No, I didn't the first flame war....nor do I need to. I do agree with you on site manipulation by the top users. That was exactly my argument with Socrates. I was able to prove it though...to the point of getting him to admit that he (and others) upvote and comment on memes by other "Tops" just to keep them on top. Yes, it is a "bully" tactic when they all gang up on you but it's how you handle it. I suppose my points total may suffer for taking on one of the elite but I don't care. I am not a points w**re. That is not why I am here. Those on the leaderboard and on the top users list that need that..well, that's pretty sad to me. How pathetic are their lives that their claim to fame is to be a topper on imgflip? How sad it is that they have to resort to the tactics they do to stay there? I have a life..I come here to have fun and make memes. I totally agree with your view about how the site is skewed...the difference is I don't let it get to me. I just have another beer, have another debate if need be, and make more memes or comments. Just be you and if people don't like it...f**k em. So they downvote your meme? How does that effect your real world? It doesn't. It's THEIR world because they have no other life so they get protective when people like us show up. (Disclaimer...I am not saying ALL of the Top Users are like this but I think we, and others...including them, know who they are)