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How so?

I doubt that’s the reason given

Murder is not ok at any age. The stage of development has nothing to do with the ethics. We are developing for our entire life.

Good answer, son

Not unless the woman is guaranteed to die.

This life never had any guarantees. That's just ridiculous entitlement. Just as redicilous as the drunk driver driving on the road with choose life license plates.

So if I jump off a cliff I'm not guaranteed to fall or is there a chance I'd float?

If gods little goomba likes to take chances their is no guarantee that you survive and if you decided to jump I guess you are guaranteed the chance you took which was free will to make your own decisions. That is gods giving free will. And if you are so inclined to have beliefs as such, then you are inclined to believe in free will, and that some sort of God has put everything good bad and ugly or beautiful on this earth. He knows your fate and every little detail. He knows who's going to murder, and who's going to save, he knows who lives and who dies. That is if you believe in a all seeing all knowing powerful God. But who am I to tell you what to believe. I personally believe in no guarantees, and endless possibilities, but I'm not going to force that into you.

Well if there's always a chance of the mother's survival lets ban abortion all together.

That's like saying let's play God and take away free will.

So murder should be legal?

My views of reality that life is not at conception because a eg and a sperm are still living B4 the combination of the two which can take place scientifically in a lab, or naturally through incrimination artificially, or in the act of intercourse. But life is not created during conception because cells live before they are combined. That's my reality, and Christianity has nothing to do with any of it. Being right being wrong has nothing to do with it. Letting whatever happens before establishing a social security number is not murder. Anything being killed after a established social security number is murder. I don't know if you have loved ones or chronic illness in your family, but to watch a perfectly healthy woman end up a vegetable because she had a child that doctors said and knew it would trigger disease progression is a personal and horrible decision to have to make. Because now the husbands wife is a vegetable, and the baby is fine at her expense, yet has risks of developing the same disease down the road. I don't know. Giving birth with Parkinson's is one hell of a gamble. Not a good idea. Sure you can still do it, but it's a 50 50 chance of things going horribly wrong for the woman after birth. God is a personal relationship. Letting God work through the healthcare providers, and the laws is why we need abortion out of politics. If you get caught using free will to commit crimes, then this invisible entity that works through people and the law, will do the bidding. Like I said everything on this earth is made in the eyes of God, so who's to say we know better than God if their is a god. Leave the abortion issues out of politics and it's no longer an issue.

It would stop a lot of hate in the world towards these now man made political issues that don't need to be. It's created lots of divided issues. Ones you are to young to remember. But in the 60s and 70s it wasn't a uncommon occurrence to run into dumpster babies. Hence why society began legalization of birth control and abortion care. Why would Christian believers want to see that history repeated? I for one believe in free will, and Free Will only. It's the only thing in the Christian faith I believe in, and it's the only thing that can cause peace or war. When people tread on other people's free will it creates the problem.

We now have the tech to track down the monsters who throw the baby in the bin

Sure we have the tech to find the people who abandoned infants today and also from the baby scoop era post war through the 80s. Is this really a can of worms that needs to be re opened .. because once upon a time Christians believed in helping the unmarried women by either forcing them into abortions, or stigmatizing them into adoption or forced separation. Where do we really want to go with this issue. Just because once again someone's view on the free will of conception or the creation and removal of conceptions view differs from a realistic reality, and past knowledge. We have safe haven laws now not across the board, but we have them, we still don't have 100 percent protections between a doctors recommendation and the political viewpoint of the holy Trinity faith. Untill Jesus and the holy Trinity comes back to set this straight I personally think the issue needs to be put to rest. Any women who receives an abortion can rest assured that Jesus saves, and God has made abortion a part of his plan on earth

Where I want to go with this issue is banning the murder of babies. The Christian Church in the past does not represent Christianity now because back then all Christians relied on one person's interpretations leading to power being abused. But now we believe in personal revelation. No real Christian would force a woman to abort their child or put it up for adoption. My views on when life begins do not differ from reality. Life begins at conception, murder is the premeditated removal of another human life, therefore abortion is murder. I know for the first parts of the pregnancy the fetus doesn't have free will as we see it but that does not make it any less. By the free will logic we could justify murdering people in vegetive states because they don't have free will. Condoms may not work 100% of the time but that doesn't matter. The main purpose of sex is to create a child. I know it has other purposes but there is always a risk of the female getting pregnant so that should always be taken into consideration before engaging in sex. If you're completely unable to have a child you should not have sex. Sex is not necessary for survival. Jesus does save but to be saved you need to try your best to follow his law. If anyone could get into heaven there would be no motivation to be good people because you're guaranteed eternal paradise no matter what. Then heaven would also just be earth but everyone in history is alive. People like Hitler, Stalin, and Epstein who are unapologetic about their awful deeds will be running wild all at once, committing atrocities because of the lack of rules. It is true that anyone can be forgiven by God but they need to be genuinely sorry and promise to try their best to change. God did give us free will but free will comes with consequences. I could commit any crime if I wanted because I have free will but every action has consequences. I see your logic but it completely falls apart upon further examination. If there were no laws or unwanted repercussions every single day on this planet would be like the purge.

Everything alive is made up of separate living cells. By your logic nothing is alive. When the sperm and egg come together they form a separate being with unique DNA. Was everyone who lived before the invention of social security numbers a bunch of mindless cell collections? If the government collapses and social security stops is everyone born afterward not alive? Also tons of countries don't even have social security! I'm from one of those countries! So according to your logic the only people who are "alive" are Americans born after 1936! I know countries use things similar to SSN but the uses are different meaning it's not the same thing. Also some people don't get an SSN at birth, does that mean they don't have a right to life? Moving on from that I'll also have you know I do know someone who's life and health was put in severe danger by a pregnancy. That person is my own mother. She chose to take the risk and not abort because she loved her child more than herself. She relied on God to save her and God did. I know babies can develop the same diseases later in life but that does not mean you kill them. If I had to chose between dying immediately or having to deal with something like Parkinson's I'd pick the Parkinson's because at least I still get a shot at life. Moving on to the final part God can help influence humanity's justice system but he won't force anyone to do anything. The laws are not perfect because humans created them. God's laws are the perfect laws that we should seek to obey and there are many verses in the bible that are pro life. American laws are not an exact replica of God's views. From what we have gathered, God is pro life, so who's to say you know better than God? I've also hated the idea of abortion long before getting introduced to politics. I don't hate abortion because my side of the political spectrum does I hate it because it is murder.

Who on earth is claiming this is possible?

Reddit for one
& most in the Liberal Cabal

No one but the left

You are new around here is see. Maga screams it all of the time....do some poking around.

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