No kidding. I don't understand why some people passionately defend abortion either. There are things people care a lot about that I find silly, but being adamant that women have the right to have permiscous sex and murder their dependant, defenseless baby because they don't want the responsibility?! I wonder sometimes if it would be better for the baby to die than be raised by such a mother, but I find the practice murderous and monstrous.
Abortion is not murder. You may not like that, but it is a fact. There you go judging women for having sex. We all know that's what "pro-lifers" really care about, but you should be less obvious about it.
Stop using blanket statements. You ALL don't know what ALL of us really care about. Because even among both sides of this debate everyone has different reasons.
And again ill say it because you've ignored it on every other reply.
Just because its law dorsnt make it right. And just because right now it is a legal ending to a life, does not make it less a murder.
DNA, living wills, death penalty, medical suicide through cessation of treatment.... These are all legal and considered morally excepted by the masses.... But it doesn't stop the fact that someone is making the choice to end a life... Their own or otherwise.
The difference is that in those cases, everyone had a say in their own death. Even the inmates knew that if they got caught for their crime they may be executed but still commuted the crime.
"Murder" means something; it is a legal term. As long as the law says abortion is not murder, then it is not. If you want to say you believe it's murder, fine. Making declarative statements that are provably false does not forward a debate.
Angelmc and britefish and invicta103 on another meme which was on this subject but not written as good as yours we had a little exchange. I took issue with the memes effilectiveness. They responded to my comment and said i was taking it personal. I was explaining the word usage. They laughed it off saying it was a joke and just a meme; that I missed the point. I was not speaking about your meme in this sense. Literally a day apart this happened.
I agree. I'm one who believes in redemption / second chances, so I'm not too sure about the death penalty. While I do find it to be understandable in some cases, I believe giving such a penalty should be avoided.
I actually think it can be WORSE punishment for a violent offender to be in SuperMax, than killed. Do you know what their days consist of? 23 hours a day in a cell alone. A shower every 3 days. Very, very basic supplies. No mags, movies, or TV. No good food. No smoke break. They get to walk in a small pen for an hour. That's it. Imagine doing that for the next 50-60 years of whatever's left of your life.
Some of these monsters WANT the death penalty. Easy way out. I think slow torture, being so isolated they start to go crazy, talking to themselves and shit is far worse than relieving their misery. Agree or disagree?
The only thing I can think to do that's worse, is add beatings for little to know reason at all. Tasers. Yeah. That would be worse than just killing them.
3 ups, 6y,
While I'll agree with you that a life in prison could be far worse than being put to death, I don't agree that that should be the punishment for violent offenders. It's a great strain on the tax payer's wallets to house inmates and I do not agree with having to pay for these people.
In my opinion, there are three crimes that warrant the death penalty. 1) First degree murder. 2) Rape 3) Sexual and physical abuse toward children, the elderly and the mentally handicapped.
To support the death penalty, you must accept that innocent people will be killed. Killing innocent people is... murder. Right?
1 up, 6y,
You're right, sometimes innocent people are put to death. Innocent people all throughout history have been killed. I never said the death penalty is a perfect punishment, but it is a punishment nonetheless. You cannot compare the death penalty and abortion. They are not the same thing.
You are saying you are okay with murder in some cases. That means saying "abortion is murder" would not necessarily make you against it.
2 ups, 6y,
I didn't say I was okay with murder. I said I was okay with the death penalty as punishment. Then I said I know that the death penalty isn't a perfect system.
And you say killing a conscious person is far worse? Have you ever seen inside the womb while an abortion was being performed? I have. Andbots horrific. The child, whether you think so or not, is conscious through the whole thing.
Liam Neeson & Christian Bale in one clip? Nice! The Dark Knight trilogy is one of my favorite movie series :) But yeah, it is something that is challenging to one (I.e. me) that has it. Anyways, an upvote to you as well :D