Grumpy cat vs antifa

Hard to find anything about antifa(ascists) for me to argue with. FASCISTs..... Plenty.

strike one "a" from the above.

So ironic that they don't even realize that their being fascist in attacking so-called fascists

Yeah....so-called Fascists....

What they are being, is Militant in their intolerance. They share the same tools to do the same job. Right wing (Alt-Right - ha!) agents provocateur have 0 to fear from them - when merely writing their philosophies on teh Interwebz. It is when they organize street actions like in Charlottesville - for instance - and/or DELIBERATELY Stage public offenses @and incidents - as in Berkeley.

Riot is a crime. Meeting a Riot, with a force assembled to put that riot down - quite lawful.

No, but nor is it cool to assault someone simply because they don't think and vote like you. That is by definition tyranny something that monsters like Joseph Stalin, Saddam Hussein, and North Korea's leadership are guilty of.

Sure. I see your point. But we are talking about one group of asshole opposing another group of assholes..

Anarchists are some of chillest peeps ever. I deny your statement on that grounds alone.

Standing for whatz right - without regard to whatz popular...that take balls. It gets people the benefit of the doubt, in my book, until I see otherwise.

Examples please. Who does this?

YEAAAAH!

Hitler realized the only way to deal with Naziism was violence. Normally I would disagree with anything he says but in this case I'm willing to allow that he was correct.

The US fought a war against Naziism and when you oppose anti-Nazi groups like Antifa you spit on the graves of the almost half million US soldiers, sailors, and marines who died fighting in that war.

Just because they sport the name "antifa" does not mean that is what they are. They are not a noble group. They are violent anarchists who use violence and intimidation to achieve their goals. Sounds a lot like the Nazis in their early days. I guess their name "antifa" is what's fooling so many people. Call a group anti-fascists and all evil they do is erased.

Your relating this anarchist group to our soldiers in WW2 is disgraceful to say the least. Your beloved "antifa" is not a movement against fascism, it is a delusional, violent outburst.

100% agree.

The word 'fascist' is one of those words that gets thrown around so much, it has lost all of it's significance and meaning. See also; "Reductio ad Hitlerum".

The problem with these idiots is that they don't just go after known racists and peop[le who use violence, they have a habit of going after people for not being liberal. Just because someone is a Republican, or Independent[as I am] does not mean they are a Nazi. And the fact that these people come from a party that preaches against violence and demands due process and tolerance makes these people hypocrites as well.

Please show me evidence "these idiots" (I assume here you mean the anti-racists) that they "go after" anyone. They hear about a right wing march or event....if they have their shit together they make an effort to show up and oppose. Beyond - that they are not organized in the way that say the UC Berkerly College Republicans are. Certainly they are less connected to the various law enforcement and military/intelligence agencies of our government.

For instance...Kennedy and MLK both killed by folks with ties to fascism and fascists - whether you buy the officially endorsed bullshit - or the reality of their murders.

They're not fascists, they're a continuation of militant communist groups. Those groups in the 30's had the same methods as the fascists. So technically they are antifascists, but they have the same methods as fascists. And they use a very loose definition of 'fascism', which enables them to mark anyone who doesn't agree with them a 'fascist'.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/rory-mcgowan-claim-no-easy-victories

Not so. Disagree with Fascists...beyond that - pretty loose.

Perhaps some are Communists...but not all. Way too many Anarchist Black-Bloc types, to be marching in unison, when the nazis are out of sight. See the links in a comment above.

Communists won WWII...despite what you may have been told...Hiroshima occurred as soon as the Russians looked to their - East (to begin to wipe out the fascists in Japan... that we actually left in place after NOT invading).

I'm not saying they're all communists, I'm saying that they're not fascists. They are more similar to militant communists than fascists. So if I'd want to compare them with a group from the 30's, I would compare them to communists. But besides that, I think comparisons between contemporary ideological groups and ideological groups from the 30's can make things unnecessarily complicated. It is also easy to frame others and evade a decent debate.

Well said. I self identify as an anarcho-libertarian (democratic) socialist. But not a Corporatist, like Hillary or Trump - ie. a fascist by Mussolini's definition.

I believe in inalienable rights and private property - but for people, and on a human scale (as God intended, according to the Western Legal tradition) - not fictional PERSONS.

If you want to Contract into something less - it might be in YOUR interest to do so - and NONE of my concern. Were I infirm and disabled from my youth...I would no doubt feel differently about the same shitty bargain, that is our social contract.

However, once in that contract - the complaints of a party should brought to a proper court. For instance...you claim a right to bear Assault Rifles, refuse to pay your FAIR SHARE (based on the notion, obviously quite flawed at the present, that our taxes are voluntary, self - imposed, and based entirely upon the self reporting of those subject - and all part of JUST social assessment for common purposes and benefit - by the consent of blah-blah...), etc. As the Kochist Libertarian/"Independent" alt right seems to argue. Well I always relish the opportunity the hear these arguments articulated...but I have a few questions before I hear the matter.

Well ...who is speaking, or making the appeal or complaint ? Where are we? What is the controlling law? As things are bound...so too, they are unbound. If the right doesn't like the law as written into Statutes and Codes...well now would be the time to change things (what with control of all 3 branches...). But the Constitution doesn't really change (as much as our circumstances, or understanding of it do). So whether in organs of State - or the actual streets - I stand against those who would subvert the LAW.

The successes of the appeal of Ultra-Nationalism, Jingoism and Xenophobia are easy to observe in our fellows of late.

But it is a false hope. The things that MLK got shot for saying WERE and ARE...the truth. Malcolm and he came to a rapproacment before their murders. Neither hated white folks. They hated a system of racial privilege and prejudice - that enslaves ALL - but the very wealthiest. Some folks it seems, are quite easy to turn AGAINST their own actual interests.

All governments are corporations; legal fictions, merely. So we decide as a society what they are and how they are to act. When the maniacs gain control of ACTUAL the levers of power... We are all in danger. See: Heydrich - Night of the Long Knives.

OOF