Common ground.

John Kerry: "Galvanize to change dystopia into utopia" *allegedly feels

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Dystopian like millions of illegals siphoning our resources, criminal r@pings and murder. Protesting government agencies attempt to correct course?

do you have any data to suggest that immigrants, even illegal immigrants, are any less productive or more hard-crime oriented than natural-born US citizens?

Yup. On average 60% are on welfare. I'm retired now. I never was on welfare my entire life.

my fault. i should have been clearer. i meant actual data.

Plenty of evidence. Crime reports on every r@pe and murder arrest by people who shouldn’t be here in the first place. ICE response to warrants throughout the country.

As far as citizen crime vs illegals statistics shouldn’t come into play. It’s not either or. It adding to the problem that bothers Americans.

well of course the statistics come into play. if immigrants are more productive and less hard-crime oriented, they're improving the make-up of the population. now you think on that a while.

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Not all foreigners visiting here are intending to migrate here. Is there a problem with Customs ?
Some, are just here to partake in commerce, yet many here insist on calling them immigrants.
Now, you think on that awhile. Brilliant !

um... no one said they did. by immigrants, i meant immigrants.

With your logic, it's implied.

So, you're cool with the laws of CUSTOMS, the C in ICE, being enforced to the full extent ?

You surprisingly left that unaddressed.

You just like to argue.

btw
A "Customs" question is not an argument taking sides.
Just sincere curiosity.

Deflect from CUSTOMS to inferences and implications, yet albeit sad reply. Oh well.

Yes, but just because people are less likely to commit crime (which I heard the other day it was at half the per capita rate for immigrants, but you might want to look at that a little further) doesn't mean that crime is not being committed. Even if less likely, it's still adding to crime as a whole. Those are crimes they would have been averted if they weren't here.

More productivity doesn't change the fact that they're more likely to be paid less and otherwise exploited. Working harder for less is hardly justification for it.

also, can you please justify the methods of ICE in the face of their civil rights violations and murders?

If they murdered anyone they'd be charged for it. Prisons are full of ex cops who murdered . Might wanna Google Jeff Epstein's last cell mate. He was a cop turned hitman for a drug gang.

well that's encouraging at least. i saw videos of two murders by ICE. i guess the process just takes time.

Recently I heard it was half the per capita crime rate as citizens, although you might want to verify that, because I just heard it in passing and I didn't look into it. But still, like you pointed out, it's still additional crime. Even half as likely is a bit past one too many for something that would not have happened if they weren't here.

You had 4 years of Dystopian it seems. Did you complain then?

i was just glad that he was willing to clean up the mess he inherited. for me, he didn't need to do any more than that.