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Indian illegal immigration | BEMOANS THE BRUTALITIES OF EUROPEAN SETTLERS; HAS COLLECTION OF SCALPS OF MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM VILLAGES HE RAIDED | image tagged in indian says | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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2 ups, 9y
Each of you has no clue what you're talking about and are victims of the sjw attempts to romanticize the indigenous population that preceeded the Europeans. From Wikipedia:

Author and historian Mark van de Logt wrote: "Although military historians tend to reserve the concept of “total war” for conflicts between modern industrial nations, the term nevertheless most closely approaches the state of affairs between the Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes. Noncombatants were legitimate targets. Indeed, the taking of a scalp of a woman or child was considered honorable because it signified that the scalp taker had dared to enter the very heart of the enemy's territory."

Many tribes of Native Americans practiced scalping, in some instances up until the end of the 19th century. Of the approximately 500 bodies at the Crow Creek massacre site, 90 percent of the skulls show evidence of scalping. The event took place circa 1325 CE.

(back to my own comments) so, unless you're suggesting that Europeans came to north America (continent) in the 14th century and taught the natives about scalping, the practice predated any external involvement.
2 ups, 9y,
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1 up, 9y,
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i'm in!
0 ups, 9y
:-)
3 ups, 9y,
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I'll just copy and past this here from wikipedia.

During the French and Indian War, in June 12, 1755, Governor William Shirley of Massachusetts Bay colony was offering a bounty of £40 for a male Indian scalp, and £20 for scalps of females or of children under 12 years old. In 1756, Pennsylvania Lieutenant Governor Robert Morris, in his Declaration of War against the Lenni Lenape (Delaware) people, offered "130 Pieces of Eight, for the Scalp of Every Male Indian Enemy, above the Age of Twelve Years," and "50 Pieces of Eight for the Scalp of Every Indian Woman, produced as evidence of their being killed."

There are many more examples of white settlers getting paid to kill and scalp the natives.

You sir are ignorant. And It is amazing that this gets featured.
3 ups, 9y,
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You are ignoring the actions of one side by pointing out actions by the other side. By doing so, you are creating an invalid argument.

This is true ignorance and hypocrisy.
1 up, 9y,
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"ignoring the actions of one side by pointing out actions by the other side"... you mean like what the op did..
0 ups, 9y
here you go genius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow_Creek_massacre

the internet is full of facts. get educated.
0 ups, 9y
are you kidding me?!?! READ MY OTHER POST INSTEAD OF SPEWING STUPIDITY. scalping predated european arrival on the north american continent by 200 years, as far as historians can tell. that they then used the practice to 'incentivize' the natives to kill for them doesn't mean that they invented it.
1 up, 9y,
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What does Indian illegal immigration mean, in the title? I thought about this meme today; 1) from my understanding tens of millions of Indians died from plagues within a few years of Settlement in Massachusetts; 2) SOME tribes were extremely aggressive (i.e.: Commanches even under Spain); 3) GROUPS of both sides committed atrocities 4) it was not Native Americans breaking treaties to gain new land 5) no European government cared much about killing & taking land. 6) there were tribes which would have done quite well if they had not been oppressed & relocated forcibly. 7) just look at the relatively small & mostly shitty territories the Indians are left with today. 8) anybody who insists that the Native Americans are responsible for that doesn't take true history into account because they have an agenda.
1 up, 9y,
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(a) the title was an oversight...a carryover from the original template.
(b) that you thought about this after you first saw it is the best compliment you can give me for a meme, so thank you for that! fwiw, i thought of creating this meme in response to seeing a similar native american / anti-trump meme on facebook. it's a ridiculous notion to think that the natives were all peace-loving, pocahontas-esque, nature lovers. the reality is that there were 3 waves of migration from euro-asia and the previous 2 waves were brutally massacred by the 3rd wave, which is the people that european settlers ultimately encountered.

(1) your understanding that millions of indians died from sickness is correct. they had no immunity to foreign diseases, so even minor issues to the europeans were disastrous for the indians. they also had no medicine...
(2) agreed.
(3) agreed. though the point of the meme was that people often forget that it was two-sided; that the indians were not as peaceful as the re-writers of history would have us believe (howard zinn, i'm looking at you) and they were massacring each other before the europeans ever got there. i never meant to imply that europeans weren't ruthless; obviously they were.
(4) true. but removing our 2016 sensitivities from the conversation, that was how colonization was done worldwide, even up to the 1st world war.
(5) absolutely false. laws were passed in spain and england (maybe others, that i'm not aware of) that absolutely forbade any brutality to the natives. but the laws were impossible to enforce from overseas.
(6) speculation, but i'll allow it.
(7) in florida, they do quite well on those small pieces of land.
(8) it's true they didn't want forced labor / slavery. they didn't want to lose their lands. they didn't take to christianity. etc., etc., etc. but the point of the meme wasn't to blame indians for anything. it was to point out that they were killing each other prior to europeans ever setting foot on the continent and they (the indians) were not all the innocents they are portrayed to be.
1 up, 9y
(Imgflip made me do-over twice.) I see that you are educated & basically reasonable. However because that is how colonization was done did not make it acceptable in the moral sense. I think because plagues killed tens of millions in Europe & America that perhaps life was considered cheap. >My peaceful, educated, Cherokee ancestors were forced to relocate,because of political reasons, from Tennessee to Oklahoma & of course many Cherokee died. Pretty sure they preferred Tennessee. Somehow my great great great grandma ended up in San Francisco!
2 ups, 9y,
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The Indians learned scalping from the damn European settlers..I agree with Crotchgoblin You are ignorant.. DV
0 ups, 1y
They didn't learn to scalp from Europeans they already did it before Europeans arrived. You are the ignorant one here man.
0 ups, 1y
Where is the lie? XD
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