Creepy Condescending Wonka

1) The crusades and inquisition ended, the Muslim terrorists groups continue to grow.

2) The crusades were a "pushback" by the religious right in response to Islamic terror.

3) The inquisition was was Roman Catholic, not Christian. Big difference.

The definition of Christianity is that Jesus Christ (from whence the name Christianity is derived) is believed to be the son of God, and he gave his life so that humankind might enter Heaven. The last time I checked, both Protestants and Catholics believed this. Ergo, both are Christian religions. Also Christian religions: Mormans, Quakers, Menonites, The Amish.

Yes! They are Christian religions. However, true Christianity is not a religion. The Ku Klux Klan claim to be a Christian religions. You can claim anything, but true Christianity is not a religion.

Um...no. The KKK claims to be an organization that has Christian values. It does NOT claim to be a religion. Also, Christianity is one of the 5 major religions of the world. The other 4 are: Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism. There are two SECTS found within the Christian religion. One of those sects is Catholicism. The other is Protestantism (which actually includes several sects that fall under this all-encompassing title including Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, etc.) I'm not sure who taught you that Christianity is not a religion, but they were wrong, and perhaps you should use the internet for more than making memes.

I didn't say that there any larger religions. I was just providing the 5 religions most commonly taught as major religions. (I found some sites that talked about 7 major religions, but I simplified for ease of understanding. Same goes for Christian branches. Also, I didn't name all of the Protestant branches, just a few so he would get the gist. I try not to be too academic when dealing with people who have major spelling and grammar issues.

So if Christianity is not 'true' than what type of Christianity is true

Catholics aren't Christians?? That's dumb, even for you Spurs!

Ibn Khaldun, one of Islam's most respected philosophers, understood that "the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force", many other Muslims are either unaware or willfully ignorant of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. Their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for believers to think that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to find that this is contradicted by the Quran and the bloody history of Islam's genesis.

Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source). In 2011, unrepentant Palestinian terrorists, responsible for the brutal murders of civilians, women and children explicitly in the name of Allah were treated to a luxurious "holy pilgrimage" to Mecca by the Saudi king - without a single Muslim voice raised in protest.

The most prestigious Islamic university in the world today is Cairo's al-Azhar. While the university is very quick to condemn secular Muslims who critique the religion, it has never condemned ISIS as a group of infidels despite horrific carnage in the name of Allah. When asked why, the university's Grand Imam, Ahmed al-Tayeb explained: " Al Azhar cannot accuse any [Muslim] of being a kafir [infidel], as long as he believes in Allah and the Last Day—even if he commits every atrocity."

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking to the god of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.

Who told you this, this argument is to bias, the Ottomans took in the Christians and Jews when The Spanish Kingdom banished them from their lands, gave them their own land, court. Two Muslim women created the world's first university in Morocco in 859 AD, they created the first hospital for mentally-ill people, the reason you have soap and shampoo to clean yourself you can thank the Muslims, i am not saying that all the Muslims in the world are perfect but what you are doing is just pointing out a few individuals. There are bad people in every religion, country or culture but your statements are just pure prejudice and your judgment is blinded by what the media is saying and the corrupt politicians who control them.

A religion that dictates that I wipe my a$$ with a bare left hand is the reason I'm clean today? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And it's founder screwed a third grade child (9 years old) ...

What the heck...?

The Bible says you can't wear two different types of cloth. Or you should be killed.

How many people have been killed in the last 5000 years based on that verse ... compared to the millions slaughtered in the name of Islam? Perspective Rob. Get some.

Point is "holy" books are bullshit written by men for their intentions.

Trashing one doesn't make the other legitimate. C'mon, trash the other one with me. They're all just fairy tales anyway. One just is much more consistently physically violent than another.

That's what I said....HOLY BOOKS are bullshit. ALL of them. I'll trash em all. I'm fine with that.

Holy books are outdated, that's for sure. That being said, it's sad society still needs 2000 year old books to keep in line. I would be fine if they were all destroyed.

>Catholics are not Christians
Bull f**king shit! As a former Catholic turned agnostic, this just steams me. It is just a cheap COP-OUT used mainly by Protestants as an EXCUSE to distance themselves from such things and such! True, there are differences, but most of them are minor. they are still at the core abrahamic in nature.

Apparently you aren't a Christian or you don't understand the Bible. Christianity is not even remotely the same. Roman Catholics are even further from Christianity than Catholics in general. That's what's sad about Hollywood. They lump it all together and have no idea and people believe it.

Yeah right, you damn fool and clod! Catholicism and most of Protestantism still agree on core mainstream Christian doctrines such as Jesus being God in the flesh, having a real physical presence on the crucifixion, and the stolen garbage doctrine of the trinity. Yes, Protestants do not recognize any of the bullshit crap claims to that scumbag the Pope's so called "infallibility" along with many catholic saints, but its still mostly the same at the core.

Damn fool and clod? Okay, I think we're done now.

His problem is being frustrated over your logic that is completely ignorant of facts. You're just quoting the regular response of defensive "Christian" people who split off from the original Christian Sect. I was raised Roman Catholic but now I am more of a spiritual follower of Christ's teachings rather than a proponent of a religion. Religions have and will always be a tool to manipulate and control people through their weakness by mental persuasion or violence. Religion is why the world will end.

I never said I followed a religion. I am a Christian. True Christianity is not a religion, but a fellowship and relationship with God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit; something most Catholics do not believe in. And I, as a Christian, do not pray through Mary. The Bible says clearly we are to pray directly to Jesus.

Most Catholics don't believe in the Trinity? Catholics were the initiator of the concept. You are a bit lost on the Catholic religion and being you are a "Christian" I understand why. You were taught by people with the same mentality so there is no way for you to know. You are getting your information from ignorant people. Doesn't matter who you "pray" to. Catholics merely ask Mary, Saint's, Angels etc to pray for them to the father being they are closer to God. Catholics are not asking them to do the actual task. They are just a messenger. "one or more gathered in my name" does not imply just living people. You pray to Jesus for forgiveness of sins. The others are messengers of other prayers such as helping your child which you would ask Mary to pray for you to God. You're very lost and brain washed on what Catholicism is about as are most "Christians".

Your idea that you must pray to Mary and saints just proves my point. Whether they don't do the task of answering prayer or not. It isn't biblical. God tells us in the Bible we are to pray to Him and not to anyone else, be it through saints and angels or anyone else. That is Catholicism, not Christianity.

You're wrong but that's your right. It's no different than asking your fellow members to get together to pray for you in the temple or church. It absolutely is biblical but you were taught that it wasn't by someone who is ignorant of the Catholic religion. Your thoughts fall into the same category as others that decide on what is and what is not "Christianity". You're just being judgmental on what is right or wrong which is completely against Christianity. The books are merely guidelines as to how a human should live in harmony. You are far from being a "true Christian" by condemning others interpretation of the Torah and Bible. For all we know everyone can be wrong in the true meaning for it is all opinion or there could be no God at all. No one knows the truth until death but it's better to believe and find nothing but decay then not believe and find God exists and be condemned to Gods word. By the way, if you ever say God as "He or Him" you are wrong. God never said it was a "He". Chauvinistic man put that meaning to the term because women were subservient and of course anything with power had to be a man. God said "I am what I am". There is no explanation of God because humans can't understand nor will ever have the capability until death.

you sound like a lovely person. Let me guess what religion you follow :)

Like Catholicism and Protestantism are almost Identical. I don't expect you to have any idea why reformation happened.

3) Catholics were the first Christians and continue to be so. I don't understand how people like you can think that they are not. The first Pope was an Apostle.

Catholics were not the first Christians. That's just the popular view.
Before they were called Christians, they were referred to as keepers of the 'the way'.
The early followers of Jesus, were know as those who kept "The Way" or walked in "The Way."
The first mention of Christians in scripture is in Acts 11:19-26.
Catholocism did NOT start with Matthew 16:18. The 'rock' Jesus refers to is Peter's testimony of Christ, not Peter himself. Jesus is our high priest, our rock.

The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.).
Not everyone went along with this, the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.

Peace out, friend.

I guess you could say they weren't the first "Christians" because as you stated the term wasn't used. Christianity became the widely used term that eventually encompassed the plethora of tales from people spreading the "word" of God and texts written over hundreds of years. Catholicism is the gathering of those texts and then canonizing the texts deemed verifiable. Many were not included. Peter was used as a symbol of the first Pope being his word (which eventually became Peter himself) as the "rock" as you mentioned. Peter was not literally the first Pope because obviously the position did not exist nor did Catholicism. Every person who became a recognized leader in spreading the Gospels became a symbolized Pope by the religious leaders of Catholicism. Catholicism is the first organized Christian religion. The term "Catholic" means "Universal" which is the agreed upon word of God from many. There were no "Christians" until Catholicism. There was no other organized religion that used verified sources.

lol I think he means in the 21st century! But, funny :)

The "Christianphobic" liberals would always refer to the middle ages when defending Islamic terrorism

exactly!

I apologize for my last comment. I hadn't realized you were being sarcastic.