It is starting again, why be on a "team" think for yourself.

Please... I hate these all politics are same and bad crap. I was an independent until recently seeing what Democrats are doing. Wake up. Back in the days Democrats still know right and wrong, now they don't know what gender is? They're praising killing of Christians? Supporting Sharia? Communism?

Wake the hell up. Not taking the right side, you're still support the wrong side.

Yes, you pick a side and fight for what you believe in. There is no "bi-partisan" politics. The left have no interest in it whatsoever.

Tom Brady is G.O.A.T. INELIGIBLE. The Greatest do not lose EVER on the biggest stage. Joe Montana still remains the G.O.A.T. (he never even threw an interception in a Super Bowl. Now THAT is Greatness.)

Pointing at others is easy. And is it important what somebody's gender is? Trying to live in peace with Islam has nothing to do with supporting the Sharia, and most people complaining about communism are blinded by countries who falsely claimed the title, since true communism has never the light there, since it's an utopia and an utopia cannot exist, but that doesn't mean communism is a bad ideology (as soon as "oppression" and "taking away rights and freedoms" are involved, some of the core fundamentals behind the ideals of communism have been violated, and what do we see in every country who claimed this "title"?) Also liberals, are overall strongly against communism, and focused on the "power of the individual" (while communism (hence the name) goes about the power of the community). Are you on the "wrong side"... No, merely blinded by black-white thinking!

But it's not about "right" or "wrong" sides. It's about black-white thinking and seeing the bigger picture! If everything that is not in line with Donald Trump is simply wrong, then you are thinking in the wrong way, no matter if Trump is a devil or a saint. And if something is wrong simply because it comes from the Democrat party (which looks like the current opinion, lately), then you clearly lack vision and then you only go about thinking in parties and not in actual interests.

For years I've only seen the Democrats AND the Republicans fighting. Whatever the other party says is wrong, simply because it's from the other party. Political debates are rather a kind of war propaganda against two countries about to take up their weapons. And if "No loss if the family member is a ......" is YOUR vision, then the only thing that is no loss for the world is losing you, as that is the attitude that ruins nations, and no other attitude is more destructive than that one, and THAT IS NOT MY OPINION BUT AN IRREFUTABLE COLD HARD FACT. You cannot disagree with it, you can only fail to acknowledge it, but that would then be your fault, not mine!

It doesn't matter any more if the Democrats have an agenda you can agree with or not. They DO have a vision, however you don't agree with their vision, and that is allowed in a democracy. However blowing up facts and even just stating that it's "no loss" losing people who support them, THAT is sowing the seeds of hatred in its purest form. And as long as that attitude remains, hatred will rule the U.S.A.

Sorry, but you, like some other things are just WRONG. With certain issues, there is no gray area, there is no compromise. Moral relativism is more dangerous long term than nuclear weapons. Trying to further the narrative on some topics that it is just a difference of opinion is morally reprehensible.

And then they say I see things black-white. As a rule no black or white ever exists in politics, and in which they exist are the exception which confirm the rule. Yes, there are compromises on many things. To name a few things. Trump didn't want to get rid of Obama-care because it's a bad system, but because it's a trophy of the Democrats. Of course, there are many things to be criticed about state-regulated health-care, but only using that for an argumentation, is always the wrong one. There is a lot to be said about how the Republicans are in error and how Trump is putting this to the extreme, but the problem is, that the Democrats, natural as their response may be, have become equally guilty, and with a press that is either on the Democrat or the Republican side things won't help. A modified version of Obama-care, could have been a compromise, and that is just one of the many examples I can give. And moral relativism is actually the only thing that will prevent a nuclear war from breaking out.You know why Kim-Jong-un holds tight on his nuclear weapons? Only because they feel threatened by the U.S.A. and now that Trump ended the treaty with Russia about limiting nuclear weapons Kim-Jong-un can say, who is Trump to tell me I should get rid of nuclear weapons when he himself, blah-blah-blah.... What can we do to stop Kim from actually launching a full scale attack? Only by willing to accept the situation from his side, no matter how much his reign over his country revolts you. Of course, when a threat is there, you should not look away, and you should be ready to defend your country if things still go wrong, and that may be a point of which both Republicans and Democrats are very likely in agreement about. However compromises with the enemy must also be sought, and if you lack the ability to show relativism, war is as good as guaranteed, and as long as you have that ability you have a chance to avoid it (not a guarantee, but at least a chance). The best way to win a war is to prevent it. Trump's wall is also an issue. Both in perspective of human rights as when it comes to efficiency and costs. The Democrats do not deny that there are issues with people fleeing to the U.S. from Mexico, but they don't see a solution in the wall. Of course one thing is black-white, either the wall will be there or it will not be, but when it comes to compromises, you can see if there are alternatives for the wall.
Trust me, there's always a compromise! Always!

You missed my point. My point isn't there are not compromises, my point is that there are some things that should not, ever, be compromised. eg criminal invaders should NEVER, EVER be prioritized over citizens in ANY WAY, EVER.

I didn't miss your point. You missed mine, and you missed the point behind the reality you are also in completely. First of all, what is your definition of "invader". In my definition they should ALWAYS get priority, as "invading" is an act of war threatening civilians who must be protected. Whether or not a civilian should get support by the authorities in order to study at a university, is not as urgent, don't you agree?

When it comes to illegal immigrants, as I think that's how you define "invaders", you can be surprised too. They are in situations you cannot imagine, and denying them help can make them desperate, and desperation leads to aggression and criminal activities, so giving them proper attention *is* in the end in your interest, as well. Now when it comes to black-and-white, either you kill them or you completely pamper them. You'll find out that nobody will want to pick either of these two options, so something in the middle ground will have to be sought. How to prevent these people from falling into despair without forgetting the people you already got?

You will find that now a crapload of possible solutions all with their pros and cons will open, and no "perfect solution" exists, so no you need to find out which pros are important and which cons are acceptable and which are not. And now people will have to negotiate a compromise that everyone can live with, and only then you can come to something workable, and THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT! Denying that fact will lead to the fight and an uncontrollable country, and that will undermine the stability of the nation, and nobody but "true enemies" of the nation benefit from that.

I didn't miss your point. I see you are simply blinded by believing in a black-white-approach of matters, but that is not how the world works and especially not in migration issues. And the Republicans will need the Democrats and vice versa for this issue to be properly attended to. Compromises is the very essence of democracy. Without the willingness to come to a compromise it cannot exist.

Yes, even if your "invasion" problem, there are compromises. The true problem is the willingness from both parties to open their minds for that, and that will be the biggest challenge the U.S.A. ever faced I'm afraid.... :(

No, I didn't miss your point, it is just wrong.

"when it comes to illegal immigrants"
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you don't have to anything about them if you just keep them out. Hell, I don't just want a wall. I want a wall with a moat on both sides and a mile wide mine field patrolled with drones armed with hellfire missiles.

The problem with people like you and your moral relativism is that you don't actually believe there really is evil. Evil can't be bargained with. You can't compromise with Evil without becoming Evil. And the surest way to have Evil win is to not recognize it.

As soon as people talk about "evil" I no longer take them seriously. I've met people of all shapes and sizes, including illegal immigrants and even people who did a violent robbery and one did even trade women (or is at least suspected he did), so if somebody knows that there is no such thing as "good" and "evil", it's me. We are all set up with good and bad sides, and it's basically how others judge us that labels us "good" or "evil". And when it comes to "evil can't be bargained with", the question is what "evil" means? And don't tell me that anyone can tell "good" apart from "evil", as only people as green as a pickle would think that. Yes, people who can't be bargained with do exist, but not only in the form of criminals, or terrorists, to put it bluntly, and there are people among these groups who *can* be bargained with, and be brought to reason. Also the number of criminals for whom prison is nothing more but a "professional risk" is overall pretty low compared to what prisons are filled with. And those are the cold hard lessons of life I've been confronted with many times. The fact that somebody is a threat does not mean (s)he's evil.

The term "evil" merely serves to make "good" people feel self-righteous and flatter themselves that at least they didn't "fall to evil". And when it comes to what is good or bad, then everybody will come up with a different list.

Yes, there are threats all around the world, and one mustn't look away from that. Everyone must keep an eye on them and be prepared for the worst thing that can happen, and yet, we should not call them "evil". Doing so give them a reason to deem you "evil" and your trouble is bigger than before. Every person has a story, and only when you know all personal stories you can come to proper judgment and see how "evil" people are.

You've basically exposed how green you are by beginning to talk about "evil". As long as you believe in "good" and "evil" you ain't seen anything of the world. Yes, some people have deeds on their name that are not good or even downright cruel, and yet, you cannot brand them "evil" before you actually understand the reason behind their cruelty, no matter how cruel and revolting it is. That is not relativism... It's philosophy. You know what the word means... "Love for wisdom". It's got that name for a reason, you know.

You are very funny. "Green". Yeah, I remember when I WAS green, (I used to be a Liberal Democrat) I thought like you. I bought into the same infantile moral relativism perspective. I bought into the BS that we should never judge, because what if someone judges you.

And then I grew up and acquired wisdom.

It was then I realized that acquiring life skills and knowledge is what allows someone to judge, to judge what is good and what is evil. And yes, they are real. There is no perspective on earth where the Holocaust wasn't evil, except maybe held by those who are also evil. Judging is the sign you are an adult with a functioning brain. Deferring judgment because you have no faith in your intellect in wisdom because there might be some other perspective is being a child. A child who doesn't trust their evaluation.

No one is suggesting that all errors or offense, or the people that commit them are evil, but denying that it ever is, is the most disingenuous vapid drool I can think of and makes one culpable to the evil committed.

In closing, how about a quote from someone else believing in evil, and so un-"green", compared to you, he is glowing crimson.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

NOTE: Philosophy is not "Love for wisdom", but rather, "Love OF Knowledge"

sophia = greek "wisdom"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia

Wikipedia LOL!

Sophia
fem. proper name, from Greek sophia "skill, knowledge of, acquaintance with; sound judgment, practical wisdom; cunning, shrewdness; philosophy," also "wisdom personified," abstract noun from sophos "wise" (see sophist). Saint Sophia in ancient church names and place names in the East is not necessarily a reference to a person; the phrase also is the English translation of the Greek for "divine wisdom, holy wisdom," to which churches were dedicated.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/sophia

I've been teaching history recently about the ancient Greeks where philosophy and where the word comes from, so I got it from official sources where the word comes from, plus you don't think like me, and you never did. You never acquired wisdom, you just are desperate by the bad stuff you've seen and you've radicalized, and when it comes to the Holocaust being an act of evil or not, then I can give you very long philosophy lessons behind the Holocaust in connection of the word evil, but I'll need more than 100x the max character limit for that, plus teaching you is clearly a waste of time anyway. Let's begin with that Hitler himself believed that he was doing the right thing. He wanted what we all want. A better world. He only got twisted in his desperation, with terrible consequences. The question is if he ever realized he was wrong. That's the oversimplified start of matters, already taking the Holocaust into a different perspective. Not that I'm gonna justify it, hell no... The Holocaust should never have happened, but one can only judge Hitler for that if one truly knows what he was trying to do and what he thought. I doubt people who idolize him do, by the way.

Nobody believing in "evil" is qualified to judge. Oh, and I am NOT a liberal. On the contrary I hate liberalism. Clearly shows that you don't even know what liberalism stands for, so you once again confirmed how "green" you are, and how much you know. You are a bit clouded since the liberal Democrat party is the only alternative for the extremely conservative Republican party in the U.S.A. aren't you. The political spectrum outside the U.S.A. is actually much bigger than that.

And actually I came to my conclusions through the hard lessons life taught me. I've enjoyed the sweet taste of riches, and endured the bitter pain of poverty. And actually that's just the tip of the iceberg, of what I experienced. Don't think you once thought like me, out of being "green". I am a point I found out stuff not even the best teacher in the world can teach you.

Nobody ever got any better by trying to keep their own yard clean and point at others. That's weak. And currently both the Democrats and the Republicans do it and their voters too, and the US suffers solely because of that. That was the main point of the meme. And what do I see in reply. Confirmation of the me. Republicans only trying to point in how wrong the Democrats are, and using terms like "evil" to make a point. Oh, brother!

First of all, being ignorant, you are in denial.
Fact: Philosophy from Philo (the love OF) and Sophia (knowledge)
Try to follow along, that means "the love OF knowledge" so I don't care who lied to you.

Secondly, even trying to spin the Holocaust as a good thing from Hitler's perspective, means you are either yourself evil, or incapable of understanding

"There is no perspective on earth where the Holocaust wasn't evil, except maybe held by those who are also evil"

Anyone failing to identify evil is incapable of judgement, and likely why you don't want any of us adults judging, so you can continue with your destructive infantile behavior.

Additionally, your continuing strawman-ing my actual positions shows you have no honesty.

In any case, it also shows you are incapable of learning and acquiring wisdom, and therefore explaining things to you is pointless.

Good day sir.

You haven't identified my problem. Trust me, I've tons of problems and weaknesses, and I've never been afraid to admit them, and you named none of them. In stead you keep on trying to show "how wrong I am", and that confirms the problem. Stop pointing at me! Stop pointing at anybody else.

And as long as you believe in "good" and "evil" you cannot identify my problem, nor even your own, for that matter, so it's only natural you go all out at me, because I am confronting you with that.

And now you want to accept that I am doing "evil things"? Who do you think you are? God? Only if God is what you truly are, you could be able to define "good" and "evil", not a single mortal being can do that, since "evil" is a matter of opinion.

Even in the Holocaust, you mention. There are people out there, who see the Holocaust as an act of heroism, as the eradication of evil. Of course I don't agree with them, and neither do you, and I hope the majority disagrees with them, as the entire event revolts me, but still, if I call the Holocaust an "act of evil", all I'd be doing is voicing an opinion, and not a fact. That also brings us to the term "hero".... As subjective as the term "evil". Watched to much movies, where "good prevailed over evil"? Or read too many fairy tales, were "good" is rewarded and "evil" is always punished? Or too many children stories, where people are being evil for evil's sake? Yeah, I like to watch those movies and read those stories too. I got a collection of Disney movies right here, and they are great to me for entertainment or when I need to set my brain to rest a little (at least for me), but this is reality! And in reality, there is no good or evil. Only people who try to live in line with their own sense of what they can and can't do.

And when it comes to good and evil, I like something said by Blaise Pascal which roughly means: "He who tries to play an angel, will ultimately play the devil". And I think (although that's an opinion, not a fact), that Pascal was right on that one.

And why are you responding to me? Because deep down you know I've though this through better than you want to accept, and you're desperately trying to prove me wrong, in order to feel great (another subjective term, btw). You feel insulted, simply because you refuse to face the only fact there is about "evil", and that's that "evil" holds neither fact nor formula nor definition, and that what is "evil" and what is not, is only in they who judge. Nothing more

I'm not in denial. YOU ARE! First of all you contradict script written by people professionally trained, but let's drop that subject, since you won't listen to facts anyway, and that brings me also to the question how I can bring you to listen to reason, when you deem me in denial for stuff. Next anyone failing to identify evil does not exist, as something that is as subjective as "evil" can never exist, except for what people claim it to be, and since everybody has a different perspective of "evil", it cannot be a "real" thing. Plus, when you've gone through the things I have, you'll learn that every living being have strong and weak sides, and words like "good" and "evil" have gone to play a strong part, mainly as a cover for our own sins (in which I must note that the word "sin" is basically as subjective as "evil") Objective facts can be acknowledged, but since "evil" has neither fact nor formula nor definition, it cannot be acknowledged. Your position is that your opinions are facts and that anybody disagreeing with them is dishonest or otherwise evil, AND IS YOUR PROBLEM AND YOUR PROBLEM ALONE. Once that requires professional help actually, to be honest.

And all my messages prove explaining things to me helps. I came up with this by analyzing MANY explanations. For me nothing is crazy, or odd in the deepest meaning of those words. Everybody is "normal" how much they differ from what you are used to see. Only with that perspective you can even HOPE to understand the way the world goes, and the point is that I did not even dictate my political opinions to you, except for noting I hate liberalism, but I didn't tell why.

My message is clear: Stop pointing to each other and learn to come to an agreement, even when you won't get further than a compromise and get rid of "us" and "they". People who agree with you for 100% don't exist, no matter who or what you are, so if you declare people you disagree with (like me or the libarals in your case) like "evil" or "morons" or "waste of time to talk to", then you lock up all conversation and possibilities to come to solutions. All you do is build a wall around yourself. I admit that compromises are never the best solutions, but by only standing for your own opinion, even deeming them facts, and not allowing other views to be considered and come to a proper compromise you won't get a solution at all, and you'll only create a new problem.

Poor you!

… why am I doing this? (replying, … again?)

Oh, you are positively in denial. It isn't even a debate that Philosophy means "love OF knowledge" and not "love for wisdom". That is most definitely a fact and not my opinion at all. Linguistic experts world wide agree. look at any etymological definition. by greek scholars. Just because your anecdotal source got it wrong, likely because A.) they don't know the distinction between the English "knowledge" and the English "wisdom" nor B.) Understand the difference between the English prepositions "for" and "of" doesn't change that fact. And that is what it is, a fact. Facts don't care that you disagree because some anecdotal guy somewhere told you differently and instead of checking on it, you went along.

So why AM I replying again after "Good Day!"???

Because you'll be happy to know I've identified your problem. It wasn't obvious to me, but it should have been. And while I minored in Psych to my major of Biochem, I am not a practicing psych professional.

What you are exhibiting is a coping mechanism. A defense mechanism if you like. Having done some things that may have been evil yourself, you deny the existence of evil as a defense from self loathing over those evils. So instead of accepting the things you've done that are evil, because that would reflect on you and working to balance the scales in some way, you deny evil and write it off as lapses of judgment. This is common with people who have lived parts of their lives doing questionable things. Otherwise they can't accept themselves. No one WANTS to admit they have acted evilly, but nothing cn truly be fixed until they come to terms with that truth.

Your message:
"My message is clear: Stop pointing to each other and learn to come to an agreement, even when you won't get further than a compromise …"
is clear, … clearly wrong. It is exactly what Burke warned us about, good men doing nothing instead of identifying evil and combatting it.

I require no pity of yours, after all, it is you who is in denial over your own acts of evil, and trying to deny the existence of evil in order to live with yourself.

Now THAT, is truly sad. I hope some day you can be well.

The biggest threat to any nation is when a nation's own people are in such a disagreement like the voters for BOTH the Democrats and the Republicans currently are.

If any enemy at all would ever want to take over the U.S.A all he has to do is make sure the fight between these two will only get fiercer and more extreme and will eventually escalate into civil war. Hey, wait, isn't that what Russia is currently being accused of? Well, it doesn't really matter if that accusation is true or not. The point is, if any enemy wants, they don't have to make their hands dirty themselves anymore, just make sure people do this himself (demonstrated in the comic story: Asterix and the Roman Agent, and you'll see what I mean).

Trump can't make America great again! Not as long as he attacks the Democrats the way he does. Nor can the democrats make America great again as long all they do is trying to fight the republicans. It's not that I agree with the republicans... heavens no! But they can only make America great again if they combine their powers and find compromises for their differences in opinions and visions. It's for a reason that the Belgian motto on their coat of arms is "L'union fait la force", which roughly translates into "Unity makes power".

Now when I see people respond to this meme with "whiners" and "it's because of the evil Democrats/liberals/communists/whatever...." I know I see people yelling who are the reason that world peace cannot exist.

Accept that people are different! Accept that you cannot always get what you want from politicians, no matter how hard you want them to make promises they simply cannot keep (lying politicians are often the result of the errors of the voters! Goes for all parties world-wide), no matter how much they want to. And yes, politicians have power, and power corrupts, nothing new under the sun, and if you think it's only in the party you don't agree with, such things happen, you need a wake-up-call yourself.

And the biggest threat to the U.S.A. is not the Islam, nor ISIS, nor Russia, nor China. At this moment the biggest threat to the U.S.A. is the American people fighting each other over being a democrat or a republican and this fight going into the extreme.

I wonder... If Washington could see what the U.S.A has become, what would he say?

Failure to identify what is truly evil is much more dangerous.

Spoken as a true prophet of war. "Us" and "them". "We" are good, and "they" are evil. And if you really want to identify I think most Americans should leave the US, give it back to the Native-Americans and live like Europeans do, as that is for most Americans their TRUE identity, but most 'fail' (read: are unwilling to) accept that. Believing in "We" and "Them" is what gives us a reason to fight. That and nothing else! And that is what your image of identification is! When there is no "We" and "Them" then we cannot fight after all. Who is "we" and who is "them"? "We" Christians and "they" Muslims? "We" Americans and "They" rest of the world? "We" Republicans and "they" Democrats? It's only human nature to want to belong to a group and to identify themselves with that group and to fight to all who have an "other" identity, and all it proves is that we are not on any greater level than cavemen or even wild animals, as their issues go over the same bloody thing.
I'm afraid that the day people like YOU realize this will only come when the aliens come to Earth with war intensions, but in the end, then it's "us" humans against "them" aliens, so the same primitive fight all over.

And what does the U.S. stand for? Freedom? Free as long as you are not Mexican, Muslim or Liberal? Oh wait, the first is just a matter of where you were born, the second your religion, and the last a political vision/ideology. That idea of "freedom" violates the right of nationality, religion and political views, and the latter is also a violation of democracy.

Do I lack identity? No. I know who I am and I use my 'real' name on this site (although a space before the "B" is required, okay). I take no pride in the country in which I was born, but I do identify myself with it, and even more with the province I came from, although my political views are not based on something as trivial as identity, but rather on seeing problems and wanting solutions for them. I am a realist and that's also my identity.

Identity is only the mark of what you are or who you are and maybe what you make out of it yourself. But if you take pride in identity, don't take the identity away of others, no matter if that identity is "Democrat", "Muslim", "Mexican", "Gay", "Transgender", "Impaired" or whatever you can name. And that is precisely what I see most people being protective over "identity" do, and THAT is actually the threat we are facing.

Some positions are unworthy of respect, among them:
1.) killing babies
2.) prioritizing criminal invader rights over citizen's
3.) believing there are more than 4 genders (male, female, intersex, and none) with intersex and non being so statistically insignificant they can almost be said not to exist.
4.) Reparations
5.) abolishing the E.C.
6.) Lowering Voting age to 16
7.) Letting Felons vote
8.) Letting Biological males compete on girl's teams/sports and reset their records
9.) Packing the Supreme Court
10.) Agreeing with Va**nabumSouffle on anything

I'd rather have friends I disagree with than no friends.

All you're doing is delaying the inevitable. The rabid leftist media will keep pushing their lies, until the opposition finally submits or they blow it into civil war.

It's important for people to find the truth NOW before it comes to blows.

Like the people on "the other side" are always right....

Yes, because some people are cry baby losers.