FYI to Senate Democrats

Correct! It is impossible to answer an accusation without hearing the details of what you are being accused of. And this is true both criminally and politically.

So i'm guessing that doesn't really apply anymore

That without obama making it legal, maybe it wouldn't have happened. Maybe. No president should have that power.... that's the point.

oh, because Trump did not have the power to just say NO.... ef you

come now, we've spoken before and actually been polite. I know you have it in you.

Of course he could say no, so could Obama, but the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak. My view is country, not party, because what's best for the party is rarely best for the country. And I think we can agree that this is not best for the country.

come now, we've spoken before and actually been polite.""" You get an upvote, and fair warning its the weekend and it means Im drinking, and likely to get mean... but you are on my list of "dont be a dick to..... " unlike grind

As a show of good will i'm upvoting your "ef you". I'll begin drinking soon and my posting will stop - alcohol plus autocorrect typically makes gibberish.

and I think you missed the part where I said *no* president should have that power...green party too. I don't know how to put the genie back in, but i'm hoping that we actually can.

We agree.. however, that power came from 2001 with the Patriot Act... so...

Which i also disagree with.

I don't mean to alarm you, but this is the second time we've agreed on something. Yes, i'm keeping count

ps I know you would as we all would, have it simple, but the reality is ... https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/reports/2016/04/01/134494/are-u-s-drone-strikes-legal/

We're for drone strikes, we're against drone strikes, now we're for them again... makes me dizzy. Yes, the world is complex and drone strikes are an important tool, i just have no trust of our government to always do what's right

I have no proof of this to share, so you can call me a liar if you like. Years ago, under obama, there was a contract posting on fbo.gov for supporting military drone flights over the US. it was a 5 year contract that ended with 1500+ flights per year, and that was years ago. How many flights are going on now? Who can say.

yea, 10 years before Obama.. it all changed on 9/11

My govt trust level is low. Drones over US + president able to kill terrorists (that he decides are terrorists) = a bad time

Note that i didn't specify party

you brought 'party' up... i never did so..

I did bring up obama, but only because he started us down this road. Again, for the record, no president should have been able to do this... but i'm sure if it wasn't obama it would have been someone else. Again, govt trust low...

Hey... its legal to kill black people again... so lets do it... this is why we need MORAL people in office..

I missed that particular executive order.

And we need people in office much better in all aspects than we've had in the lasttwo decades. Maybe if we could get past left vs right and being played by the parties we could. Until then, i doubt it.

Jan 29, 2017, Trump ordered the drone strike that killed al-Awlaki's 8 year old daughter. Reckon that answers your question.

Sure you'll blame that one on Obama also.

How do you know? Did it come out at his trial? Either citizens deserve the right to constitutional protections, or they don't. Personally, I'd rather trump not be able to kill whomever he wants by calling them a terrorist, but we're each allowed our own opinions.

What trial?

Personally you'd rather hold Obama to a different standard than Trump. But that's to be expected, hypocrisy is one of the tenets of your cult.

You're making assumptions about my political affiliations when I've said nothing in defense of trump. You seem to be letting anger cloud your judgment. No president should be allowed to kill a citizen. How is that holding trump to a different standard? I will say that obama started this, because he did. If trump had started it i would be making the same statements against him.

Trump decided antifa was a terrorist organization...i don't believe trump has the right to kill them without trial. If you're going to say it's ok for obama but not for trump, then we can agree on hypocrisy

I'm making assumptions but then you continue on how it's Obama's fault.
Skip the, "But ma, Jimmy did it first" nonsense and grow up.

I'm saying it because it's true. If you don't accept that, it's OK - it's not my job to help you see.

See what?

And what trial?

That Obama let the genie out. It took Holder to justify it, and it hadn't happened before, so it started with him. Obama did things that were good for the country, and he did things that were bad, and this was one of the bad ones.

An American citizen, accused of a crime, should be able to defend themselves. With the advent of super-secret courts we now have people being tried and found guilty all without knowing what they did (which I also have a problem with) but they are at least tried and not just executed. As American citizens we should not be afraid that the government is going to decide we're a terrorist and simply kill us. Slippery slope argument? Of course.

"But Obama..."
Yes, you're impartial. *rolls eyes*

Capturing him would have been next to impossible (hence why it wasn't done), and would have cost the lives of many more, including possibbly that of our soldiers.

I have no qualms about that terrorist dying, other than he couldn't suffer more while doing it.

Out goverment kills citizens all the time, innocent of crimes even, no less. BLM ring any bells? Black Panthers? AIM?
Look into what we used to do to Filipinos, Puerto Ricans, people in Tuskegee, and Native Americans - all American citizens - without due process. That slope has been slipped long ago, slicked up with some lovely grease.

Ah, but how many of those were ordered by the president? Surely you're not claiming presidential involvement on all of those. When the highest position in power decides life or death there's something wrong. You can disagree, if we didn't have differing opinions then this would be a boring place. I also shed no tears for a terrorist... but I'd like proof that he was besides "the president says so". That shouldn't be so much to ask... or do we trust trump now?

"Ah, but how many of those were ordered by the president? Surely you're not claiming presidential involvement on all of those. When the highest position in power decides life or death there's something wrong. You can disagree, if we didn't have differing opinions then this would be a boring place. I also shed no tears for a terrorist... but I'd like proof that he was besides "the president says so". That shouldn't be so much to ask... or do we trust trump now?"

None. Totally 'oblivious' as usual. Reagan wasn't aware he started the crack epidemic to give Iran arms to fund his beloved Peace Keepers in Nicaragua either. Like Trump, he was just that stupid and senile.

Andrew Jackson killed thousands of Native Americans by ordering the Army to march them to Oklahoma despite a Supreme Court order for him not to do so, he's a hero. Obama gets a terrorist, and the right is crying over due process.

Lol... again with the "right", but that's ok. For the record, if a person gets a ballot and votes all d or r they're clearly too lazy to do research and probably shouldn't be voting.

Anyway, if it doesn't bother you then that's ok with me - i'm sure there's things that keep you up that shouldn't faze me. But, it seems we've maybe reached the end of our conversation, sadly enough - i was enjoying it. I mean, unless you think we missed something. Glad you toned down the whatever it was you started with (my "cult" i believe?).

"Lol... again with the "right", but that's ok. For the record, if a person gets a ballot and votes all d or r they're clearly too lazy to do research and probably shouldn't be voting.

Anyway, if it doesn't bother you then that's ok with me - i'm sure there's things that keep you up that shouldn't faze me. But, it seems we've maybe reached the end of our conversation, sadly enough - i was enjoying it. I mean, unless you think we missed something. Glad you toned down the whatever it was you started with (my "cult" i believe?)."

And we wrap this one up with a basic, "I'm not a, BUT HOW DARE YOU!?!"

It's like nearly all the alt righters here claim to have voted for Obama, but were displeased. And now they're possessed. A sort of play on, "Some of my best friends are..."

We can't go out with that. The hatred on both sides made me look at things differently, and it seems like a lot of people do now. I didn't vote for obama and i think he was democrat trump, but that's my opinion. If you want to believe i'm alt right or whatever, then so be it, it makes no difference to me. The world is so filled with hate for the sake of hate - maybe if we could stop with labels and listen - but whatever.

What did i call you that you were offended? I don't remember anything.

That is true for criminal prosecutions. We're not talking about a criminal prosecution here.

And yet, you have no idea what the 2nd is all about, but thanks for playing.

Love to hear you explain it.