When you kneel during the National Anthem you're not disrespecting the US you're disrespecting those who fought for your freedom

When you kneel during the National Anthem you're not disrespecting the US you're disrespecting those who fought for your freedom | IF THESE BRAVE MEN HAD TAKEN A KNEE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO SO | image tagged in calverton national cemetery,memes,not funny,stand for the national anthem,overpaid athletes,fire them all | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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As @ChazThePhoenix said...
"If you read what Colin was trying to do, it was admirable. He used to sit, but was told that taking a knee was more respectful by an ex-marine. When you take a knee at a fallen solders grave, its a sign of respect. I suspect some of you do not know all the fact."
BEWM.
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Anyone else notice that they wait until they are rich and famous before spouting off their 'beliefs'?

I had a coworker about 10 years ago that graduated from a Big Ten college. She tutored a freshman 'athlete' that still did not get the hang of 8th grade level fractions. That athlete is now kneeling on a sideline protesting inequality while she has one more year of student loans. THAT is injustice and inequality. (Not to mention the military heros that get paid in one year what NFL players get paid for 3 downs and a punt.

Sickening.
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Unlike the NBA... just saying...
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Who's going to listen to a high school football player or care what they think?
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Situation would still be the same - even if he stood by and did?said nothing about unaccountable police murders. Split the question. Does Corporate America overpay athletes and undervalue teachers - yeah. Those are the ethics that you fight or stand for, it would seem.
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And what does protesting the national anthem have to do unaccountable police murders? And don't give me 'awareness' crap. Everyone is aware.
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I'll grant you - on the surface - not so much.

But the NFL (and football more generally) is a - shall we say? - 'less than progressive' ethos, organization, and millieu. RDJr was pointing this out in the 80's in Back to School, saying, "...crypto-fascist metaphor for nulear war.".

So the NFL vs MLB for the protest was, no doubt, discussed. Less games to show at(or not) - and baseball is...well, check with George Carlin about the differences between the 2.

The NFL has a good percentage of black players. They are targets - both for the cops, and the activists, who were trying to get some attention to the issue. "Jim Crow" was something we were all aware about, too. Without princpled activists like Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers and others...what would have changed?

I'm not black btw. But I know how out-of-control the police can be. Neither the Los Angeles County Sheriff, nor LAPD "chief" want to get within my reach ('cause they both have a DATE with justice coming - at a time and place of MY CHOOSING). Our last Sheriff is in prison.

Lots of eyes on those games - and the Nat'l Anthem is arguably FILLER on the TV broadxast - meaning fans won't be bent - like they would by someone running on the field or dropping a banner. Everyone was aware about segregation, too. The purpose of protest is to create a spark that becomes the wildfire of change - you and I (and the Donald) speaking anout it, means it was a HIGHLY successful protest - as these things go..

The NFL has a right wing (-ish) orientation - so the Miltary is a BIG sponsor. And Cops are often former/reserve soldiers. And let us all NEVER FORGET that since " 9/11 " - they have ALL been entered into the Cannon as SAINTS and HEROES. And the NFL has been a big part of that.

So players themselves decided to join the protest - and certainly with lots of encouragement from the rest of the OCTOBER 22ND/Stolen Lives Coalition and BLM.

When David Meggesy protested in the 1970's - He did so because they WERE REQUIRED to salute and stand at attention. He was Anti-Vietnam (and in 1973, he had plenny company) and was sick of being made to appear to be in favor - while the F-111's flew overhead.

He protested - was fired and blackballed. Next he sued and won. NOW they have a union, because of him - which is why they have the freedom to protest today. His protest against the war, was arguably ON BEHALF of those troops who were then fighting - many against their own will and beliefs, because of the draft.
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How about the Private Corporate Armies....MPRI - XI, etc.. The make bank for the same work soldiers do - for the love. Gotta love the corporate totalitarianism.

Seems like rich and famous people (the only ones we know or care about, mostly) having and expressing their opinions in public (where they make a REAL difference), isn't the most disgusting thing in the world.
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How you been? Being a good boy? heehee!
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Right on Mance
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(sarcasm)

The First Amendment protects unpopular speech as well, as it should.
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Funny how my comment standing up for freedom of speech gets downvoted by people.
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If you read what Colin was trying to do, it was admirable. He used to sit, but was told that taking a knee was more respectful by an ex-marine. When you take a knee at a fallen solders grave, its a sign of respect. I suspect some of you do not know all the fact.
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FINALLY!
Thats exactly what I was thinking!
....hold up, im gonna make sure this gets seen >:D
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I swear, there are lot of people yelling “yeah, fire him” but have no idea the back story. I did some research. I didn’t get it at first, but now I do and I appreciate his gesture. The rest of the NFL is doing it to spite Trump - WHICH I LOVE Also
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You can't please everyone Bro.
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That is true, but the owners are behind them. Only Trump and his diversion tactic are asking to be fired. It’s frankly not his call.
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That is true
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The NFL lost on that point in the 70's. Anti-Trust exemption means that players can't just go play in another league. David Meggesey.

Also...the NFL could have FINED or suspended Colin by contract based on the commissioner's say so - or the team's.

They were smarter than that. It would have generated the same reaction towards the league - that Trump brought onto himself.
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Very true. That doesn't mean it is right though.
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Unpopular speech isn't protected equally.
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As far as the Constitution is concerned, it is
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Every first string football player in the NFL is a multi millionaire and they're crying about how they're oppressed? If it's someone else out in society who they're taking up a cause for they could go out into the neighborhoods and try to make a difference. Donate some time and money on their off time. They have plenty of money to donate and they only work on Sundays. So typical that the bleeding hearts don't bother to be part of the solution.
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What makes you think these guys aren't doing charitable work in the off-season?
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Read the last part of my comment. Go out when they're off the clock and try to make a difference.
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Just FYI Colin does have a charity called “know your rights” and is probably forfitting millions of dollars to take this stand.
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Here's the top 10: http://proplayerinsiders.com/nfl-player-team-news-features/making-impact-top-10-nfl-player-foundations/
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Well their employers seem okay with it these days so it doesn't look like you have a say in the matter...
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I could just stop buying the tickets and the gear.
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maybe our memes will feature right next to each other!
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If you're tired of being force fed players disrespect for our military and our military, it's time to do something about it. I for one don't mind putting down my remote this Sunday. Hope you don't mind Raydog. If you want, I will remove this.
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I don't mind...I don't watch sports anyway so I wouldn't be watching regardless...
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Neither do I. I lost interest because my dad always yells at the TV.
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Truth as I see it also
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I think there is a lack of nationalism in this country.

After 9/11 people all over the country united in support of the United States. Now we have people kneeling during our anthem. They are allowed to do that and shouldn't be fired but it's sad they feel that way about this country. Oh well... I hate professional sports anyways... over paid actors is all they are.
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No lollygagging
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That is by far the best comment on the thread!!! Argument ended just like that!!!
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Just as well the people doing so are only athletes then.
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Thats cool. Thats why its called freedom!
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Its just bloody politics again getting in the way of what we actually put the TV on to see. Why doesn't politics just f**k off so we can do stuff we actually care about??
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too many people are getting triggered by this
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Only the ones that want to start arguments...
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My sentiments exactly..
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Back at ya bro!
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[image deleted]I don't think it's exactly right but it also is messed up that our president called them son of a B******
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Do these guys have a license to be this stupid, or is this just a side job? This while argument is too dumb to care about.
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you tell em!
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then make them listen! too many important message have been ignored.
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somebody actually said this to me once!
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I don't know whether I should be offended because my parents and best friend died during WWII or just deal with it
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THANK YOU!! Finally someone said something about it!!! MY MAN!
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You see the idiots trying to start political arguments...LOL
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Me??
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No...the ones at the bottom of the stream.
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Hey...wait....I resemble that remark...

Actually, I thought to say something directly....but got lost in the commentary. I know politix isn't your 'thing' per se - but I must say, that I think this all went quite well. Without discussion and airing - who's to say who's right - about anything? This way, the people who care, can keep score and make notes in the margins of the program.

Anyway's....I respect you and your viewpoint - even when I don't share it. And appreciate the thought being put in by the commenters and memers - in almost all cases.

Big ups.
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I don't mind people having differing opinions than me, but I'm not gonna get into a heated argument about it...Most people on here just want to fight and start the name calling when it comes to politics and such...I consider myself to be above that....Thank you tho'.
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Agreed.
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Come on guys forget about taking knees. Let's go grab some pussy!!
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You're right! Because no one ever kneels for royalty! That would be rude! Wait a second.. that's the most important and respectful thing you can do! But you're right. Our millitary is not worth the respect royalty gets. #protectourmillitary #antitrump #HateTrump
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You understand that we fought a war to get out from under the rule of a monarch, right?
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Yep! I actually love that subject. But taking a knee for a flag to protect something you believe in-racial equality- does not show disrespect to either the flag nor it's country. People need to learn that-gasp-you can have different opinions, and not be wrong! What? I'm sorry if I'm coming off as disrespectful or rude; I don't mean to be. I just want everyone to be equal, just like it says in the Declaration of Independence! I love America, and want it to be a safe haven for anyone in need. Now, it's a safe haven for rich white males, and occasionally, their wives. #HateTrump
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Yeah, except you just tried to use kneeling for royalty as a counter to those who oppose kneeling for the flag, and that doesn't work for the reason stated above. You might as well have said, "But Zod loves it when people kneel!" Equally absurd.
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No Raydog you're smarter than this and you're better than this. Protesting racially biased policing during the anthem doesn't target the flag or the anthem. It targets the acceptance of unfair policing. You've been the voice of reason before. Even defending my unpopular opinions. You shame yourself taking the wrong side at this point. I'm disappointed.
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But, thanks to them, we DO have the freedom to take a knee. So what's your point? The knee is about POLICE BRUTALITY -- NOTHING ELSE!
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They gave up their lives for our rights to be free,. They have the right under our constituion to a peaceful protest. Maybe you better send them your list on what you approve of so they can get right on it!
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Where is all this concern for veterans when they're dying in the streets and getting kicked off medicare or being denied benefits?
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There is a lot of concern for the wellbeing of veterans once they return home. Many organizations have dedicated themselves to helping vets cope with the effects of war.
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I'm talking about all the self-proclaimed patriots who are outraged over some football players kneeling for the national anthem. All of a sudden, vets are in the forefront of conversations but where has all this concern been? It's convenient to use the memory of veterans when you're trying to stifle free speech but the rest of the time, the majority of these armchair patriots couldn't care less... And probably walk by them in the streets without even dropping some change...
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You asked where the concern is, and I told you where it is. It just isn't pushed to the forefront of the hot button social media topics, but just because it doesn't dominate the news feed doesn't mean there aren't organizations actively helping veterans every day.
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Like I said, I'm not talking about organizations. I'm talking about all these memers and commenters and everyone else who has suddenly taken up arms for our vets and servicepeople in an attempt to distract from the original message of the protests. A lot of accusations have been thrown around about the NFL players not contributing to charities but I wonder how many devote their time and money to these vets they're suddenly so concerned about....
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I think if you look at the last decade, you will see there has been an increased overall concern with vets with heightened awareness of PTSD and their overall struggles of reintegrating with society, along with the scandals in the VA. Just because not everyone is helping doesn't mean that no one is. Now, to your point, I'm sure the groups shouting about respecting the military contain a large base who do not contribute a lick of energy towards helping vets, just as I'm sure the groups supporting the kneel contain a large base who do not contribute a lick of energy towards fighting police brutality.
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But it's not the same. It's much better to support a cause like #takeaknee if only in social media or online, than to use a cause to censor and shame those from exercising their free speech, when they're trying to fight racial injustice.

Our forefathers died to protect free speech. But people are twisting that and using their memory to stifle free speech. No one is talking about helping homeless vets or those in the hospital. That's what's so wrong with the false patriotism. The image of a row of white gravestones goes a lot farther to conjur up feelings of guilt than a row of homeless vets in sleeping bags.
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If no one is talking about veteran care in your circle, that just means your circle isn't talking about it. There are other circles who are.
And let's not start issuing a double standard to things. If you are denouncing those who support veterans in spirit but not in action, you don't get to laud those who do the same for racial inequality.
Furthermore, those who criticize the protest are allowed to do so. They aren't suppressing your right to protest; they are exercising their right to free speech. It doesn't automatically mean they support racism or fascism. It means that they have the same liberties you do.
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Like I said, I'm not talking about my circle. I'm talking about all the armchair patriots who are using the memory of dead servicemen in an attempt to censor people fighting for a just cause. Of course they have the right to say what they want. I never questioned that. I'm calling them out on their hypocrisy. Because a lot of these people are against government programs to help the poor, and they ridicule the homeless as being lazy. If it's not because of bigotry, then why are they getting so bent out of shape over the kneeling?
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I love this. This is the most amazing thing I have ever seen. #SaveVeterans
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Those people are activists in and for their communities' interests - but not the 1st amendment per se - or so it would seem. Quislings are rarely treated well, by those they betray - cowards and those who shirk their duty are usually held in low esteem by those who support the military.

But also - this is a protest against MILITARIZED, murderous, unaccountable police - not soldiers .
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I never said it was a protest against the military, but for those claiming it is for 1st Amendment rights are quick to throw shade on those who disagree with their platform of protest, especially if they share the same skin tone.
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Not my ACTUAL experience in the ACTUAL community....but it can happen there, too. But on the other side are folks whose maginalization is self-inflicted...silencing (or attempting to muzzle) those whose opinions are more popular - at least NOW, particularly in the case of-, and because of- TRUMP. The NFL lost some fans (temporarily) when they integrated, too.

Their protest is about unaccountable police murders - which disproportionately affect poor communities of all sorts certainly, but communities of color, particularly. First amendment rights activist ran to the side of those protestors because the backlash against them was so potentially dangerous for ALL protest and speech.

Calling someone a name - which you find their conduct or positions to justfy - isn't the same thing as demanding their protests be stopped. If any Doxxing of Trumpies is or has occurred...unfortunate....but BOTTOM-UP and solidarity related. Not the PRESIDENT telling their bosses (his buddiez) to fire them. Rather... public approbrium finding its targets.
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While you try to trivialize what is happening down to "calling someone a name," it carries a much heavier weight when those names are "coon" and "house ni**er." Since the resurgence of this protest came about as a 1st Amendment issue sparked by Trump, I find it rather hypocritical of people to chastise those who don't agree with the platform, especially when they try to brand people as traitors of their race.
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Their race. Tbeir speech. Their choices. Who ELSE are they speaking for? Because I don't feel tol much sympathy for people whose public positions and such make them appear TO THEIR PEERS to be UNCLE RUCKUS-types. Or "Toms" or what have you. I Care more about YOUR DENUNCIATION of YOUR PEOPLE...you know the OVER AMPLIFIED, over privileged and OVER SERVED - like Donny himself.

In recent POLL by ABC and Wash. Post - which the Non- Bean members of this show and MYSELF all felt to be taken from a dubiously TRUMP favorable sample - "RACIST" and "ASSHOLE" were both amongst the finishers.

Re-hashing tbe issues of Spime Lee's "School-Dayz" seemz OUT of ORDER to me. Let's try :Do the Right Thing", instead.

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Sorry, but you don't get to claim the moral high ground when you are actively okay with berating someone for having an opinion that differs from what you perceive everyone of their skin tone should hold.
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Sorry. But you have 0 moral authority with which to talk down to me.

You support unaccountable racist police-murder. So STFU.

ALSO I didn't berate ANYONE not even your ignorant, jingoist-ass.

But free speech means that other people (aside from you and Herr Trump) get to speak too. Even people that disagree with your reality disconnected bubble.

If you can't do any better than that. Just give up. You lose.
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It's hilarious that you have resorted to calling me names and making assumptions about any of my ideals. All I did was point out that people on "your side" are doing the same shit that "your side" is chastising others of doing. You're the one who has been trying to justify their actions under the guise of a moral high ground, and have even admitted that you have absolutely no problem with shunning those whose opinion differs from yours.
Just because someone produces a counterpoint to your argument doesn't make them a racist, fascist, Trump fan, or a supporter of unjustified shootings. It means they countered your argument and your resorting to name calling and reaching assumptions proves that this conversation is over.
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Freedom of association is ALSO covered by the 1st amendment. Your politics are seemingly written on your sleeve. 'You see - the folks who have it RIGHT, have human imperfections (which folks on the wrong side NEVER exhibit) - ERGO we can, and should, dismiss and marginalize them.'

As far as what your Monon-maniacal FOCUS makes you....Hate to say it - but yes it does. One of those three. Or just really dumb.

All I ever said was basically - yeah, AND ...? Who really gives a f**k if a mentally enslaved/colonized collaborator or "token", gets called on his bullshit on occasion? The people that keep them on speed dial - as "my black friend" - a la Stephen Colbert (as of 5 - 10 years ago), I guess. I don't waste time crying for Vichy-ass sell-outs. But then again....who does?

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So, you're saying if brave soldiers protested racism by kneeling during the National Anthem, and then went on to do their job, we wouldn't have freedom? That makes no sense.
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You can stop with the nonsense now... 97-year-old WWII vet takes knee to support black NFL players - Perhaps you should spend a few minutes learning what taking the knee means
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Soldiers who fight for something OTHER than the inalienable rights of the people....are fighting for someone else. Freedom of Conscience is so fundamental to our rights - that goes without specific mention. Amendments 9 and 10 an 1 preserve and defend it. We hope that the soldiers still serve that document, and not merely the will of our rulers.
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They're fighting for our freedoms at home and abroad. Any soldier in the world can relate to it.
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Good lookin' out.

I know we're very different. But I do appreciate you, greatly. I wish this comment were was at the top of tbe page - and not buried.

I fear that a few in your cohort, might need some hepl getting 'squared away' on this one.
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You're right. It is all nonsense.
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Thank you! #TakeAKnee
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