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As a Christian, if I was a business owner, I'd have no problem doing business with gay/lesbian individuals. Its when it oinvolves the act of gay marriage, I draw the line. So let's say I owned a bakery and a gay person wanted bread or a birthday cake, I'd sell it to them. Its when they want a gay wedding cake that I don't want any part in it. And thats what the left doesnt realize, no one wants to refuse gays entirely, just not take a part in their marriage. Sadly, the first amendment itself has all but been forgotten in modern world. One of the few ideals America was built upon. Plus since 71% of America is Christian, and 3% are gay, you'd think the needs of the many would outweigh the needs of the few. But we seem to only want to cater to the minority and screw the majority over. Anyway, great meme.

You said it perfectly. And that is my point. Its also hypocrisy.

And to elaborate even further, it isn't the fact we (me being a Christian) are being forced to do business with homosexuals, but more of the fact we as business owners (I am not, just an example) are forced by the government to adhere to their rules and regulations regarding someone's sexual preference.

The hypocrisy of the left is obvious.At least it's obvious to those on the right. Force a Christian business to bake a gay wedding cake, but allow a Muslim run business to refuse service to homosexuals and not serve pork. Force Christian businesses to go against their religious beliefs or be fined or imprisoned, but stay silent when a liberal musician cancels a concert in North Carolina because he thinks the laws concerning transgenders to be bigoted.

This is also federal government overstepping their authority.

If you want to protest the governments unfair laws by not conducting your business then feel free to shut the doors. Your business will be replaced.

If a musician wants to play a show in NC, but only for people who don't support that law (for religious reasons or other reasons) then they can't do that.

It would be easy to claim religious rights not to do business with black people but that is against the law for good reason.

Just get over the fact that some people are different from you and worry about something that matters.

Well said Tony. Its absolutely about Christian privilege when it comes to "I should be allowed to discriminate however I please because Jesus! " how about realizing that theu are people first and foremost instead of "the enemy" like most of the cave dwellers who rant on Facebook and fox news. The United States of America has anti-discrimination laws that protect any individual or entity of a different skin color, sexual preference, or gender identity. Don't like the law? Go to syria where theocracies exist.

Christian privilege? Now that funny. If there were any form of Christian privilege they wouldn't be fi ed or thrown in jail for not baking a cake or refusing to photograph gay weddings. You really didn't think that out did you? Christian privilege... Lol!

Refusing service based on race is different from refusing service because someone is gay.
The difference? We believe homosexuality is wrong. However, being black, white, hispanic, etc. isn't a sin. Anyone who says it is ain't reading the Bible.
I don't discriminate against gays. They're people too, and like Jesus said (paraphrase), the guy with no sin (that's nobody) can cast the first stone.
However, I'd have no involvement in a gay uniting (I don't consider it a true marriage, sorry, but I don't), but if, say, I were a security guard where they held the ceremony, I'd still be on duty, keeping everyone safe. And if I saw a guy getting attacked simply for being gay, I'd do my best to help him out.

Your freedoms don't supercede mine regardless of your religious convictions.

That should be on our money instead of In god We Trust.

Why? It spends the same. Are you offended?

Dismayed. Xtians often don't consider other people's desire to distance themselves from the BS.

What distancing are you talking about? The piece of paper says,"In God We Trust." It's not grabbing you by the arm and pulling you into church and condemning you. You sound like an SJW who gets offended when you sneeze and someone says God bless you.

Like I said, if you get offended by Christians move to Europe. They're distancing themselves quite nicely to appease people like you.

I deserve the right to participate in the economy without passing you a religious message of solidarity.

And I also have the right to say "God bless you" without you trying to infringe on my right to do so.

And if you're so triggered by the message on the money, I know a place you could send it do you won't have to look at it.

Nobody cares if you say god bless you. And I'll keep my money thanks. You sound like a money changer.

I never said they do.

But Kim Davis does. And that type of unconstitutional action needs to be challenged at every turn. As well as refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Some people are different from you. That's life. Get used to it or relocate to a theocracy.

You don't like the fact this country was founded on religious principles, go live in Europe (unless you're already there).

If I have to point out that the constitution forbids the establishment of religion then you already don't think that's true either. Probably.

The constitution forbids government establishing any form of religious descrimination. It does not say anything about keeping religion out of government.

You liberals and so-called atheists really warp the constitution and its meanings to fit your narrative. It's sad and quite pathetic.

Yeah. That's what your religion tells you to say. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism. Whatever you call your brand of delusion is your religion.

No, it is not. Christianity is not the same thing as the others. Even Catholicism preaches religion and Catholics tout it as a religion. Christianity is not a religion no matter how much you believe it to be.

You're funny. Religion is a lobotomy and apparently you've had more than one.

First amendment. The government shall make no law with respect to establishment of any religion. And I'm not a "so called athiest". Atheism wasn't even a thing until delusional people started inventing fake religions.

First, Christianity isn't a religion. And it's been around since Christ walked the earth.

Second, you just proved my point on religion and what the founders wanted. You're misinterpreting it like every other leftist does.

Christianity isn't a religion? So let's just redefine all the words so we look like we're right all the time. And the first amendment was designed to create a wall of separation between church and state. Go back to elementary school. Religion is rotting your mind.

No, Christianity is a personal relationship with one's creator. I'm not redefining anything.

1) Refusing service to a certain race (in your example it's blacks) is wrong because race isn't a choice. Race is something you're born into and your sexual preference is not (ie homosexuality, transsexuality, etc). If I refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, it should be (and according to the Constitution, it is) within my rights. The government does not have the right to discriminate against any religion unless that religion directly contradicts the Constitution such as Islam and their Sharia Law.

A privately owned business has the right to refuse service to anyone they wish. However, they obviously must suffer the consequences of their actions like loss of business and possible bankruptcy.

2) Christians rarely get their way in this day and age, especially in recent years. The federal government is constantly overstepping their boundaries and forcing Christians to adhere to their made-up laws or get fined or thrown in jail. You don't see that with Islam and Muslims.

You may not understand the persecution Christians can go through in this country because you aren't one, but that's a completely different subject altogether. The point of this meme is this:

It isn't okay for forced business with one group and not forcing business with another group. If you're going to force someone to "bake a cake" for a gay wedding, then you need to force the musicians to perform their concerts.

You can't say no to one group and allow another group to do the same thing.

And I upvote all your comments, because you are civil in your arguments.

Try being a Christian in other parts of the world. That's enough to get your ass kicked or killed. How about a gay Christian in those parts of the world. Everyone got upvotes because all of you bring up valid points. Although, in my opinion, it is being forced onto the straight population in this country, like it or not

"You may not understand the persecution Christians can go through in this country "
You CANNOT be serious?

You aren't being made homeless because you're Christian
You aren't disowned by your family because you're Christian
They're arent laws saying you can be fired for being Christian
Society doesnt ostracize you for being Christian

All of that happened in the beginning. Maybe when gays put up with two thousand years of hell, things will be better for them too.

So people should decide to be un-gay. What a moron. I take back every thing I ever said to you. You clearly aren't smart enough to do anything with good information.

I don't remember you ever saying anything about me, so be my guest.

And being un-gay? Not sure what you're getting at. You aren't born gay, if that's what you mean. Prove to me there's a gay gene and maybe we can talk.

I don't need to prove anything. Is being a Xtian a choice or are you born that way? Just asking because you seem fine discriminating against life choices.

I'm not discriminating against anyone. If I owned a business, I wouldn't have any problem providing services to homosexuals. You seem pretty upset that someone wouldn't bake a cake for a gay wedding more than you seem upset about a musician cancelling their concert because of some bathroom laws. You're a hypocrite.

You thinking sexual orientation is a choice kinda keeps you out of any rational discussion on the subject. It's like discussing gravity with a flat-earther. And a Xtian calling someone else a hypocrite while he defends the right to discriminate is as laughable as any other part of their doctrine. As well as Muslim and Scientology and Mormon doctrine.

Just like your idea there is no intelligent designer and yet believe we got here from nothing and everything improves over time when physics clearly shows it doesn't. Or someone who thinks anyone who believes in a god is a moron, but believes humans were created from an alien race billions of years ago.

Moronic ignorance is someone who believes that homosexuality and transsexuality are natural, but God doesn't exist. You seem to think some people are born gay, yet can't prove a gay gene exsists. You simply tell me, "I don't have to prove anything to you."

You and your ilk are some of the most closed minded people on this planet, yet you call people like me who believe in an intelligent designer, stupid.

Good luck with that.

Mutation is random. Survival rates increase if the random mutation is advantageous. Even a moron like me can understand that.

Which makes you a moron.... It'sall bullish!t.

I can't see how any designer would create the sublaryngeal nerve as it currently exists in every mammal on earth. However I can clearly understand how it developed over millions of years of evolution from marine species. It's obvious. And the obvious is ignored by the oblivious.

The laws of physics tell us that everything breaks down as time goes on, so anyone who believes everything improves over time is a moron.

Intelligent design? I love science fiction. What was he smoking the day he designed the sublaryngeal nerve?

You refuse to believe in an intelligent being created something, yet you'll believe it all started out of absolutely nothing. Something started from nothing and an explosion created everything you see and we came from a dumb ape and now we're going to only improve from what we have now. Lol! You're a special kind of ignorance.

Sorry buddy. You're going to Muslim hell. Like we learned from Jesus Christ Superstar you backed the wrong horse.

Lol ok.

Luck is a superstition. Like religion. I'll pass, thanks. I like to stick to evidence. No evidence points to intelligent design. Tons of evidence points to the expanding universe and evolution. Things that weren't understood or explained by the fictional book of spells Xtians hang their hopes on. Science will keep you alive even if you think a god is pulling the strings. That's why steeples have lightning rods on them.

Tttony, I am young (14) but when we say we follow Jesus Christ, and the bible, and God, those are things we believe in, if you think it's pathetic, I think it's pathetic how your own mother decided to put you in any school, she should have known from hearth you would grow up to be a mentally deranged retard who thinks Christians who follow the bible are pathetic, listen, I am behind SpursFanFrimAround, I agree with him 100 percent, I personally am Catholic, but please, if you don't want to follow, go ahead, at least we have something to be looking forward to when we die on earth, I think I lost everyone in my short speech, I am sorry I am rude, I never disrespect anyone, everyone knows how kind I am in real life, I am just stressed, I got finals and I been studing so hard, and I barely got in total 8 hours of sleep these 3 days, so like 2.5 or so each day, but don't say it's pathetic, ok, people have something to look forward to when we die, if you don't want to believe that, it's your choice, I'm not here to remind you to take your sleeping every night because you think that one day you will die and see nothing of it

If there is no afterlife, then what's to keep you from killing yourself? If there is no God then this life means nothing.

Noxus, it would have taken less time to delete the part of your post that you apologized for than to apologize so I don't think it's sincere. The only thing I said was pathetic was this: SpursFan didn't understand why I don't kill myself since I don't believe in an afterlife. And I said it's because I enjoy living. If I only have one life why would I throw it away? That mentality is pathetic. If the only reason you don't kill yourself is because of religion then that's pathetic too. I don't want anyone to kill themselves but there's lots more to live for than just a bunch of old fables designed to repress humanity and punish diversity.

Because I like living, stupid. Is the Bibble really the only reason you live? That's pathetic.

No...stupid (you see, I can stoop to name calling as well) I live for God. Because I know there is something after this life. Unfortunately for you, you'll be living after this life as well. It's just up to you where you'll spend it.

Religion and discrimination are two different things.

Your name implies that you control the universe and time itself. That's what you-know-who is supposed to do. Good luck explaining that to old Saint Pete.

Look, I'm gonna just drop this. Let's just agree that we believe different things, okay?

Your name is Star Doctor The General Of Time. Isn't that just a tad blasphemous? And Spurs Fan will tell you Christianity isn't a religion. You guys should get your stories straight.

Do I anywhere in my online alias say that I am God?
Also, as a Christian (a Catholic, more specifically), I should know what is and is not religion.

Your name implies that you control the heavens and time. Usurping the big man's control of the universe will put you down with Lucifer. But you're already going to Muslim hell anyway so you burn forever twice. NBD.

Time I can understand, but what about my name implies control of heaven? Is it the "Star" part? Because I am referring to actual stars there.

And that comment about Muslim Hell...then you believe that the God the Muslims believe in exists, but not the Christian God?

Star Doctor. You can exert control over the universe. Such grandiose braggadocio flies in the face of the concept of humbling yourself in the presence of your creator. Clearly not a problem since your god is as fake as a 19 dollar bill. But calling yourself a Xian and a controller of space and time shows perfectly the hypocrisy innate in so many Xtians. We all reach an end to our lives but the self affirmation through religious piousness evident in most Xtians is at turns comical and nauseating. On top of that they seem to need to insert themselves in other people's personal lives. Dumb stuff like public prayer and bans on same sex marriages.

So in your vocabulary, "star" means "universe."

I am not an Xtian. Specifically speaking, I am a Catholic, and I'd prefer that you refer to me as such.

If God tells you to discriminate tell him to go piss up a stick. Imaginary voices are bad.

Don't berate my religion.

Clearly it implies you are in control of the stars. Weasel it all you want you hypocritical blasphemer. But you'll be ok. There's no god and religion is just an "I'm better than you" social club for insecure small people and the people who enjoy controlling them.

I see what the problem is here. You think that God is only in control of time and space. That is an incorrect assumption.
And why should I even listen to you? Maybe you're the one who is weaseling the words. First you say God doesn't exist, then you say I'm going to Hell.
And the last thing, you are taking my name WAY too literally. It's supposed to be an internet name, not give people a sense of who I actually am. But we are all time travelers in a sense, as we are traveling through it as we speak.

Your name is blasphemous. That is not open to interpretation. Xtians are notorious for calling out others as sinners while ignoring their own transgressions. Shame on you. Tell your Sunday school teacher what your screen name is and see what they think.

When have I ever claimed to be more than God?

Catholics are Xtians. And if you want to be referred to in a reverential manner don't call yourself STAR DOCTOR THE GENERAL OF TIME. It's really grandiose for someone who wants to be taken seriously.

If it generated Lucifer would you use it?

I DON'T want people to take the name seriously! That's the whole point of its whimsicality!!! Even I think that it's a dumb, silly name! If you really want to know, I generated it using one of those charts that tells you your supervillain name and says "use x word if your first initial is x, use x word if you were born on this day etc" and it gave me Star Doctor the General of Time.

He doesn't exist. The hell reference refers to Muslim hell which doesn't exist either. How did you miss that? I was just showing you that your religion is as serious to many people as Islam is to you. I just want all religions out of my life. I don't live under the delusions of others.

If you want all religions out of your life, why are you still bringing this up? I'm all for totally dropping the subject. All I'm saying is that people should respect one another's beliefs.

Religion is often used as a reason to discriminate. Kim Davis is a perfect example. She wasn't asked to bake a cake or attend a service. She just had to stamp a license. It was her job to do so. The law required that she do so. But the thrice divorced mother of out-of-wedlock children just couldn't find it in her super duper Christian heart to help two people who were in love to get married. She is vile and contemptible.

She was doing what God told her to, whether directly or indirectly.

"(and according to the Constitution, it is)"

First amendment you know, that whole part about separation of church and state

Maybe you need a little lesson on the Constitution.

Actually, discrimination is not always wrong. Each one should act according to his conscience. I am Christian. But if a jewish publisher refuses to publish a book written by me because it tells Jesus is God, I would totally understand, I would not be offended. You can't ask a man to act against his conscience, because if a man acts against his conscience, he's doing something immoral. So we can't ask somone to do something immoral. So we can't ask Christians to sell gay wedding cakes.

Well put!

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No one should be obligated to serve any one. If you own a business, it should be up to you to run it how you want. And if you want to open your bathrooms to LBGT whatever, go for it! And if you want to refuse to bake them a wedding cake, more power to you.

I live near this debacle. They have had plenty of gay customers. They did not want to support a wedding. They refused a specific service not a group per say

But this is religion that we are talking about here. This is the one thing that you should respect about someone even if you hate the rest of their guts.
(BTW when I say "you" I do not mean "you you," I mean "you" as in the human race.)

So as a muslim business owner, it would be ok for me to kick you out because you are christain?

"...you'd think the needs of the many would outweigh the needs of the few."

Not quite always the case. *cough cough* DONALD TRUMP *cough cough*
Sometimes, you have to stick up for the little guys. If left to popular vote, they would get swamped by anti-LGBT laws. Going back in time to the civil rights movement, we see the needs of the many (anti-civil rights people) outweighing the needs of the few (civil rights activists) because the total number of black people in the U.S. is less ( 13.2% of the total population) than the number of white people in the U.S. (and most, if not all, the anti-civil rights people were white).

Secondly, addressing the meme's content above: it's not the same idea at all. One's discriminatory, the other is a guy refusing everyone's business to protest something. Think of it like a strike.

Just my POV, though.