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Essentially, creation is the same way, that God thought it into existence. If people were willing to step back from their personal views and look with fresh eyes they would see that creation and big bang can go hand and hand.

It was more like expansion. Think of the Universe before the Big Bang as an unstretched rubber band. Think of the space inside of the rubber band as the universe. Now take your fingers on either side and stretch it taut. That's what the Big Bang was. Only, the universe continues to expand and like a rubber band, when it reatches it's limit, it will snap in on itself. A reverse Big Bang.

Except that something cannot be made from nothing.

The smartest man on the planet thinks the universe was created from nothing. Regardless of what you believe, it always started from nothing. Even a speck was created from something else, which was created from something else, and so on. Or it was just placed there, like it was just spoken into existence.

Someone with a high IQ may be smart, but doesn't mean they're always right. I'm assuming you're referring to Stephen Hawking?

And no, something cannot be made from nothing. At some point something had to start from an intelligent designer, not out of nothing.

That really is my point. Hawking's theory is it was created from nothing, like in a black hole, and that affirms the Bible. He then added his opinion that there's no need for God, but he has always been anti Creator. I am a (real) science advocate and it all points to God the Creator. Hard to prove on discussion threads. Too much data involved.

I'll upvote your comments since you're being civil. You're right, though, it's difficult to get into discussions like this, in depth, on a site built for meming.

And where did this designer come from? Out of nothing?

Yes. God exists in a time we don't understand. A thousand years to Him is but a second. He is everywhere at once. He has never had a beginning and will never have an end.

Good point

Good point

That's what points to a designer. Good it's not created. Every other explaining has something being created.

Why do you make the assumption that the only thing that could possibly exist atemporally and aspacially would be an intelligent designer?

Because for me it is more believable than a man made theory that has very little to no scientific proof to back it up. God's existence has much more proof.

First of all, I'm not necessarily arguing that the big bang theory is correct, but rather challenging your assertion that there must be an intelligent designer who started everything, because "nothing can come from nothing". You assume that the only thing that can transcend the observable universe is an intelligent designer. This, however, is an impossible assumption that cannot be cited as evidence of the existence of a divine creator. Instead, it's the other way around; it cannot be asserted to prove the existence of God, but must rather be proven by the existence of God in order to be asserted. Therefor, you must prove that your religion is correct before claiming that there must be a divine creator. So, what proof for your religion is there, that isn't just as man made as a theory like the big bang?

All hail Azathoth the blind idiot god, who is beyond all human comprehension, and to whom the universe is but a delirious, insane dream. When he wakens, all will end. Just pray that he does not awake soon...

There really isn't any need to act like a jerk. Quit being a douche.

Sorry. I was trying to be funny.

It's just a best guess... 10 years from now someone will puke up a new theory lol

You have never heard of a scientific theory have you....... Gravity is a theory too :) Ill see another theory puke up in the next 1000 years.

Creation and Big Bang can coincide. What we know of the Big Bang is only what is observed. What we don't know, scientifically, is the actual cause and start, the first steps if you will. The same word used for "day" in Genesis 1 can also be translated to "age(s)". Genesis wasn't officially written down until approximately 1,000 years after Adam and Eve. So from the point of "day 1" to Adam, we honestly don't know how much time has pasted. I can't say it was a 24 hour day because the Bible also says that to God a day is as a thousand years, meaning time does not exist for God. Scientist will say that there was no time before the Big Bang and it didn't start until that moment. The same can be said about Creation. To say we know how God did it would also require us to say we know everything about God, but that isn't the case. It is just as likely that the moment of the Big Bang was the moment God created and what we have witnessed thru science since is the outcome of His power. Like I said, science doesn't know the first steps of Big Bang and Creation doesn't know how God did it. The only difference is Creation puts a divine being as the cause, but because it isn't scientific enough as the cause is not tangible the scientific community refuses to accept it as a possibility.

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C'mon anyone you tries to explain the creation of all things must have gone to the "School of Deities" :)

Is there a God? Yes, I believe so. Is it the great God of the Bible, or Allah of the Quran? I don't think so, for each deity we have worship from the beginning had all of the vices of mankind. I think God as being more like the Great Spirit worshiped by the First Americans. Even then, some tribes came up with some weird stuff. Remember that Human Sacrifice thing? Ewww. No wonder they had a tough time taking up a collection at worship services.

How do you know it's true! The Bible that is!

Have you ever actually sought to answer that question ?

Well who has the authority or validity to say it's fact or false, the whole Christian religion is based on faith in what's in the Bible!

I have never said the Bible is true. Reread it. It was written by men trying to control their people. I have two siblings directly involved in the ministry, but they hate getting into arguments with me because the minute they say, "But the bible says..." I cut them off with, "You know I don't believe the Bible is the word of God".

Do you know how many times the bible has been translated and rewritten? Taking anything it says literally would be extremely moronic.

Some people do it anyways.

Well we all know how intelligent people are

A person can be smart, flexible, and brave. People are stupid, change-o-phobic, and panicky.

you do realize that the only book I've ever written was a parody of the Bible.

What happens if you're wrong?

Then I get to pay the consequences, not you.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your thoughts below

I want to be clear: I don't attempt to take a self righteous tone, I'm just curious to your thought process. With that said, how did you become so comfortable with the thought that you might be wrong about something so serious?

A lot of meditation and observation. I now give the Christian Bible, the Muslim Quran, and other "holy" texts the same consideration that I do the Gods of Ancient Rome, Greece, and Egypt. Every god-figure down the line has been man's creation or interpretation of what they believe happened. they are methods of controlling groups of people. Does it work? Youbetcha! 100%. Nope. Even your bible tells of those that ignored Jehovah. Where should I start? Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Too often we see the dumbing down of citizenry in totalitarian states. Especially if the country isn't fully totalitarian, the dumbing down starts early and can take generations. Look for leaders that believe it is their family destiny to rule. Like Hillary this election. Jeb, also. Notice that you didn't see a single Kennedy on the Presidential ticket, although they are represented in Congress, as are other political families.

The silent majority won't shut up about how only "godly" men should lead our country. So far, I've only seen "godly" men lead us to war. While he didn't thump the bible as much as some, G W Bush was considered godly enough to lead us to invade Iraq. We see how that godly decision, based on lies and deception, is still playing out.

Nope. If I want a god of war, I'll build an alter to Mars. As for the God of Abraham? He's got some crappy press agents down here. For every godly act made in his name, I see a dozen representing your Satan using his name. No thanks.

Do you know how many times it was "translated and rewritten?" My Bible was translated only once from the original language it was written in (Greek for the NT, Latin for the OT). Furthermore it matches want was recorded in scrolls from that time.

I'm not sure I understand your point.

Then do you hit them in the head with a bike lock? Erick Chaplin.

not anymore. Kept damaging good bike locks.

Lol. So gay.

Ya alot of people dont, but in my opinion there is something out there God or alien or whatever, but mankind has corrupted it someway some how to make people like me fall away, I don't think it's an accident that we have certain things in life occur the way they do!

I like to believe that there is something guiding this universe. Not some kvetching spirit that's looks over everyone's shoulder. Not a micromanager. But if someone believes that everything is happenstance, I say, okay. Go for it. One of us is right. I'm not religious, but I am spiritual. I can live with that. But I won't push my belief on you. Best I can do is refer to Stranger in a Strange Land. Thou art God. Grok?

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Lol good point!