But That's None Of My Business

Government is just there to feel at control. They only make you think you are living in a safe world lol but we are all going to die you can't prevent death. If only everyone could just quit selfimportance/pity and come together there wouldnt be need for government or shooting

thats bc theyre not allowed to "hit" anymore. zero tolerance has created a sissy state that is forced to hold everything inside until it snaps. but yes...this prob couldve been sold with an old fashioned butt kicking

Not in this case. The kid snapped when his gf left him for another guy and when he tried to fight him he got beat up, humiliated, and suspended.

he got beat up bc he doesnt know how to fight

And when you combine those facts with the fact that he also had unmonitored autism, that's a bomb waiting to go off and everybody would know this, if they actually bothered to listen to science, facts and reason, instead of praying to a deity that in no way whatsoever prevented all the other school shootings from happening, let alone this one.

Don't criticize God over this. He can't stop us from using our free will.

Andrew Pollack has a better solution than science. His daughter was murdered at the Florida massacre.

He asks: Why do judges feel safe when they enter a courtroom? Why do politicians feel safe when they enter a federal building? Why don't our children feel safe for the same reason?

Guns in the right hands wouldn't just have stopped the shooting, the would have prevented it from ever happening.

"And Grind's comment was brought to you by your friends at the NRA...."

More guns won't solve this problem. They had an armed deputy ASSIGNED TO THE SCHOOL, and he failed to go do his job. Period.

One isn't enough. Gun fights are won by overwhelming the target, not a quick draw at high noon. Expecting that one guard to play Rambo is ludicrous. He should have had a team of people to assemble with that could have responded to the threat in under a minute from the first gunshot.

Children at schools are literally like shooting fish in a barrel for those people. They need protection, same as any other government building.

And exactly how do you find the manpower to hire large teams of security guards across the 100k+ schools that exist across the USA?

Oh yeah, I forgot. You just arm the teachers with guns. Yeah uhm, just too bad the teachers are too busy trying to do their damn jobs. Of teaching!

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Let me translate my meme into stupid english, for you.
If God exists and he's not responsible for the school shooting, then only evil doers should've died, because good people who obey God should benefit from his grace.

And yet, the school shooter lived while innocent people died... And you're basically saying they're not innocent, when you say "he can't stop us from exercising our free will", as if the children at that school had any choice in the matter when that gunman came and blew their brains out.

Jesus f**king christ, dude. Check yourself!

Also, you're suggesting god is responsible for the shootings. Get meds.

No, I wasn't suggesting God was responsible for the shootings. I was suggesting that IF God exists and he is everything that Theists say that he is, THEN he necessarily, by their own logic, IS responsible for the school shootings.

Either that, or he simply doesn't give a shit whether innocent people die or not? Which isn't exactly that much better, if you ask me.

You've clearly got no idea about how God works in any of the big 3 religions. Quit listening to what atheists have to say about the matter, all they do is speculate. Maybe you should let some missionaries into your home so they can clear up your misconceptions.

Kindly explain how the wrathful God of the Jews works, since apparently his smoting days are over?

If you really want to know and aren't just being snarky you should let some missionaries in. Give me your number and I'll send some to you.

The hell you want MY number for? Give me YOURS.

Besides, I'm asking YOU, not some bullshit referral, YOU.

TESTIFY!

You're starting to use too many caps. Calm down kid. I don't want to share my testimony with you cuz you're being a turd and I don't like it.

God is a guide/ teacher/ coach/ etc. That's all I'll say to you on the subject.

On nO, too MANY cApS!

Hey, if God can get security guard training, maybe we can hire him to work at schools! He sure got some skill set there.

You missed my point by a mile. That, or you were practicing your spin game and went a little too far.

The free will thing had to do with the shooter. It was his choice. Also, God doesn't supply bullet stopping force shields to good people, that's not how things work...

I never suggested it was anyone's fault but the shooters, but it could have been prevented to the point that not even the FBI would have been needed. We could pressure our government to do something that will prevent future mass shootings from happening by taking Pollacks advice and putting trained armed guards in public schools. That's the choice he's asking the survivors to promote because it will actually make a difference.

Of course you don't intended to say that the victims were to blame. But the reality is that, if God gave us free will, then he obviously didn't just give free will to the shooter alone. He also gave free will to the victims.

And yet, the shooter was allowed to take their lives. In other words, the victims had no say in the matter, no exercising their free will that God gave them. So when you imply that it's our misuse of our free wills that cause suffering in our lives, that just sound incredibly disingenuous or, at best, poorly thought out.

That's really all I'm saying.

Are you dizzy from all that spinning?

There WAS an ARMED amd TRAINED and QUALIFIED guard at THAT school.
He ran and hid out back, refusing to unlock the door for students to get out.

That's why we need professional guards with real weapons and training in schools dealing with security, not lone rent-a-cops. Within one minute of the first gunshot there should be half a dozen coordinated and prepared guards closing in on the threat.

Keep one at the door, and the rest in security closets monitoring security cameras so they don't scare the timid kids. Every other month there should be a gunman drill just like fire drills. Rather than hope nothing bad happens schools should be prepared. Enough is enough.

He WAS ONE.

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You have heard of metal detectors, yes? Works fine here.

One cop with a Glock and a metal detector is not a deterrent. A building full of trained gaurds ready to plug a would be attacker full of holes is a deterrent.

What point are you trying to make?

No, it's not.
Who's going to pay for for that added security?

Metal detectors aren't just deterents, they're prevention.
It's ok, no one's gonna take anyone's precious little p**is extenders away.

"Metal detectors aren't just deterrents, they're prevention."-jack_henoff

Have you seen the matrix? You should watch the matrix.

Metal detectors keep kids from bringing guns to school, yes. They do absolutely nothing to stop a kid from walking in and shooting people.

If you really believe metal detectors could prevent someone with the intention of killing others from doing so, you're delusional.

You made a good point about the cost of the gaurds. 7-10 gaurds per school at a teachers salary wouldn't be that hard to come up with. I bet the parents of the murdered children would have payed the extra .1% sales and income tax if they could have their kids back. Priorities I guess.

Anyway, it was fun playing with you, troll. Bye

btw, I have seen and entered Roosevelt HS, once the most dangerous school in the Bronx. Metal detectors ended that rep.

Um, sorry to disappoint with your informative Matrix documentary, but I'm talking reality here, Keeanu.

Do you even KNOW what a metal detector is? (Hint: Detector of metal)

So why don't YOU pay for the extra guards with schools facing cutbacks?

...but we're all sinners and in need of God's mercy. According to your rhetoric, we should all be killed.

No, according to YOUR rhetoric, we should all be killed. That was my point.

Please explain how my rhetoric states that. Yours does because by your logic, bad things should only happen to bad people. Since no one is perfect and we all do bad things sometimes, we are all therefore guilty of something bad and therefore should suffer bad consequences. Relating to the case at hand, wherein a deadly weapon is involved, we would all be liable to that punishment, since we all do bad things. I suppose a better line would be to ask you what you consider a "bad person." This has not been clearly defined.

Yes we should all suffer bad consequences that are proportional to the things we do bad. We should never have to suffer consequences that aren't proportional to what we ourselves have done.

What you put out is what you get back, or so that's how it's supposed to work.

A "bad person" in this case, is the school shooter, who because he's chosen to disregard human lives, should have his own life disregarded as a result.

If God existed and cared, the shooter would be dead or in jail / forced mental care long before he ever fired a single bullet.

But why should we suffer consequences that are proportional to the bad things we do? What necessitates this? You state that "what you put out is what you get back, or that's how it's supposed to work." Who says that's the way it's supposed to work? Where did you get that information? Should the shooter have his own life disregarded because he disregarded human life? Does this make us no better than he is? Are there actions that would qualify someone as a "bad person" other than disregard of human life? Is it the person in that case who is bad, or is it the actions that person takes? I do not think we punish people, but we punish their actions: not because of who they are, but because of what they do. You appear to not believe in God, but you also bring up the well worn canard of why God "allows bad things to happen to good people." Someone above mentioned free will. Free will is not complete control over every aspect of your life. It does not mean that if you choose good, only good things will ever happen to you. However, it does give us a specific choice: good or evil. This choice only applies to our own actions, and not to the actions of others. If others choose evil, we cannot stop them from doing so. Your argument is that God should stop these things from happening, and that because He sometimes doesn't, He either doesn't exist, or doesn't care about human life. This is to judge God's will according to human standards. I must also ask you how you know that God does not exist because the shooter was not dead or in jail "before he fired a single bullet."

Well to be fair God isn't aloud in school anymore. Since then yes lots of school shootings and decaying of society.

I can explain the presence of sexual assaults, assaults, stabbings, and acid attacks, that are more frequent.
I love this I'm not a liberal it's not a left or right argument, yet all you spew are leftists.

And there are huge volumes of these crimes. In fact European countries have the most of the ones I listed. Gun violence is still prevalent there also. I could point to Australia and many middle American middle eastern south American countries that have Yuge amounts of gun violence and death. Even though guns are banned there.
Really you meme doesn't make any sense anyway.

As if the education system unconstitutionally forcing students to practice a state religion in schools wouldn't count as a decay of our society...

Well one could argue it has....

I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say

So in other words, because religion, specifically Christianity, isn't allowed in school any more, God decided that those innocent children deserved to die? Wow. I'm a practicing Pagan who frequently defends Christians, and then I see hateful, monstrous shit like this and honestly, it makes defending you guys that much more difficult.

No. Evil is the absence of God and His goodness. When we kick God out, evil is what remains.

Well keep defending muslims then I don't give a f****

Oh the Irony.

(I'm being sarcastic, of course) :)

It's cool. The problem with me being an Independent is that according to the right I'm a snowflake[a term I cannot stand when used in that way], and according to the left, II'm a whole litany of things because I don't always see eye to eye with them. At the end of the day, I try to look at things without being blinded by party politics.

Snowflake is just a word, so what does it matter? Their opinions as well.
Right wingers think I'm left, left thinks I'm right, and I just think what I want to, free from their chains. I've even debated the "both" sides of an issue (because there can ONLY be two. right?) simultaneously on one meme thread, and they're all so busy yapping that even when I'm in agreement with them, they still find something wrong with it. So I toy with them. I troll trolls.

I'd say it's not as much that the words themselves matters, but rather the fact that people can't communicate with eachother and instead resort to cheat verbal attacks rather than adult conversation. It can be frustrating at times, and we've seen historically what that kind of disregard and subsequent frustration does to a society. That's my take on it, at least. I'm no sociologist though.

The sad part is that it just gradually pushes people like me and you out of politics, cause we get fed up by it. And what's left is black and white thinking just waiting to blow up in everyone's faces.

It's like people are aching for a 2nd Civil War.

Kid was not taught conflict resolution. I grew up playing games & sports with no coaches, umpires, refs or helicopter parent. We called our own fouls, balls, strikes. If we could not agree we could not keep having fun so we learned early to “work it out”. Not without some hurt feelings, rude comments about each other’s mother, and an occasional shoving match, but we learned to deal, not go nuke. Today a kid becomes an adult and suddenly there is no referee to step in and he goes apeshit. Add some issues about broken families and lack of spiritual development and it’s no wonder we don’t have more violence.

Fear of death is the only thing that stops most would be killers. The really scary ones aren't even afraid of that. I was really shocked when I heard that this kid got arrested. What a cowardly piece of shit.

Where did you get that nonsense, another movie? You have data to back that bullshit?