Picard Wtf

Libs think making a "terror free zone" will solve every thing! WRONG!

They'll get my guns when they pry my cold dead hands off em..

If the French had better citizen carry laws.. there would not be near the casualties! Bad guys will always have guns!

That's right, the old black market dates back to the beginning of time..

Of course! Gun control disarms honest citizens. . That's it.

"Honest" gun owners don't make straw purchase or constantly "lose" them. Why is it wrong to hold people accountable for their guns? ALL GUNS are legal to begin with. The manufacturers aren't selling them out the back door to evil doers and criminals.

Legal gun owners.. have had a BG check. I agree 100%.. but over restrictive "anything"... will always create a black market. Drugs just one example.. alcohol during prohibition etc.

Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6rjamk0Q0

I'm on phone and driving Using voice, is later ok?

LOL- uh....sure?

It's a really good video made by a fellow gun lover.

I will bro

BTW.. thanks for being polite. There is big variety of opinions on many subjects on any public forum.. but many become @ssholes when an opinion don't mesh with theirs. I don't mind trading ideas.. and I am open to ideas. I just don't dialogue with bullies. That video was about 11-12 mins long. . I watched it all. There are valid points that states could adapt. I am personally against registering ALL weapons to qualified citizen owners. If you are a legal owner in my state.. and I present you my CCW permit that I am a legal owner.. i see no reason for the govt to get their nose in it.. create a new tax or more paper. I'm all for qualifying the person to own.. not the registration of every firearm. When my uncle passed. . Or my dad passes.. it's none of uncle Sam's business if I get his rifles since I am a legal owner now. That's my opinion. I respect your views.. some valid in the video.. some I see are already in place in most states.

I ran out of reply options. . Had to reply here rather than below. I like consistentcy. . I don't agree with too much federal meddling. People tend to migrate in states where they like those laws.. culture, leadership etc. If my state had Illinois laws.. I'd be GONE. I believe in states rights.. that's what people vote in their state. I just don't see why there would be an over regulation by feds in states where they don't have a consistent gun violence culture. They can work on that culture.. not make every one conform in the country because of failed policies in one or a few states.

Ok... valid points and not valid points. His points are not valid in all states. . Some have required training, all states have mandatory BG checks, .. and the guy admits it won't stop mass killings. His info is applicable to whatever state he is in.. but some of what he is suggesting is already the law in many states. .to include training, BG checks and no transfer or sale to strangers. Straw purchases illegal. But here's a fact I just looked up. Everything this guy is talking about that he would like to see... EXIST IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.. TO INCLUDE CHICAGO. Google it. Look at the gun crime in the state with every single restriction this guy mentions.. the worst record.. or damn near in the whole country. I got my info at smartgunlaws.org

Of course. When you are an island....things get in. Consistency is key and application across the country would make the laws or regulations more effective.

LOL.. that chick needs a dentist!

"Everything" is one word.

I wish the auto spell checker on my phone knew this! ;)

That's a bad@ss meme bro! Looks like an NBA camera!

lol Thanks man. The UN is shady and is definitely trying to take over the world. :)

This imposter in the WH would allow the UN to take over here,... I believe that! He dont care about a constitution, . would like to see us governed by the UN.

FFS.... ! NSA. ... not NBA!

No one claims banning guns will stop gun violence. Sensible gun regulation will however reduce gun violence. Of course it won't solve everything. Thinking that would be ridiculously naive. But so would thinking gun regulations won't help or even claiming "free-for-all" is actually *better*.

As with everything human-related, there is a lot of nuance and the closer you get to the truth the more complex the picture becomes. Short, clear, strong claims, statements and slogans are often perceived as containing a lot of truth, especially if they coincide with one's own beliefs and preferences and especially especially if a skilled, charismatic speaker utters them. This is dangerous.

If you notice yourself agreeing with something or someone almost instantly, that should be your cue to investigate *why*. Because instant agreement means quick-access memory means deep-rooted beliefs which are usually kept immune from rational considerations. Like reflexes they're our go-to resource in stress situations, so it's important to understand them and reassess them if needed. This is, obviously, not easy - and it's even more difficult for some, especially people with a naturally dominant personality. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent here.

In conclusion: both gun laws and terrorrism are complex issues and beside the fact that your comparison is therefore faulty we should approach both issues with an open mind and be very wary of our own (mis)conceptions. No matter what they are or how strongly we are convinced they are true. In fact, the more strongly we're convinced by something, the warier we should be.

Interesting and well thought out comment. I agree with being wary of slick talkers and slogans.. we can all see what "Hope and Change" really is now. Just as flawed leaders in religions has produced Jim Jones and jihadist. History has produced many. I disagree in that there are politicians whom would love to interpret the 2nd amendment to as close to a ban as they can. Liberals like to use Australia as the model for gun control. . Not really knowing what that model is.. and the Supreme Court splits on gun rights issues every time. When there is a multi casualty event.. there are knee jerk response suggestions that flood the social networks and media. Gun free zones being one. No city in the US has stricter gun control than Chicago.. and that city is a cesspool of gun violence. There are extremely restrictive gun laws now.. that ban them from places and criminals, .. yet gun violence still happens at these places and at the hands of people who are legally "banned" from owning one. I made a comparison of the "ban" argument. Banning anything does not prevent it.. including terrorism.

No doubt it is a complex issue,.. but knee jerk bans will never work.. criminals like terrorist, will not adhere to any ban, but rather take advantage of it.

There are those on the left.. have no idea how to handle the social issues that cause violence, so they believe a ban in all firearms is the answer. Others who may be extreme right, believe if everyone was armed. . That would prevent gun violence. Memes only allow for short comments. So it's not the perfect comparison, .. but it seems others agree that there is a message that shows flawed thinking. Great comment by the way,.. very well stated!

commented on "successful The comparison is not totally flawed ale the aame

I dunno if anyone would have someone to shoot at with no terrorist!

I don't know, maybe we need to ban Paris?

Nice meme !

Thanks :-) For a country that LOVES to boast of freedom people sure do love to hand it over like it isn't worth a whole lot.
Me? I am all for the citizenry being able to buy and sell whichever guns they so choose. There is absolutely no reason for the government to know who has what gun unless it is to use against YOU.
I bought a gun 20 years ago. New. From a pawn shop. A nice, clean, well-established, reputable one. I got a letter last year from the Attny. General's office in my state asking me if I owned a different gun that I purchased that day. Apparently it had been used in a crime.
I FLIPPED OUT. My mind was reeling at the implications. What was going to happen? What could I prove and not prove? How did this happen? blah blah.
I got in touch with their office by phone (not easy to do). I wanted information and particulars or ... something. I was asked if it was mine and when I said no, they brushed me off. BRUSHED ME OFF? Um. What am I missing here?
They ONLY wanted to know if it was mine in order to return it to me if it was. :-O They didn't care that I NOW had questions.
Best I can figure is ... in our state when you apply for a gun license you can buy up to 5 guns on that license in a given year. Me ... I bought one. That means ... someone at the pawn shop that same day sold at least 4 other guns to people using my license #. In doing that all these guns will come up under ... my name. And when they do the Attny General will not give a rat's ass unless it implicates me in some way. They did nothing about correcting it. They did nothing to investigate how that could happen. They said ... "They didn't have a division" that looked into those things. It isn't cost effective.
So ... remind me again how "registering" guns keeps us all safe or keeps them out of the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people etc.
Also ... in NC if you have ever been dxed with ANY mental health condition it factors. That means ADHD, OCD, depression if your mom or dad died. Anything. Also ... if you have ever smoked weed. Let's all thank the government for protecting us from all those gun toting pot heads lol
Registering ANYTHING with the government is a joke.
I relinquish my soap box.

Agreed! I've got fellow vet buddies and a few taking PTSD disabilities. BIG MISTAKE IN MY OPINION! Mental health is an issue In keeping guns out the wrong hands.. but I see too much room for abuse here. And once you are under any care for stress.. someone who just don't like your political views.. or are having a bad day can make someone's life hell.. starting with confiscating firearms. BTW... i noticed some @sswipe downvoted your comments.. so I went to your profile and upvoted everything. Immature pansies who get "offended" by opinions and run out of substance. . When the blame Bush game fails.. start downvoting. I upvote every comment even if a different opinion.. but I guess there's a maturity gap here at times. I noticed some upvotes were less. . Or back to zero... so I countered that. Look for a boost in points! Thanks for commenting. You're a vet? I am. I noticed you said NC.. i was at Ft. BRAGG for 4 yrs. Later bro

Aw, I appreciate it :-)
No I am not. But both parents and husband and brother are. All Marines and Navy (of the pissing contests hahaha)
We were at Lejeune (mmm good water lol) and they were ... all over. Spain, Panama, Okinawa, and the 7 seas.
I know many who are PTSD as well. (and we should have whole other reasons to be pissed off over that but that is for a different conversation lol) Like you, I have subtly questioned the safety in my friends getting those disability benefits. Glad to hear someone else say that. Combine that with Obamacare (homeland security in health care? lol ) and you've made several lists lol
When did you serve?

82 - 86 Active Duty - reserves for 2 years I'm an Air Force brat,... raised all over, but went in the Army. I agree,.. the data bases now are scary! I want anyone who needs some help to get it, but I believe its abused to the max! I go to an Airborne convention every spring, (Im an ex paratrooper), and there are still WWII vets that attend. They were the greatest generation I think I have ever met. They really were in the mud and blood and no complaints! No PTSD! No griping about the country except how liberal it has turned. I love those guys!!

I hear ya. We lost one of our former classmates to Beirut. He'd graduate just the year before. smh And where are we now? SSDD.
I agree about our WWII vets. Also our Korean vets. The things they endured. And took it all like men. Much respect for them. People we can still look up to.
They did have it then however. It was just called shell shock and while what they saw and did was traumatic, it was a just cause (insofar as ... but we won't go there). The reason our boys can't handle the shit now is because ... it is not a just cause, they are not "protecting" their families, and they are being told it is. They are being semi-worshipped. They can't wipe their asses without being thanked for their service. And they are having problems resolving in their minds and hearts and souls what they see and what they have done and what they are being told. They are in the middle of a major mind screw. In fact, to come out without a little PTSD probably means that your shit is broken lol
I respect the hearts of people who want to serve. But I do not go in for military worship. I've been around enough my whole life (from 5 years on), I've been literally poisoned by the military, etc that I'm not just not into all that lol But the hearts of men? That's where it's all at.

And these same people, the ones the gubmint says can't own a gun, they'd turn around and slap one in their hands and send em right back out to do their dirty work.
May God have mercy on the politician's evil soul and mercy on the minds and hearts and spirits of those they break. <3
For what the military "has done"? I don't have much respect for that. For what current and ex servicemen are willing to do RIGHT HERE in our homeland as they walk among us every day. Yes. I feel safety and pride in my country in that and an appreciation for those who stand up.
Oathkeepers all.

*than I purchased (not 'that' I purchased) I only got the one. A Beretta, they were asking about a Glock. (they even got a more expensive gun than I did lol)

Free this meme from submission limbo!!!!

Lmao!

Worked!

Time for football!

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An anti-isis dragon!

yup

What did a vaccine basically eliminate polio?

I am not for eliminating guns but if they didn't exist you can't argue the fact there would be no gun deaths.

Agreed.. but sociopaths will still find a way to kill. Look at the knife attacks in China.. Boston bombers etc.

Imagine if they had guns....

My point was.. not needed. . If a psycho wants to kill. Your statement could be built on.. and what if they had tanks. .or Cannons, or a nuke. Instead of imposing regs that only effect legal ownership. . Why don't we address the social problems that makes certain demographics.. want to have guns?

Exactly. Guns are not the problem, it's the way society is built. It's hard to determine specific factors, but an example could be the Grand Theft Auto video games. You let your young child play games like that (as most people seem to do) with no guidance, what do you think is going to happen? I'm not saying we ban violent video games, but at least we need our children rooted in a good foundation before we let them do stuff like that.

In a moral society. . You could have guns littering the street.. and no one use it for wrong. It's the culture needs changing what I can see. When I was in Japan, I was amazed to see vending machines with beer. They respect the law so much, the younger generation does not break into or vandalize the machines, ..which were in non heavy traffic area lbs by pedestrians. Imagine that here in a city in the USA? No way! The culture has become gimme and take... not earn it. Fewer parents not involved in what kids do. The family unit and morals are rapidly deteriorating and as the crime ramps up, there are more restrictions on citizens rather than address the social problem.

People seem to want to think that if some nut case has a gun then he/she suddenly becomes invincible.
They forget that the arm holding the gun can be shattered, broken, or maimed in a variety of ways.
That the punk with the gun can only shoot in one direction.
That statistics proves a knife beats the gun when the person with the knife bull rushes the gunman and gets him because he panicked, missed and or froze. (Anyone who uses guns on unarmed civilians is a coward at heart. Thus they would expect people to run away when they brandish their guns. But when someone charges them... they panic.)
Not to mention the person waiting for the shooter to round a corner or walk through a doorway, right into their ambush. (Imagine something like Captain Kirk and Spock from Star Trek.)
Guns only hold so many bullets, they have to be reloaded.

I am quite certain that a well trained person, unarmed, can subdue a person with a gun if he is willing to try. Remember this: There are two main purposes for weapons. Weapons are used to extend one's reach. And weapons are used to scare the hell out of people. Counter that and the weapon is useless. In martial arts you are taught to fight the man, not the weapon. And no matter how intimidating that shooter with a gun may look, he is nothing but a weak, cowardly, and very mortal man.

What is your background. . Experience in this subject? Not challenging you.. just identifying with you.

So sorry it took me this long to respond.
For my background, I am a 22 year old boy who lives and works on a farm. I also want to join the Army.
As experience, I was in a martial arts class for a little over a year. The martial art form I took was Taekwondo. I know other forms such as Ju-Jitsu or Krav-Maga might be considered better by other practitioners, but for someone in High School with no real combat training at all, I really enjoyed it. My instructor was really good. And besides the basic forms that we was supposed to memorize, he also taught us self defense moves against attackers with melee weapons such as knives and bludgeons. During my training there, a man came to our dojo to train with us. He was an instructor of his own academy once and he is now a park ranger. That man taught me and a few others some basic gun disarming moves. Some was more complex than others, for example one involved reaching your hand over and grabbing the hammer to keep it from firing before disarming him. Of course such moves involve the attacker pointing the gun at you point blank.
After I quit doing Taekwondo I found some books that taught me quite a bit as well. (If anyone says you can't learn anything from a book, they have been reading the wrong books.) The books I like best on the subject of martial arts is written by an author called Dr. Haha Lung. He has published a lot of books, about a dozen I believe? But I have only read 4 so far and just started on a fifth one. If you haven't heard of him and would be interested in reading one I would recommend his book Mind Fist.
Besides the training I took and the books I read, I tried to take every possible opportunity to learn more about fighting/self defense. From learning moves from my friends to reading articles to even watching moves in movies and UFC fights. Yes movies are just movies and shouldn't be taken as real, but some of the moves are very real. Or could be incorporated in a similar way. If nothing else it can give one ideas on how to deal with a shooter. I mentioned Star Trek because Kirk and Spock was always ambushing armed foes from around a corner or behind a doorway. Even if you do know how to disarm/fight an opponent you have to get within striking range. (A factor I was never specifically taught on how to make happen when dealing with a gunman. So I had to come up with scenarios on my own.)

Good for you in joining the military to serve your country! I am a vet myself, and would not change that part of my life for anything! I was also a LEO and very immersed in MA training for a long time. All MAs have value,... and training in different styles is very recommended. I had a school for a while, and would bring guest instructors frequently from different styles. I found that training in only one style, can get a person very used to defending against the same styled MA attacks,.. and get bewildered even with street type fighter who may be flaying punches rather than styles we are used to. Even worse,... I found many attack / defend scenarios were "contrived". I actually spent 2 weeks in Japan training under Masaaki Hatsumi and his shihab instructors. Very enlightening! Black belt rank here in the USA are associated with "expert". In Japan, a shodan, or 1st level blackbelt is considered a "beginner". It simply means you understand the basics to begin your journey of training. Knife defense training is much more complicated than basic MA training. It always bothered me to see knife self defense options where the attacker would "lunge and freeze", at a moderate speed, allowing the defender to execute a defense at fast speeds. I understand this is necessary in beginning training, but it bothered me to see blackbelt ranks doing this as well. There are many angles of attack from an edged weapon, and once the basics are understood, all angles must be explored. As for gun,... I never allowed my students to remain on the line of attack. Thats is,... where if a defensive option was not executed perfectly, the defender would still eat a bullet. You must get off the line of attack,... and distance is always a consideration as is how the attacker is holding his weapon. Soft hand techniques will not work against a determined foe... you must have the ability to hurt him, destroy a limb and disrupt balance.

As for ha ha lung,.. I purchased one of his books to show something in a self defense seminar. If you notice,... many of the diagrams show the defender, or the good guy to be dressed in Arab styled clothing,... and the assailant dressed as a Crusader, often with the Christian cross displayed, as if Christians are the enemy. I am not sure which book(s) you have,... but check it out.

Keep going,... keep training! Serving your country in any capacity is honorable! Good luck sir!! Thanks for the reply!

My ideas for dealing with a gunman might work and they might not. But it is worth a chance to stop a psycho with the blood of innocents in his eyes. The problem is getting the unarmed person close enough to stop them. As you said, a lot of factors figure into such an engagement. Most of my scenarios are for inside a building such as a school or store.
In the end it all comes down to awareness. Which is probably the best thing to have in such situations. Those red flags prior to a shooting. In every mass shooting I have seen recently on the news (except for the terrorists ones) the people interviewed that knew the killer spoke of certain things that made his action less of a surprise. Some killers went so far as to say what they was going to do beforehand. That is when the problem needs to be dealt with, before it becomes a problem.
I gave the suggestions on how to stop a gunman to give ideas. And to show that a gun does not make a cowardly punk invincible all of a sudden. There is always a weakness. The frailty of the human body, even the gun itself can malfunction and miss. All these people who want to ban guns, they should invest in training people how to deal with a potential nut case with a gun. Because the gun itself isn't the problem.

I do want to encourage you to read the book Mind Fist. I got it for around 12 dollars at Barnes & Noble. Of course any of his other books are good too. Here is a word you will become familiar with from his book that I adopted as my war cry.
MASAKATSU!!!

You are wise young grasshopper!! No,.. the gun is NOT the problem. Any psycho will find a tool to inflict mass casualties,... the mass knife attacks in china were a prime example. Many more killed than some of the mass shootings here in the US. Awareness will always be key - even in new surroundings. I myself have faced a gun,.. and had a knife to my throat on an attempted car jacking. I am still here banging out a message on my phone. ;) PS: Elbows do not sound like dry wood cracking when they break,.... they "pop". ;)

Many factors figureinto what you are saying,.. and in a CQB scenario, very relative. Iamv

mmm vaccines did not eliminate polio. :-D If it did people wouldn't still need polio vaccines ;-)

Polio vaccine basically eradicated it. Are you seriously debating that?
Same for guns. *IF* they didn't exist there wouldn't be gun deaths. Its a matter of simple logic. Same reason we don't have unicorn stampedes.

No. Wouldn't debate on imgflip. But I am absolutely stating that polio did not disappear because of a vaccine.
As far as the "gun deaths" ... it's a silly point. Is it gun deaths you are having problems with or the fact that people find it so easy to kill one another? I would think it would be a "we think murder sucks" issue.

Why do you think Polio essentially disappeared after the polio vaccine was administered? SERIOUSLY?

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/10/the-anti-vaccine-movement-is-forgetting-the-polio-epidemic/381986/

"At a time when a single case of Ebola or enterovirus can start a national panic, it’s hard to remember the sheer scale of the polio epidemic. In the peak year of 1952, there were nearly 60,000 cases throughout America; 3,000 were fatal, and 21,000 left their victims paralyzed. In Frankie Flood’s first-grade classroom in Syracuse, New York, eight children out of 24 were hospitalized for polio over the course of a few days. Three of them died, and others, including Janice, spent years learning to walk again.

Then, in 1955, American children began lining up for Jonas Salk's new polio vaccine. By the early 1960s, the recurring epidemics were 97 percent gone."

We're you dv comments?

This is true, but those vaccines were far different from the vaccines today.

Back then, they were for curing the disease. Today, vaccines are a 45/55 mix of preventing the disease and putting cash in people's pockets. As such, less expensive medicine and precautions are taken when creating and administering them, leading to things such as hazardous (although nobody is willing to admit this, as it would drain the profit) chemicals as preservatives, ect, and bad administration of the vaccines. Case in point, the polio outbreak in europe (I forget exactly where) that was caused by the careless use of vaccines.

I have nothing against vaccines, they can be very helpful, but when they are used in the manner they are today (ie, application of vulnerable infants, in which harmless chemicals to adults would be deadly) I have to protest.

Also, I have not seen them work. Everyone I know who uses vaccines still gets sick, and everyone I know who doesn't has yet to. Example, I have a friend in the Military who took Mumps vaccines for several months, then went to Madagascar. When he came back, he had gotten the mumps, even though he was vaccinated.

There is plenty of info out there on what went on during that time. There is plenty of info out there on the real "medicine" of vaccines.
Did you not see the kitten I posted for you? ;-)

Or dragons destroying cities would follow that point. I'm not sure I follow you. You would want a world wide ban on guns to eliminate gun deaths? Lots of wars were fought with swords and spears. I'm only saying that a ban will never stop a criminal from having it. Making something illegal will never prevent a criminal from having it. You disagree?

Keeping people HONEST and regulating guns isn't banning them. All guns are legal to begin with. Then dumb irresponsible owners "lose" them or sell them or....I have a few guns. I am all for guns. I just think we need to rethink how we let people get, have and/or keep them. We need to make owners accountable like they are with cars. Get insurance for them etc...

I don't base "freedom" on owning a gun. Look at other countries like Australia or Canada or many European countries with tough gun laws....are they not free? Look at countries where there seem to be no lack of guns like Somalia or Syria....are they free? I don't hold the availability of guns very high on the list of desirable attributes for a country....but that's just me.

Watch this video....they guy is a gun lover...and rational...like me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6rjamk0Q0

I personally do not know a dishonest gun owner. I'm not dumb enough to think there are none.. i just don't know any. I am against selling go strangers! If this is what you are referring to.. i Agree. I have purchased privately.. but I .am licensed & anyone I purchased from was the same and known to me. That is being responsible I believe and just my own standard. Can we both agree.. criminals will always have access to firearms? You're an owner.. but you have no way to guarantee you won't be a victim of a burglary. . Or similar. Sh#t happens. We also have crappy borders. If they can smuggle dope... people.. they can smuggle firearms.

I cannot agree more. We have some good gun laws, but there needs to be a background check, and a course of some sort proving you know how to use it properly.

People like to say that it's easy to get a gun, but one of my Military friends and I went to get guns cleaned together, and he got a background check, even after showing them his Military credentials, they had to verify with the FBI that he was legit, because apparently somone with his name was a criminal. And that was just to get his guns cleaned! If that ain't hard enough, idk what is.

I'm concerned for my fellow vets and the 2nd amendment. . I fear PTSD is going to be a tool used to disarm them. I live in GA.. a vet shot and killed his baby's mother in a parking lot this week.. claimed PTSD. Makes it bad for the rest of us. I will never even explore a PTSD disability... i like my 2nd amendment right too much!

No I didn't vote on any of these comments. It's completely possible that someone else out there has the same point of view I do

By the way- being on here for a few years now I have seen imgflip go from very few political, right/left, liberal/conservative, etc memes and the few that were made were basically evenly spit 50/50. The memes now are far greater in number and HEAVILY weighted to the right. It's getting a bit much. Add that to the memes about the "top users" and I have to say (for me at least) imgflip is getting a bit tired.