yeah, I don't even know what to do with that statement." You lack the brain capacity to understand I even provided you a link with a list of today's millionaires who are college dropouts. Me and my wife earn tons of money and is not because of college, but because of certifications we got from 1 to 2 weeks courses. People who think college is the end to old means like suckers they will get their life drained paying back those student loans that never got them into a job to begin with. Now granted, Doctors and Lawyers may be the exception.

About half of those making $7.25 are adults trying to make a living. Sure, it would be great if they were college students or elderly but facts don't support your argument.

$7.25hr is $290.00 a week or about $1,160.00 a month.

Rule of thumb is that you should not pay more than 30% of your income for rent. That's $348.00. Average rent in America is 1,405.00mo.

To turn $1,405.00 into 30% of earnings, a person working minimum wage would have to work 645hrs a month.

30 days = 720hrs.

Congratulations, that gives you 2.5hrs a night off to sleep.

The average Walmart store in America is on the government dole for $750,000 annually in government subsidies for their employees who don't make enough money to survive without it. In no way, shape or form, can this be considered a, "free market economy" when employers are not covering the cost of living for employees.

Employers goal is to make a profit and see their company rise, not for an employee to support their family. That is the employee's responsibility to support his/her own family. You are wrong, you are not gonna win this one. And no, we do not have a free market. We have minimum wage, in order to have free market there must not be minimum wage. Minimum wage is a way government abuses small to medium business businesses in favor of the big corporations, and is also a key they love to use to win votes from ignorant voters.

You are completely ignoring the fact that most working at minimum wage get government subsidies to eat. You believe in us spirally down into a complete socialist state where all workers are compensated by government and all corporations/businesses are either owned by the government or need corporate welfare to survive because without it, they would have no workers.

Addiction to winning!

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