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Not like he didn't answere any questions personally or that he tried to manipulate the witnesses and withhold key information. Sometimes you should read the report before commenting on it.

It's really simple - $40M with over 2 years and a team of angry Democrats simply couldn't find anything that supported the BS claims. They had all the resources possible, and came up empty handed. Get it through your head or forever have TDS.

Of course. There is nothing substantial about "Had there been enough evidence to exonerate Trump (of Obstruction) we would have done so" Mueller explicitly left that decision for Congress. But if I present you any sort of evidence I am obviously triggered and whining. Justbread the bloody damn report. Its not as Trump friendly as you think.

Correct - there's nothing substantial about it because it's not Mueller job to "exonerate." That's a BS liberal construct. Special counsels don't exonerate. That's a CNN talking point. He either has enough evidence to recommend indictment, or he doesn't. There's no authority or mandate to declare innocence, which is virtually impossible to prove a negative. If they could have, they would have. They didn't. It's a binary choice. There's no third option where Mueller opines about being not able to prove innocence. That's not how it works in this country.

"Correct - there's nothing substantial about it because it's not Mueller job to "exonerate." That's a BS liberal construct. Special counsels don't exonerate"

Yes therefore Trump saying "Total exoneration" is total Bullshit

"There's no third option where Mueller opines about being not able to prove innocence."

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment,” the report said.

It later went on to say that Mueller thought the decision lay with Congresd

"It later went on to say that Mueller thought the decision lay with Congresd"

Mueller was wrong.

Gosh, what a stupid reply.
Go back to sleep.

Again, I read it, I didn't see any claims "that key information" was withheld...Trump wasn't as friendly as you think? How friendly was supposed to be to an investigation that stemmed from political partisanship based on unsubstantiated claims of collusion? Was he supposed to be Mueller's buddy?

"Again, I read it, I didn't see any claims "that key information" was withheld"

If you read it then you definitely know that the report is more damaging to Trump than you let on. He's tried a lot to undermine the investigation and according to the report, its only his incompetence and the unwillingness of the people around him that saved him from a clear verdict which I find hilarious

"Trump wasn't as friendly as you think"

No you f**king moron. The report wasn't Trump-Friendly. It wasn't friendly towards Trump. It was damaging towards Trump. Boy are you an idiot.

I misread the friendly claim...I thought it said "Trump wasn't friendly to Mueller."

Other than that, there is no claim in the report that Trump overtly tried to undermine the investigation. There is no such claim. There are 10 instances listed by Mueller that say could be construed as obstruction of justice, and they are flimsy at best.

"If you read it then you definitely know that the report is more damaging to Trump than you let on."

Aww look, little boy, did you have to move the goal post from your original claim that "key information was withheld"? Yeah, you did. Sad day.

The report does really no damage to Trump, even the Democrat leadership has stated there are no chances for impeachment based on the repor

The report also completely obliterates all the liberal talking points about collusion, Trump being a Putin puppet etc.

But you keep on believing hype.

"I misread the friendly claim...I thought it said "Trump wasn't friendly to Mueller.""

Alright fair enough. I do apologise for any insults levied

"Other than that, there is no claim in the report that Trump overtly tried to undermine the investigation."

He never tried to curtail the investigation, he never ordered Mueller fired only for his people to disregard his orders, he never told Jeff sessions to take over or end the investigation. He never tried to tamler with any witnesses. He answered very clearly ONLY using some for of "I don't recall" 30 times. He also never sat down for any sort of interview. The President was resistant at best, Obstructionist at worst.

"Aww look, little boy, did you have to move the goal post from your original claim that "key information was withheld"? Yeah, you did. Sad day."

Well, I do have to admit that I may have embellished a bit. The documents I refer to very (As far as I can remember) minor in importance (Phone numbers, minor records, that stuff). And I do admit that I did attempt to dodge the question, but I am adressing it now. And I shall endeavour not to do so again

"The report does really no damage to Trump"

The report established that various russian agents attempted to penetrate the Trump Campaign, only for their incompetence (That of the Trump Campaign) to stop them, saving them from Collusion(a word Which has no clear legal definition) It established that Trump was well aware that Russia was gonna benefit from a Trump Admin and that Trump would benefit from a releas of Hilaries Emails by Russian Hackers. While Truml didn't do anything, thats lime saying, A gang just killed the guy with whom I had been fighting over the ownership of a Billion dollar company. I didn't do anything but i benefited from it. If anything it just goes to show the unpatriotic behaviour of the Trump admin. Though perhaps I shouldn't judge since I am German and can't really claim Patriotism for America. Additionally we got clear evidence that multiple people in the Trump Campaign were approached by Russian agents seeking to deliver dirt on Hillary

"even the Democrat leadership has stated there are no chances for impeachment based on the report"

Mate I don't know. There are 14 cases which were handed over to the judiciary branch. Twelve of which are secret, last I heard. So idk

Of course he was resistant so an investigation predicated on falsities, wouldn't anyone be?

Lets just jump to your third paragraph. No one disputes that Russia attempted to manipulate the election, but again that fact, which has been known well since before Mueller arrived, has no impact to Trump after Mueller. Beyond that there is no evidence that Russia altered the outcome. Hence, arguing that Trump benefited from Russian actions, which he did not participate in, does reflect badly on him. It reflects badly on Russia. The same logic would apply to Russian's approaching Trump campaign staffers. It would look bad if Trump campaign staffers went out and initiated contacts with Russians, but that didn't happen. Bad actors sought them out. Again not a reflection on Trump but Russia.

As to the remaining cases, we don't know what they are investigating or who they are investigating. They could be anybody, including Obama/Clinton related parties like we saw with Mueller referring the case against Greg Craig who was Obama's former White House counsel.

Nothing in the report looks bad on Trump, unless of course you already thought Trump was guilty of being scummy.

"It would look bad if Trump campaign staffers went out and initiated contacts with Russians, but that didn't happen"

Well there were Multiple people who attrmpted to initiate contact with the Russians on Trumps Campaign. Only their incompetence saved them. For example Michael Cohen attempted to establish contact with Russian aide to the Minister of Energy or something on multiple occasions and attempted to organize a meeting between Trump and Putin. Only his cartoonish incompetence saved him from defrauding the US of A. As you would have found out had you read the bloody damn thing.

But never mind if

""If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment,”

doesn't sound damning or damaging thats okay.

Michael Cohen? That's your final straw to grasp at? You're now citing the least credible witness of all. Even Mueller wouldn't rely on Cohen's testimony, further Cohen has now been recorded recanting his acknowledgment of guilt on multiple charges. The guy would simply say anything to anyone in order to save his hide.

That final line you quote you cite was to Obstruction, not collusion. Trump was cleared of all collusion allegations. And to obstruction, it's unclear if a crime was committed, and judging from Democrat leadership, they are not sure they could get the verdict they want, which is why they aren't proceeding with impeachment in spite of Mueller's Report.

"Michael Cohen?"

Hey, there are telephone transcripts that Support his testimony, its just they also paint him as an incompetent schmuck. so... *Shrugs*2

"That final line you quote you cite was to Obstruction, not collusion. Trump was cleared of all collusion allegations"

Yes, althoug Collusion doesn't have a clear legal definition, but summing it up, the El Presidenté didn't work with the Russians, but knew about it and didn't do anything.

"We didn't do anything, we are good men" Trump 2020

"And to obstruction, it's unclear if a crime was committed, and judging from Democrat"

Look, I know you really like Trump, and to be honest the guy SOMEHOW managed to become President so he has to have some sort of appeal. So I understand if your rather defensive about this, but try to look at it this way. Mueller said had he been able to, he would have exonerated Trump, but he didn't and left the decision to Congress. Now what does that tell you. It tells you Trump is tethering on the line between Obstruction and innocence and you need to have done SOMETHING for you to be tethering on that line. So Trump may not be the good man you imagine him to be.

It's kinda hard to obstruct the investigation into a non-existent crime. You should read Alan Dershowitz and his view of the Obstruction claims.

Even if Trump was innocent, it was still a federal investigation. You can obstruct that

What "key information was withheld"? I read most of the report, I didn't see that claim.

Well thats summing it up. But yeah