I'm just.... asking questions.

No Democrats don't think that, just some protesters. On the other hand the head of the Republican party - Trump, does think that. His base mistakes this for straight talk, or for not being politically correct.

lol

Gosh, I love being me!

ugh. we are perfectly sane. stop discriminating! :(

That's not how real liberals talk. That's how SJWs talk! lol

I'm being quite honest. I'm very far left and I don't talk like that. Only a hypocritical SJW would! XD

You don't say much, but if you understand what they're doing is wrong, then I don't care if you're left or right, I wouldn't mind having a conversation with you. Problem with a lot of these "liberals," which I don't know why you want to associate with, is that conversation with them is impossible.

Look at the other liberals commenting on here. They "still" do not get it. I'm not questioning the "morality" of these people's protest. I'm directly questioning the causality of it and effectiveness of it. Do these people not realize what they're doing is having an opposite effect? That was the point, which they're too triggered to realize.

Looking at their replies it is the typical:
- well right wingers do it too
- well you're low class!
- well blah blah blah.

But NOT one addresses themselves and realize what they're doing is wrong and it is not working out for them, except you. You seem to know what they're doing is wrong.

I see. And still, I'm far left, I'm quite anti-Trump, and I think protesting like that won't convince anyone. If they're ever going to convince anyone, they must act more professional and logical. They must be less vague and actually explain why Trump is a bad president. People protesting like that is going to make liberals look bad. We already have the overly politically correct (not to mention hypocritical) SJWs making liberals look bad as it is! They must give convincing arguments! Not weird, vague insults and giant Trump baby balloons.

But look at those incredibly logical and fact based arguments they're making!

f**k you hypocrite right wing jackass facists...

lol

Politics is a circle not a line. No difference between far left and far right

No difference between the far left and the far right? As a far left person, I think you're full of shit. The far left and far right have opposite beliefs and values. The far right are cruel and bigoted. The far left stand for equality and freedom. I find the fact that you can't tell the difference pretty sad.

The far left don't promote bigotry and mass genocide. The far right do, you moron.

Alright. I did over exaggerate there. Sorry about that. But please tell me how the far left and far right are the same. I really want to know what makes you think that.

Both trash people who have different views & are intolerant. They become a club and have fewer contacts and friendships outside of their views. The best examples are right wing Hitler and communist Stalin. Both abused their people, made s government cult and were especially brutal to opposition. They even hated each other although they could have been political cousins.

Something tells me that you don't understand what being far-left means. No offense. But still.

"Fascism is naturally a far-right belief. And fascism is a pretty evil system. And what do the far-left stand for? Socialism, communism, etc. And there's nothing really bad about the idea of those systems themselves. It's just that the leaders who claim to be socialist, communist, etc, are just posers who are actually far-right. So, in other words, no. Both sides are not the same. You're just confused."

But DrS is not. Communists have always been conservative. Just look at any of those countries from the very beginnings of implementation. They actively supressed liberty, individuality, and anything remotely progressive or radical. From Stalin to Castro to Pol Pot and the rest, that's the first thing they set about doing.

Both also went about invading other countries, expanding territory, all in the name of spreading their idealogy for the 'greater good'

And how is it that facism is bad and communism not? They're victims would disagree - if they could,,,

Listen. Communism was never done correctly. Ever. Communism is about everyone living equal in a classless society. All of those leaders however, were too greedy, selfish, and cruel to be real communists.

Sorry. I just had to.

Fascism is naturally a far-right belief. And fascism is a pretty evil system. And what do the far-left stand for? Socialism, communism, etc. And there's nothing really bad about the idea of those systems themselves. It's just that the leaders who claim to be socialist, communist, etc, are just posers who are actually far-right. So, in other words, no. Both sides are not the same. You're just confused.

Since when was false equivalency a sufficient justification to dismiss both sides of an argument when the Republicans control both Houses of Congress and the Presidency despite the Mueller investigation yielding roughly twenty indictments and five former Trump staffers pleading guilty to federal charges? Oh, that's right, why let facts get in the way of an idiotic argument?

Republicans do not control Congress. The “freedom caucus” of Libertarians who snuck into the GOP do not allow disbandment of liberal laws like Obamacare nor immigration reform, or further borrowing. So we really have 3 factions

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Listen. Communism was never done correctly. Ever. Communism is about everyone living equal in a classless society. All of those leaders however, were too greedy, selfish, and cruel to be real communists.

"DJFox

JUST BECAUSE WORLD LEADERS SUCK AT IT DOESN'T MAKE COMMUNISM ITSELF A BAD THING.

Sorry. I just had to."

Communism was never done correctly because it can't be. Humans are a social species, and thus hierarchal, and thus class oriented. It's simply instinctive.
Even non-social species have hierarchies. This small bear just won't tread near that bigger one's territory. That bigger one goes where it wants. Then he gets older, feebler, gets ill, and then another bear attacks him and off to some far off place to eat worms instead of salmon he goes to wither and die.

"Communism is about everyone living equal in a classless society."

Without the incentive of reward or upward mobility, drive stifles. Production amongst workers is less productive. You're going to toil hard while a lazy slouch doesn't right next to you on the assembly line just to get treated the same at the end of a monotonous day?

The only way Marxism can work is as it has, in small scale communities like kibuttzes such as in Israel. They've even had them started by Marxist Jewish settlers in Argentina. Those communities are shrinking as newer generations go for higher educations and better jobs in cities. Co-op apartments started right here in the Bronx with Jewish people living communally, sharing responsibilities. Yes, idealistic with Marxism, they were dedicated. Later generations saw oppurtunities outside of their cluster of buildings, and now such groups are gone.

People can dedicate themselves on a small scale, but there's no compelling following generations to be so motivated.
They work from within. They cannot work when imposed from above, and certainly not on a massive scale.

I know that communism can never be done correctly no matter what you do. That's why I'm not a communist (I'm a democratic socialist, in case you were wondering). I'm just trying to say that the idea itself isn't evil. That's all.

Oh. I understand. Let me explain something. Stalin was not liberal at all. He wasn't a real communist at all. It's a very far spread misconception. Stalin was a hypocrite and a fascist. In fact, there has been a long history of world leaders who claimed to be socialists and communists, but actually are fascists and autocrats. Real liberals stand against intolerance, autocracy, and fascism.

But that's the point.

Marxist ideology may seem radically left, but those supposedly implementing it never are. Like any head of goverment or politician, such is just a means to rally the masses, blinding them with a doctrine they adhere to, telling them that even glaring misteps are mere bumps to be tweeked later, or just necessary sacrifices to steer society on the right course in the long term.

"Yeah, I tore up the lawn real bad, but wait till you see the new sod, it'll be lovely in a few weeks..."

Leaders meanwhile are about their own selfish needs, just like anyone. They veer towards what is familiar and in their own interest, utilizing their position and the mechanisms in place to create the world as they will, which curiously always jusat happens to be in their image, their beckoning smile a beaming light blessing the adulating minions,,,

Yeah. I know. It is quite sad. That's the reason why I'm not a communist. It can never be done right. Believing that communism will be done right eventually is pretty much beating a dead horse at this point.

Pure communism requires full faith and selflessness by everyone to their true abilities. But in reality too many bulk it, too many become less productive, and too many rise to leadership to get perks no one else can have. So my point is still that there is no difference

"DrSarcasm

Pure communism requires full faith and selflessness by everyone to their true abilities. But in reality too many bulk it, too many become less productive, and too many rise to leadership to get perks no one else can have. So my point is still that there is no difference"

It can be said all political sytems end up the same sooner or later. Those in higher ranks seeking to climb ever higher while closing their ranks to others entering, sytems become rigid, and power protected. Reigns of goverment, economy, society in their ever increasing grip, and it becomes a fiefdom rigged solely for their own benefit. Crumbs get fewer, the masses get hungry, and it's revolution time again. And then the reset, starting the cycle again.

Communism is idealistic to a point past naive, relying on that selflessness, something people are incapable of. Life is, after all, by its very nature, selfish.

Socialism seems dandy save for the fact that it breeds an ever increasing sense of entitlement from ever spoiled and increasingly uninispired and thus unproductive masses with an ever declining ability to pay to sustain the system.

Our Capitalistic Republic ideals are also susceptiable to all the above, and aspects of such have steadily been encroaching since the get go. Even our checks and balances aren't immune from corruption. But a dependence on profitabilty, sired by innovation and the need for a consumer base willing to buy plus that same base willing to yell in the public sphere for what it wants keeps it flowing and folks productive. Values swing left and right and find common ground or keep each other in check and hopefully tomorrow we will all be ok.
So while it has its fault, it's the most sensible and fair-ish and more capable of righting itself from within.

Been feeling sick, I'm rambling like a pretentious idiot, not sure where I'm going, forgive for repeating myself or what you already have said.

No need to stoop to that, DrScarcasm didn't resort to name calling with you, even after you did.

Which is feedom, which is bigotry - all that is a matter of perspective,,,
Folks tend to think those not in agreement with them are in the wrong, as opposed to often just variations (oft relatively minute) in values.

And from the middle or from the outside, yes, it's the same Team A vs Team B yapping self righteous grandstanding...

And from viewpoint of* the middle or from the outside, ...

I'm still having trouble figuring out why people in the middle see the far left and the far right as the same. Well, what I think is the reason why is the bad image liberals have been given in the recent years. Maybe when people in the middle think of liberals, they think of SJWs and feminazis. Those kind of people are not real liberals, but many mistaken them to be what people on the far left are like. So, in other words, the people in the middle are simply confused. They see liberals as overly politically correct idiots who think only woman and minority groups deserve rights and heterosexual white men don't. I dunno. That's just my theory. I really hate SJWs and feminazis. Not only that they are hypocritical and obnoxious, but they give all liberals a nasty image. So, you do you think? Does my theory seem true?

Those may seem like extreme fringes, but they're nothing new. They're what drives any movement. You want 60, you ask for 75, hoping they'll compromise and give you at least 55. Women were burning bras back in the 60s and 70s. Marches weren't about cheery smiles, they were about near revolution strength anger. It was even reflected in Sci Fi: scenarios of post-Apocalyptic men hating Amazon civilizations in outer space was all the, um, rage. Same with anti war, civil rights, class warfare, etc, - as seen in Planet of the Apes and all in its wake...

Rads on the two fake sides yap for whatever, get some cute speeches promising nothing and a cookie to munch on on the way home.
In the meantime, their stalwart representatives diligently work for the good of crony interests. A minute fraction of their constituencies may make occasional phone calls, but business backers sign checks.

Stances are hypocritical too. Abortion bad, but war and capital punishment good. War and executions bad, but let's get rid of 'mistakes' made by those who don't know how to take ownership of their loins prior, as long as they're not animals on a farms that should instead be turned into petting zoos. That neither 'side' stops to notice the inconsistencies in their beliefs shows how little thought they put into their positions, mindless to their own hypocrisy.

But that's not what matters. What matters is as abortion is on the verge of being illegalized never after half a century and the poor will be rescued and a way will be found to return manufacturing to our shores by somehow eventually counteracting gov't created incentives to leave, we have two factions duking it out over the keyboard, threatening civil war with paintball guns on the nearest Walmart parking lot on Black Thursday.

I'm sorry, but I am having trouble understanding what you're trying to tell me.

Political parties have become religions for supposed polar opposite sides who blind themselves to their own inconsistencies.
Both sides are not that disimilar, and in the end have mostly the same wants.

It's basic divide and conquer: getting them to hiss at each other while their rich reps get rich by scrwing them with no threats from below.

Yeah. I think I see what you're telling me now. Democrats and Republicans, despite having different values here and there, are becoming quite similar now. I still think that my theory might be correct. Some people tend to not like liberals because of the far spread misconceptions.

Sibling marriages

HAA! Sibling marriages is a great way of putting it!