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*Only applies if the criminal is black.

Lmao

Even you'll dial 911 when you're the victim of an armed home invasion.

More likely I'd just grab my weapon. If I call someone, it'd likely be my family next door. But I get your meaning. Never say never. But they are not my go to. I'd have to be out of options lol

Then he farted... and the kitten died.
End of story

Right on. People are people. We must deal with one another on an individual basis. Good cops and good people know this to be true.

But it does make the cop a criminal who needs to be punished.

No it doesn't, they beat them up when they try to fight back, which isn't criminal at all. Cops have the right to cuff people who have commited a crime, actually, it's their job, and everyone has a right to fight for protection, which is what the cops are doing. So when you put that together, there's nothing in there that makes the cop a criminal.

Yeah. Cops aren't allowed to beat people up either. There is no law saying that a cop can beat someone up lol They can ONLY arrest someone who is breaking the law. Arrest does not mean the same thing as beat someone up. If they are unable to arrest without beating someone up they have no business being cops. In fact, most police work is to be done with words not force.
UNLESS we are making a case for a police state. Then sure, all is fair. Let's get all the bastards who would dare take exception with getting the life kicked out of them.

I would also like to add that I do see some of your points and judging by some of your other comments, you do seem to know what you are talking about. It is true that that there are some ridiculous cases like one I heard in which an elderly lady was tasered. That was downright criminal and Yes some cops are all too trigger happy when it comes to dogs. I suppose I'm talking about extreme situations.

Not all cops are bad. I have known many good men in my life, some of them cops. But cops these days? Collectively? The days of trusting Officer Friendly are over. I don't trust them right out of the gate. And I encourage you not to either. Survey, assess, use caution, pray and don't make any sudden movements. lol May the odds be ever in your favor lol

Let me ask you something, not being sarcastic or smart. If someone violated your Mother or Sister or attacked them or killed them and you saw the cops beating them half to death. Are you going to take up for the criminal? I would personally get some popcorn and watch smiling.

My dad was a cop. He taught me, "You do what you're going to do. And then I'll do what I'm going to do." When it comes to the law, you can't go bending it to uphold it. If one is getting paid to uphold the law, they cannot break the law in the process or they cease being law men and are simply criminals. Period. There is no debate on that.
IF, one feels strongly enough about something to disobey the law, then they should continue to feel strongly enough about it to take the consequences of those actions. If they don't, then they are just wusses who are no different than liberals who throw fits to get their own way.
So. For me, I see it as my dad said, You do what you're going to do and I'll do what I'm going to do.
Right and wrong don't change based on mitigating factors. All that does is influence what you are going to do. But the line doesn't move.
Additionally, in my experience as a grown woman ... cops ... well, I don't rely on them for my safety. ;-) And I don't ask them for help. "Help" is not what I have found to be the result of calling them.

not just a woman she in insightful, funny, and shows a lot of respect in here. Also she likes my memes so she's got that going for her, which is nice.

Sorry but that's incredibly niave, I've see it take 6 cops 10 minutes to get cuffs on a guy who was 5'6" that had just beat the hell out of his girlfriend who worked in my store. The guy was drunk and high at the time. Seeing that put that job into a whole new light for me. I suggest anyone who taking the time to be critical of police take an equal amount of time to do a ride-along.

I've seen plenty. lol Maybe you should do the ride along. My dad had to go to the hospital plenty of times to have his shoulder put back in the socket from taking guys down and keeping them from cracking their heads open on the concrete. I also know that most of police work is done by talking. I also know that you can take near about any man down with a dime and a finger. He liked to play a game called ... "Let me show you something, I'm not going to hurt you, here, just ...." and before it was done, one of us kids was crying uncle lol There are MANY techniques one can use that does not require the kind of force these jackasses you'll see in videos use.
Not at all naive. Plenty of experience with police officers and criminals. Sometimes deadly force is needed of course. We could have lost my dad lots of times. Once he had to shoot a man at point blank range and then help him sit down because he was just standing there.

My dad ... 5'8" and 145lbs lol It wouldn't have taken him 10 minutes to get a guy in cuffs. That's not bragging, it is just a matter of fact. If someone is cracked up or on some sort of drugs ... like the face eating dude in FL maybe. But that isn't the case very often so let's not use those exceptions when we are talking about the habits of cops these days. :-D

I have done the ride along, and recently. The amount of bureaucratic bullshit cops have to deal with today is insane! The protocols and everything. They have been transferred into a revenue arm of most cities which makes it even more insane. The vast majority of cops I have met joined the force to do good, which sounds like why your dad probably did. I just hate seeing the cut videos or videos that don't tell the whole story because of what happened "pre-video". Some I agree like the asshole in Chicago deserve what they get. Most are just trying to make it home in one piece. As for the takedown I mentioned, with all due respect there was no one man that was going to take him down. I am 6-3 weighed about 230 at the time (was kind of into body building then) and could not have done it. That was what was amazing to me, was someone that size was so out of control. I'm not saying they are always right, what I'm saying is they are not always wrong either and a lot of context is left out of news stories and even more when you listen to people's "personal experiences". I do usually sympathize with police because I know that I in no way would have the control required for the job. You do have a lot of personal experience due to your father but so many I hear blasting cops do not, and make decisions based on what someone else says like that Dorian mf in Ferguson. That little weasel is responsible for the destruction that went on there as much as anyone. Anyway your dad sounds like a good man, and I've read enough of your comments to know you are a good person. We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but law enforcement may not be one. :)

You're mistaking self defense with beating or shooting someone who isn't a threat. That's what the protests are about. Stick to the issue.

What gets me is when somebody murders or brutally raped someone and somebody complains about human rights. I mean, you really care if someone beats them to a pulp? Seriously?

Please don't think that I don't understand what you mean. Of course most people feel that way. But. In America a person is still considered innocent until proven guilty. We HAVE to abide by that. Because if we do not we are giving up EVERYTHING. We will no longer BE America.
If someone is caught IN the act of rape ... you are allowed to use deadly force. And I absolutely would. If someone is beating someone to a pulp, you are allowed to match force (citizen or police officer). Very few people would argue with those instances.
But if a person is SUSPECTED, named, etc. A police officer has to treat them as if they are innocent.
Cops are not allowed to beat a suspect they are trying to arrest. If the suspect uses force with them they can match force for force. But an officer is not allowed to up the amount of force. If a suspect punches a cop, the cop cannot then shoot that suspect. If the suspect is just pulling their hand away from being cuffed, an officer cannot put a knee to their head and push their face into the ground, they cannot break their arms, they cannot repeatedly tase them, they certainly cannot shoot them. If a suspect is running away, an officer cannot shoot them.
I am not for allowing criminal roam free or allowing them to sue the city for being arrested. But when an officer uses excessive force they not only break the law, they put OUR tax dollars on the line. That is crap as well.

It also doesn't make the cop magically justified.

No it doesn't. It just makes them criminals as well.

Norman Rockwell inside! :-D

I agree, although if you watch YouTube channels that film the police you'll see that they often abuse the limited amount of power that comes with their position of authority.