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27 ups, 5 replies
As a Christian, if I was a business owner, I'd have no problem doing business with gay/lesbian individuals. Its when it oinvolves the act of gay marriage, I draw the line. So let's say I owned a bakery and a gay person wanted bread or a birthday cake, I'd sell it to them. Its when they want a gay wedding cake that I don't want any part in it. And thats what the left doesnt realize, no one wants to refuse gays entirely, just not take a part in their marriage. Sadly, the first amendment itself has all but been forgotten in modern world. One of the few ideals America was built upon. Plus since 71% of America is Christian, and 3% are gay, you'd think the needs of the many would outweigh the needs of the few. But we seem to only want to cater to the minority and screw the majority over. Anyway, great meme.
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14 ups, 1 reply
You said it perfectly. And that is my point. Its also hypocrisy.
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15 ups, 2 replies
And to elaborate even further, it isn't the fact we (me being a Christian) are being forced to do business with homosexuals, but more of the fact we as business owners (I am not, just an example) are forced by the government to adhere to their rules and regulations regarding someone's sexual preference.

The hypocrisy of the left is obvious.At least it's obvious to those on the right. Force a Christian business to bake a gay wedding cake, but allow a Muslim run business to refuse service to homosexuals and not serve pork. Force Christian businesses to go against their religious beliefs or be fined or imprisoned, but stay silent when a liberal musician cancels a concert in North Carolina because he thinks the laws concerning transgenders to be bigoted.

This is also federal government overstepping their authority.
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3 ups, 1 reply
If you want to protest the governments unfair laws by not conducting your business then feel free to shut the doors. Your business will be replaced.

If a musician wants to play a show in NC, but only for people who don't support that law (for religious reasons or other reasons) then they can't do that.

It would be easy to claim religious rights not to do business with black people but that is against the law for good reason.

Just get over the fact that some people are different from you and worry about something that matters.
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1 up, 1 reply
Well said Tony. Its absolutely about Christian privilege when it comes to "I should be allowed to discriminate however I please because Jesus! " how about realizing that theu are people first and foremost instead of "the enemy" like most of the cave dwellers who rant on Facebook and fox news. The United States of America has anti-discrimination laws that protect any individual or entity of a different skin color, sexual preference, or gender identity. Don't like the law? Go to syria where theocracies exist.
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2 ups
Christian privilege? Now that funny. If there were any form of Christian privilege they wouldn't be fi ed or thrown in jail for not baking a cake or refusing to photograph gay weddings. You really didn't think that out did you? Christian privilege... Lol!
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3 ups
We can consume all the pork we wish. We aren't Muslim.
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1 up
LMAO!!!You f'n retard.
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0 ups
Go to school. Christians do not need to be kosher or follow halal
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14 ups, 6 replies
A couple points

1. "No one wants to refuse gays entirely". Well, shucks, that's mighty kind of you. You only want to refuse them partially, as if partial bigotry is any less abhorrent than total bigotry. Imagine if someone said "I have no problem doing business with black guys, I just refuse to let them date my daughter." If someone turned away a customer just because they were black, that would be bigoted. If someone turned away a customer just because they were Jewish, that would be bigoted. And if someone turned away a customer just because they were Christian, that would be bigoted as well. So why is it not bigoted to turn away a customer just because of who they are going to marry? If you went to a baker for a wedding cake and they said "sorry, I won't sell you one because you're Christian and I won't take part in a Christian ceremony", you'd probably be upset, and rightfully so. I understand that you don't want to participate in a gay wedding for reasons of conscience and principle, but that doesn't make your position any less discriminatory. The way I see it, people who do this sort of thing are basically looking for the legal right to discriminate, yet if they were discriminated against for being Christian, they get all up in arms and cry "persecution!" at the top of their lungs.

2. Just because there are more Christians than gay people in the US, that doesn't mean they should always get things their way. The entire point of the First Amendment is to protect the rights of smaller groups that aren't in the majority. By that same logic, we should get rid of all handicapped parking spaces, because disabled people are in the minority. Hate to say it, but that's the price to paid when you live in a country as diverse and as free as this.

But that's just my two cents.
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13 ups, 1 reply
Refusing service based on race is different from refusing service because someone is gay.
The difference? We believe homosexuality is wrong. However, being black, white, hispanic, etc. isn't a sin. Anyone who says it is ain't reading the Bible.
I don't discriminate against gays. They're people too, and like Jesus said (paraphrase), the guy with no sin (that's nobody) can cast the first stone.
However, I'd have no involvement in a gay uniting (I don't consider it a true marriage, sorry, but I don't), but if, say, I were a security guard where they held the ceremony, I'd still be on duty, keeping everyone safe. And if I saw a guy getting attacked simply for being gay, I'd do my best to help him out.
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2 ups, 2 replies
Your freedoms don't supercede mine regardless of your religious convictions.
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4 ups, 1 reply
That should be on our money instead of In god We Trust.
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2 ups, 1 reply
Why? It spends the same. Are you offended?
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1 up, 1 reply
Dismayed. Xtians often don't consider other people's desire to distance themselves from the BS.
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0 ups, 1 reply
What distancing are you talking about? The piece of paper says,"In God We Trust." It's not grabbing you by the arm and pulling you into church and condemning you. You sound like an SJW who gets offended when you sneeze and someone says God bless you.

Like I said, if you get offended by Christians move to Europe. They're distancing themselves quite nicely to appease people like you.
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2 ups, 1 reply
I deserve the right to participate in the economy without passing you a religious message of solidarity.
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0 ups, 1 reply
And I also have the right to say "God bless you" without you trying to infringe on my right to do so.

And if you're so triggered by the message on the money, I know a place you could send it do you won't have to look at it.
1 up
Nobody cares if you say god bless you. And I'll keep my money thanks. You sound like a money changer.
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0 ups, 1 reply
I never said they do.
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1 up, 1 reply
But Kim Davis does. And that type of unconstitutional action needs to be challenged at every turn. As well as refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Some people are different from you. That's life. Get used to it or relocate to a theocracy.
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1 up, 1 reply
You don't like the fact this country was founded on religious principles, go live in Europe (unless you're already there).
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1 up, 1 reply
If I have to point out that the constitution forbids the establishment of religion then you already don't think that's true either. Probably.
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0 ups, 4 replies
The constitution forbids government establishing any form of religious descrimination. It does not say anything about keeping religion out of government.

You liberals and so-called atheists really warp the constitution and its meanings to fit your narrative. It's sad and quite pathetic.
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1 up, 1 reply
Yeah. That's what your religion tells you to say. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism. Whatever you call your brand of delusion is your religion.
0 ups
No, it is not. Christianity is not the same thing as the others. Even Catholicism preaches religion and Catholics tout it as a religion. Christianity is not a religion no matter how much you believe it to be.
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1 up
You're funny. Religion is a lobotomy and apparently you've had more than one.
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1 up, 1 reply
First amendment. The government shall make no law with respect to establishment of any religion. And I'm not a "so called athiest". Atheism wasn't even a thing until delusional people started inventing fake religions.
0 ups
First, Christianity isn't a religion. And it's been around since Christ walked the earth.

Second, you just proved my point on religion and what the founders wanted. You're misinterpreting it like every other leftist does.
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1 up, 1 reply
Christianity isn't a religion? So let's just redefine all the words so we look like we're right all the time. And the first amendment was designed to create a wall of separation between church and state. Go back to elementary school. Religion is rotting your mind.
0 ups
No, Christianity is a personal relationship with one's creator. I'm not redefining anything.
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13 ups, 3 replies
1) Refusing service to a certain race (in your example it's blacks) is wrong because race isn't a choice. Race is something you're born into and your sexual preference is not (ie homosexuality, transsexuality, etc). If I refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, it should be (and according to the Constitution, it is) within my rights. The government does not have the right to discriminate against any religion unless that religion directly contradicts the Constitution such as Islam and their Sharia Law.

A privately owned business has the right to refuse service to anyone they wish. However, they obviously must suffer the consequences of their actions like loss of business and possible bankruptcy.

2) Christians rarely get their way in this day and age, especially in recent years. The federal government is constantly overstepping their boundaries and forcing Christians to adhere to their made-up laws or get fined or thrown in jail. You don't see that with Islam and Muslims.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Discriminating against someone because of a choice they made isn't right either. I often hear the argument that discriminating against gay people should be allowed, because being gay is (according to these people) a choice. But being a Christian is a choice as well. By that same logic, it should be okay to discriminate against Christians, because religion is a choice, not something you're born with like skin color.

"A privately owned business has the right to refuse service to anyone they wish. However, they obviously must suffer the consequences of their actions like loss of business and possible bankruptcy." I agree with this statement.

I would disagree with the statement that Christians "rarely" get their way. I know that many Christians in America today feel that the government is trampling on their religious freedom. I think some of that is simply them confusing legal boundaries with actual persecution. For example, a public high school teacher should not be allowed to preach a sermon to their students. If a public high school teacher were to do that, and get punished for it, I guarantee that some Christians would be accusing the government of suppressing that teacher's free speech of religious liberties. To put it bluntly, the government has no business promoting or advancing religion (or atheism, for that matter). Religion is one of the most private, personal things an individual has. A country where the government tells you what religious beliefs to hold, or not hold, is a terrible prospect, indeed.

Also, I upvoted your meme, even though I may not agree with it.
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15 ups, 2 replies
You may not understand the persecution Christians can go through in this country because you aren't one, but that's a completely different subject altogether. The point of this meme is this:

It isn't okay for forced business with one group and not forcing business with another group. If you're going to force someone to "bake a cake" for a gay wedding, then you need to force the musicians to perform their concerts.

You can't say no to one group and allow another group to do the same thing.

And I upvote all your comments, because you are civil in your arguments.
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6 ups
Try being a Christian in other parts of the world. That's enough to get your ass kicked or killed. How about a gay Christian in those parts of the world. Everyone got upvotes because all of you bring up valid points. Although, in my opinion, it is being forced onto the straight population in this country, like it or not
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1 up, 1 reply
"You may not understand the persecution Christians can go through in this country "
You CANNOT be serious?

You aren't being made homeless because you're Christian
You aren't disowned by your family because you're Christian
They're arent laws saying you can be fired for being Christian
Society doesnt ostracize you for being Christian
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1 up
All of that happened in the beginning. Maybe when gays put up with two thousand years of hell, things will be better for them too.
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2 ups, 1 reply
So people should decide to be un-gay. What a moron. I take back every thing I ever said to you. You clearly aren't smart enough to do anything with good information.
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1 up, 1 reply
I don't remember you ever saying anything about me, so be my guest.

And being un-gay? Not sure what you're getting at. You aren't born gay, if that's what you mean. Prove to me there's a gay gene and maybe we can talk.
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1 up, 1 reply
I don't need to prove anything. Is being a Xtian a choice or are you born that way? Just asking because you seem fine discriminating against life choices.
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1 up, 1 reply
I'm not discriminating against anyone. If I owned a business, I wouldn't have any problem providing services to homosexuals. You seem pretty upset that someone wouldn't bake a cake for a gay wedding more than you seem upset about a musician cancelling their concert because of some bathroom laws. You're a hypocrite.
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1 up, 2 replies
You thinking sexual orientation is a choice kinda keeps you out of any rational discussion on the subject. It's like discussing gravity with a flat-earther. And a Xtian calling someone else a hypocrite while he defends the right to discriminate is as laughable as any other part of their doctrine. As well as Muslim and Scientology and Mormon doctrine.
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2 ups, 6 replies
Just like your idea there is no intelligent designer and yet believe we got here from nothing and everything improves over time when physics clearly shows it doesn't. Or someone who thinks anyone who believes in a god is a moron, but believes humans were created from an alien race billions of years ago.

Moronic ignorance is someone who believes that homosexuality and transsexuality are natural, but God doesn't exist. You seem to think some people are born gay, yet can't prove a gay gene exsists. You simply tell me, "I don't have to prove anything to you."

You and your ilk are some of the most closed minded people on this planet, yet you call people like me who believe in an intelligent designer, stupid.

Good luck with that.
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1 up, 1 reply
Mutation is random. Survival rates increase if the random mutation is advantageous. Even a moron like me can understand that.
1 up
Which makes you a moron.... It'sall bullish!t.
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1 up, 1 reply
I can't see how any designer would create the sublaryngeal nerve as it currently exists in every mammal on earth. However I can clearly understand how it developed over millions of years of evolution from marine species. It's obvious. And the obvious is ignored by the oblivious.
1 up
The laws of physics tell us that everything breaks down as time goes on, so anyone who believes everything improves over time is a moron.
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1 up, 1 reply
Intelligent design? I love science fiction. What was he smoking the day he designed the sublaryngeal nerve?
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You refuse to believe in an intelligent being created something, yet you'll believe it all started out of absolutely nothing. Something started from nothing and an explosion created everything you see and we came from a dumb ape and now we're going to only improve from what we have now. Lol! You're a special kind of ignorance.
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1 up, 1 reply
Sorry buddy. You're going to Muslim hell. Like we learned from Jesus Christ Superstar you backed the wrong horse.
2 ups
Lol ok.
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1 up, 3 replies
Luck is a superstition. Like religion. I'll pass, thanks. I like to stick to evidence. No evidence points to intelligent design. Tons of evidence points to the expanding universe and evolution. Things that weren't understood or explained by the fictional book of spells Xtians hang their hopes on. Science will keep you alive even if you think a god is pulling the strings. That's why steeples have lightning rods on them.
1 up
Tttony, I am young (14) but when we say we follow Jesus Christ, and the bible, and God, those are things we believe in, if you think it's pathetic, I think it's pathetic how your own mother decided to put you in any school, she should have known from hearth you would grow up to be a mentally deranged retard who thinks Christians who follow the bible are pathetic, listen, I am behind SpursFanFrimAround, I agree with him 100 percent, I personally am Catholic, but please, if you don't want to follow, go ahead, at least we have something to be looking forward to when we die on earth, I think I lost everyone in my short speech, I am sorry I am rude, I never disrespect anyone, everyone knows how kind I am in real life, I am just stressed, I got finals and I been studing so hard, and I barely got in total 8 hours of sleep these 3 days, so like 2.5 or so each day, but don't say it's pathetic, ok, people have something to look forward to when we die, if you don't want to believe that, it's your choice, I'm not here to remind you to take your sleeping every night because you think that one day you will die and see nothing of it
2 ups
If there is no afterlife, then what's to keep you from killing yourself? If there is no God then this life means nothing.
1 up
Noxus, it would have taken less time to delete the part of your post that you apologized for than to apologize so I don't think it's sincere. The only thing I said was pathetic was this: SpursFan didn't understand why I don't kill myself since I don't believe in an afterlife. And I said it's because I enjoy living. If I only have one life why would I throw it away? That mentality is pathetic. If the only reason you don't kill yourself is because of religion then that's pathetic too. I don't want anyone to kill themselves but there's lots more to live for than just a bunch of old fables designed to repress humanity and punish diversity.
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1 up, 1 reply
Because I like living, stupid. Is the Bibble really the only reason you live? That's pathetic.
1 up
No...stupid (you see, I can stoop to name calling as well) I live for God. Because I know there is something after this life. Unfortunately for you, you'll be living after this life as well. It's just up to you where you'll spend it.
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0 ups, 10 replies
Religion and discrimination are two different things.
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1 up, 1 reply
Your name implies that you control the universe and time itself. That's what you-know-who is supposed to do. Good luck explaining that to old Saint Pete.
0 ups
Look, I'm gonna just drop this. Let's just agree that we believe different things, okay?
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1 up, 1 reply
Your name is Star Doctor The General Of Time. Isn't that just a tad blasphemous? And Spurs Fan will tell you Christianity isn't a religion. You guys should get your stories straight.
0 ups
Do I anywhere in my online alias say that I am God?
Also, as a Christian (a Catholic, more specifically), I should know what is and is not religion.
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0 ups, 2 replies
Your name implies that you control the heavens and time. Usurping the big man's control of the universe will put you down with Lucifer. But you're already going to Muslim hell anyway so you burn forever twice. NBD.
0 ups
Time I can understand, but what about my name implies control of heaven? Is it the "Star" part? Because I am referring to actual stars there.
0 ups
And that comment about Muslim Hell...then you believe that the God the Muslims believe in exists, but not the Christian God?
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0 ups, 2 replies
Star Doctor. You can exert control over the universe. Such grandiose braggadocio flies in the face of the concept of humbling yourself in the presence of your creator. Clearly not a problem since your god is as fake as a 19 dollar bill. But calling yourself a Xian and a controller of space and time shows perfectly the hypocrisy innate in so many Xtians. We all reach an end to our lives but the self affirmation through religious piousness evident in most Xtians is at turns comical and nauseating. On top of that they seem to need to insert themselves in other people's personal lives. Dumb stuff like public prayer and bans on same sex marriages.
0 ups
So in your vocabulary, "star" means "universe."
0 ups
I am not an Xtian. Specifically speaking, I am a Catholic, and I'd prefer that you refer to me as such.
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1 up, 1 reply
If God tells you to discriminate tell him to go piss up a stick. Imaginary voices are bad.
2 ups
Don't berate my religion.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Clearly it implies you are in control of the stars. Weasel it all you want you hypocritical blasphemer. But you'll be ok. There's no god and religion is just an "I'm better than you" social club for insecure small people and the people who enjoy controlling them.
0 ups
I see what the problem is here. You think that God is only in control of time and space. That is an incorrect assumption.
And why should I even listen to you? Maybe you're the one who is weaseling the words. First you say God doesn't exist, then you say I'm going to Hell.
And the last thing, you are taking my name WAY too literally. It's supposed to be an internet name, not give people a sense of who I actually am. But we are all time travelers in a sense, as we are traveling through it as we speak.
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0 ups, 1 reply
Your name is blasphemous. That is not open to interpretation. Xtians are notorious for calling out others as sinners while ignoring their own transgressions. Shame on you. Tell your Sunday school teacher what your screen name is and see what they think.
0 ups
When have I ever claimed to be more than God?
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0 ups, 2 replies
Catholics are Xtians. And if you want to be referred to in a reverential manner don't call yourself STAR DOCTOR THE GENERAL OF TIME. It's really grandiose for someone who wants to be taken seriously.
0 ups
If it generated Lucifer would you use it?
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I DON'T want people to take the name seriously! That's the whole point of its whimsicality!!! Even I think that it's a dumb, silly name! If you really want to know, I generated it using one of those charts that tells you your supervillain name and says "use x word if your first initial is x, use x word if you were born on this day etc" and it gave me Star Doctor the General of Time.
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0 ups, 1 reply
He doesn't exist. The hell reference refers to Muslim hell which doesn't exist either. How did you miss that? I was just showing you that your religion is as serious to many people as Islam is to you. I just want all religions out of my life. I don't live under the delusions of others.
0 ups
If you want all religions out of your life, why are you still bringing this up? I'm all for totally dropping the subject. All I'm saying is that people should respect one another's beliefs.
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1 up, 1 reply
Religion is often used as a reason to discriminate. Kim Davis is a perfect example. She wasn't asked to bake a cake or attend a service. She just had to stamp a license. It was her job to do so. The law required that she do so. But the thrice divorced mother of out-of-wedlock children just couldn't find it in her super duper Christian heart to help two people who were in love to get married. She is vile and contemptible.
1 up
She was doing what God told her to, whether directly or indirectly.
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1 up, 1 reply
"(and according to the Constitution, it is)"

First amendment you know, that whole part about separation of church and state
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2 ups
Maybe you need a little lesson on the Constitution.
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8 ups, 2 replies
Actually, discrimination is not always wrong. Each one should act according to his conscience. I am Christian. But if a jewish publisher refuses to publish a book written by me because it tells Jesus is God, I would totally understand, I would not be offended. You can't ask a man to act against his conscience, because if a man acts against his conscience, he's doing something immoral. So we can't ask somone to do something immoral. So we can't ask Christians to sell gay wedding cakes.
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5 ups
Well put!
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2 ups
[image deleted]valid observation
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8 ups
No one should be obligated to serve any one. If you own a business, it should be up to you to run it how you want. And if you want to open your bathrooms to LBGT whatever, go for it! And if you want to refuse to bake them a wedding cake, more power to you.
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1 up
I live near this debacle. They have had plenty of gay customers. They did not want to support a wedding. They refused a specific service not a group per say
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0 ups
But this is religion that we are talking about here. This is the one thing that you should respect about someone even if you hate the rest of their guts.
(BTW when I say "you" I do not mean "you you," I mean "you" as in the human race.)
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1 up
So as a muslim business owner, it would be ok for me to kick you out because you are christain?
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0 ups
"...you'd think the needs of the many would outweigh the needs of the few."

Not quite always the case. *cough cough* DONALD TRUMP *cough cough*
Sometimes, you have to stick up for the little guys. If left to popular vote, they would get swamped by anti-LGBT laws. Going back in time to the civil rights movement, we see the needs of the many (anti-civil rights people) outweighing the needs of the few (civil rights activists) because the total number of black people in the U.S. is less ( 13.2% of the total population) than the number of white people in the U.S. (and most, if not all, the anti-civil rights people were white).

Secondly, addressing the meme's content above: it's not the same idea at all. One's discriminatory, the other is a guy refusing everyone's business to protest something. Think of it like a strike.

Just my POV, though.
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15 ups, 3 replies
Nice meme bro. The left is so hypocritical, and the sad part is, they believe their own lies to the fullest. And when you point stuff like this out, they somehow find a way to justify their actions. Posting this meme comment cause this thread is gonna get flamed by liberal trolls lol.
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10 ups, 2 replies
Even though I wasn't actually trolling, but still...

Also, that should have said "...that's the price to be paid..."
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9 ups, 2 replies
Actually I wasn't referring to you. Although I disagree with your views, I appreciate that you are reasonable about sharing/promiting them. I was referring to other users who have been trolling my conservative memes.
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7 ups, 1 reply
Ahh, I see. Unfortunately, I am human too, and not immune to butthurt :p
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3 ups
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3 ups
Yeah so are Christians. Your point? Oh wait, you don't have one.
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3 ups
Get off my thread, troll.
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8 ups, 1 reply
This is why everyone likes you, even if we disagree politically.
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8 ups, 1 reply
Haha, thanks! :) I do my best to be polite and respectful
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5 ups, 1 reply
Not only is Octavia_Melody polite and respectful, but is well spoken and presents his arguments well.
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2 ups
I agree. I almost never agree with Octavia, but I wish I had an ounce of his reserve. Very well spoken individual.
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7 ups
You should see some of my other political memes I used to do. I did a lot more of those in the past than I do now, but I still post them from time to time.
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2 ups
I'm not sure if you're delusional, or just a troll. Also, I'm not sure what being homeless has to do with this? XD
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9 ups, 2 replies
I don't usually like to enter the rant-a-thons but I was compelled to add my 2 cents. It has to be ok. If a Christian baker because of his true beliefs cannot in good conscience bake a gay wedding cake so be it. If a musician can't in good conscience play a venue where he believe discriminatory laws exist so be it. And so on and so on. How is it American to force beliefs and values upon another person. A racist who feels uncomfortable about his daughter dating outside their race is not going to feel any better because there are arbitrary laws passed. Many religious persons try to be as accepting as they possibly can of a lifestyle they have been raised to believe is an abomination.
I just think it cruel and unjust to try an force anyone to believe as you do, no matter the belief.
BTW I am an atheist mother of a proud gay man with bi-racial relatives.
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7 ups, 1 reply
I agree. I don't care who is gay or straight or...whatever it is you claim to be. I just don't see any reason to broadcast sexuality.
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1 up, 1 reply
Ummm...ok.
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4 ups, 1 reply
Triggered from your rant? No. Honestly you weren't making any sense.
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2 ups, 1 reply
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2 ups, 1 reply
Lol!
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1 up, 1 reply
so where was Jesus Born Sir? Enlighten me
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4 ups, 1 reply
Depends on who you ask. If you read the true Bible and ask real Christians He was born in Bethlehem.
3 ups
Ignore him bro, he's a troll alt account. Some lib got so butthurt he's making tons of alts and trolling us. Lol, pathetic losers just trolled my memorial day meme saying I was a bigot cuz I was discriminating against gay veterans and I was thanking living ones instead of dead ones..
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2 ups, 2 replies
Okay, I believe that people have the right to refuse service. And also, I doubt they would want to serve you if you disrespect their religion. If you won't tolerate their beliefs, why should they tolerate your beliefs? If they started throwing sticks and stones at you, ok, that is a complaint. People should not hurt one another, no matter how much they disagree with opinions. I myself disagree with homosexuality because of my religion, but not just because of that. It seems unnatural (not trying to cause an argument, just stating my opinion) as it is impossible for homosexuals to have children. The end product of love is really children, so how can it be love? Just saying, please don't tar and feather me. But, I do agree with nanaskittles. I wish people would be my religion and believe what I believe, but all you can do is maybe suggest to the person. Trying to force someone's beliefs isn't going to work. I wish I could, but I won't.
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1 up
- There are many events in the Bible proven to be true. Also, a lot of religion is about faith. And how was it proven false? Seriously, enlighten me.
- Wait, at you? Or is this currently, or is this in the old times. Because if it was far back in history, I don't think it is fair to judge modern Christians by the actions of the old.
- I did say that I believed it was wrong because it doesn't appear natural to me. It is impossible to biologically have kids.
- I mean biologically.
- Okay, I could have put that better. A lot better. It is not a necessity to have a child. However, naturally, nature has us love so we make babies (very crude and childish, I know). Nature has provided us with the tools to make them. With two of the same, it basically means you bought the wrong tools. If one does not work, you bought the right tool, but it is defective. (Not trying to be rude, although coming across as it probably)
- My go to defense, humor.
- How is religion and what I believe a negative? I could say that about you, as well.
- Okay, I am no Hitler. I've only killed, what?, maybe 9 people for disagreeing with me? Ha. (See? Humor is the go to defense) I could certainly have phrased that much much better. I meant that I wished it was possible to have everyone agree with me. Also, I am female.

Although I disagree with your viewpoint, thank you for remaining pretty civil and refraining from an insult fest. :)
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No one is forcing you to do anything. When you open a business you are subject to federal EEOC rules. Dont want to serve Muslims? Dont want to serve Gays? Dont want to serve Black people? Dont open a business
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You missed the point entirely. That's a better response to others in this thread.
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Wow, that's a great meme. Kudos! :{
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Thanks man!
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What christian business do you own?
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I didn't say I owned a Christian business. In face, on another comment above this one, I stated it's an example.
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oh haha I didn't read through all those
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It's tough sometimes, especially when it's a front page meme with 100+ comments. Who knows if this will get there, but it'son track to do so.
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I think everyone here should understand what it's like to agree with someone but not want to admit it because they are being jerks. That's a daily struggle for many sane liberals.
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Denying any service to anyone because of their beliefs seems mean and unconstitutional to me to me. I believe that EVERYONE should have the right to equal opportunity, no matter if they are part of the majority or the minority group.
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Homosexuals have all the same opportunities as straight people.
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I though a few states passed a law that let people deny service to the LGBT+ community?
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You have always, as a private company, had the right to refuse service to whoever you feel like. It varies from state to state, but if baking a cake for a gay wedding violates your religious beliefs, or selling pork goes against, then you have that right.
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Oh, well I never realized the refusal of service has always been in America. I must've gotten that mixed up with something else...
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Yes, in most states. I know Texas you can refuse service if someone is disobeying your business' rules. If someone isn't wearing appropriate clothing and it's a family facility, or a customer asks you to bake a gay wedding cake, take photos of their gay wedding, sell pork, etc. And in some states you can refuse service to anyone.
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Wow, I never though of it that way. It really clears things up. Thank you for that ;)
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Neither do I.
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I am so sorry that you have to deal with this bull sh*t, I am Catholic and don't believe in this stuff, if God wanted gay people, he would have made Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve, I hate all this, personally (I know I am going into politics) I think Donald trump should become the next president, FOR ONLY ONE REASON, he might, somehow stop all this from going too far, Disney with Elsa, Pixar with Dory, everything, I hope what he says is true and he will stop this, but I'm sorry, you work so hard, just to find all of this Coming into your store, I saw all those people having an argument with you, please ignore them, I am behind you 100%,
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must've been some of those who came after
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Read Roman 1.
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That was Paul. Paul ain't Jesus. Paul had issues.
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No, Paul wrote the book, but it is through Paul that God speaks. He was writing what God told him to write. But nice try.
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According to YOUR belief, which I respect. But one person's faith does not reality make. I was raised in a Christianity that was questioning and open-minded. While no longer a believer I do admire the teachings of Jesus and it did help form my value system. It's what made me a liberal. Jesus taught against the conservative and legalistic mores of the Pharisees, and it's what I see today in the modern conservative movement. All the yammering about 'freedom' is a cloak hiding the desire to force others into their patterns of belief ('lipstick on a pig' so to speak), such as the Pharisees hid behind their religion while attempting to order society to their beliefs. There are many Christianities and you don't speak authoritatively for them all, much less for all of humanity. In Jesus I see compassion and concern, not force-fed doctrines and strict rules. Also free will. If someone oversteps and 'sins' it is something they will, as an INDIVIDUAL, will have to account for. The problem is Jesus is being used as a weapon, not as a source of ethical living standards. His teachings are being misinterpreted as legitimizing fear and hatred instead of the love they originally were about. Conservative Christians are more conservative than Christian.

By the way, I have to thank your b-ball team for taking that headcase LaMarcus Aldridge off our hands up here in Portland. The Blazers improved massively this last season. Wait until Duncan and Parker retire and you'll see what you got left - sullen and pouty.
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Those that say Jesus was a liberal socialist don't truly understand the Bible and His teachings. While He did teach us to pay taxes to Caesar (basically, your government) what is owed to Caesar, He also hated over taxing. Called it evil. The Bible shows this when He flipped over the tax collector's tables and whipped them silly. Taxes isn't socialism, over taxing and unjust taxes is. Also, giving to the poor is not liberalism.

And about LaMarcus Aldridge...sometimes a player works out better on one team than another team. Popovich won't allow unselfish whining on his team and I think we'll be good next year.
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I never said (or implied) Jesus was a 'liberal socialist'. And socialism isn't liberalism. Socialism is illiberal. It seeks to take away the autonomy of the individual for a malformed ideal of compassion. Again, liberal ideals seek to move from group control and conformity to individual freedom. What fascism is to the political right, socialism/communism is to the political left; an extreme manifestation of their base values, perverted to the point of totalitarianism. Both left and right would have to resort to forms of authoritarianism to reach their fantasy results for society. Democracy is a messy hindrance to everyone thinking correctly like they should. To me socialism is a conservative-styled reaction towards democratic tendencies of inconvenient rights and freedoms; in order to perfect society towards a place where everybody gets what they need (impossible anyway) people's freedoms must be severely curtailed and people must be forced into certain value systems. This is the order and conformity at the base of conservative thought - both right and left. In the end, yes, I do have more sympathy towards the political left despite my distrust of their methods, because at least they're motivated by misguided compassion; the political right is motivated by hatred - hatred formed through fear; fear of the different, fear of the 'other', which interferes with their comfort with society with those like them in power. And in the end also, my anti-conservatism is motivated by the realization that my freedoms and rights, my free expression and freedom of association, are threatened more by the conformists of the right than the mollycoddling boobs of the left.

Jesus flipped the tables of those in the temple who sought to monetize the worship of His father. The lesson of the coin with Caesar's head is that money and temporal power are of the world and those who seek to follow God are to focus on the rewards of heaven. Your economic analogies are stretching it by a goodly margin to make a secular point. Worries about whether Jesus is of the left or right are pointless. I rather think the point is that he is beyond those piddling concerns.

Didn't say LA was selfish or a whiner. He was actually quite decent while he was with the Blazers, it was after he left that people found out how club employees had to walk on proverbial eggshells around him, and now that he's gone Damian Lillard has blossomed into a way superior player than Aldridge ever was.
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All that talk about freedom of speech and all the mindless ideologues vote your comments down into the 'low rated' desert. Mob censorship? Maybe I can help keep this open.
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Ignorance must be bliss.
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No, actually. He said we should follow the same laws in the Old Testament. It was before Jesus, but we still should follow those laws.
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What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean’

YOU should follow the laws as you interpret them. This does not apply to everyone. I grew up in church, and while not a follower now I have a deep background in religious thought - minor in religion, major in history/minor in sociology. Jesus was a break from the strict law abidance of the Old Covenant, a contract with his chosen people, the Hebrews. From the adherence of the mass group of the Old Testament it turned into the adherence of the individual in the New Testament, laws of the heart created out of love, not strict authority. The Christians I know have no troubles with those who are homosexual, but they are ones who understand the whole 'judge not...' bit at the heart of the new teachings. Gay men and women will come to face their judgement on their own; the judgments of supposed followers here on earth will matter nothing. When you come to face your creator hopefully you will be able to answer as to who you aided out of your love of God and his Son because your worries of who's putting what in whose orifice will be of little stead in your defense.

Jesus the radical would have little truck with the authoritarianism abiding in his name nowadays. I do not say this out of spite, but out of experience: the conservative Christians of today are the modern Pharisees.
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but he DID say/state/reiderate that marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN..... any and ALL other sex out of marriage is WRONG
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Really, people. Making a plain one-sentence statement, especially one with no evidence to back it up, is no way to conduct a debate. To prove me wrong you're going to have to do much better than that. First off, don't say the same thing everyone else of your ilk does.
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