To begin a respectful conversation hopefully from different viewpoints

If life randomly came into existence, there would be countless species of wildlife that would quickly die because they couldn't cope with their environment.

Not necessarily, evolution through natural selection would cause some animals die off that aren't suited to a certain environment, but it wouldn't have to be an entire species, just a subset of that species.
Not trying to sound combative, just trying to work through an idea with other people.

The actual date of the earth isn't nearly enough time for any animals to evolve
So no, it's not valid

Where did you get the date of the earth?

The gospels has the genealogy of everyone from Adam to Jesus
Add 2026 years and thats the date of the earth

But that genealogy is incomplete because St. Mattew wanted to give is a symbolic symmetry. https://www.pastorjasonelder.com/the-gospel-of-matthew/jesus-geneaology-in-matthew-meaning-structure-and-significance
I'm not trying to be argumentative.

I skimmed it but it looks ok

What do you mean if I might ask?

The genealogy that was written in other books just took a different route to get to Adam

I'm sorry, I don't think I'm following your point. I understand that the Mattew and Luke genealogies trace two different lineages. What I am saying is that St. Matthew's genealogy is not comprehensive, but a streamlined summary that highlights key figures to demonstrate his connection to David and Abraham as evidence of Him being the Messiah.

Okay well what about luke

I don't know if it's entirely relevant to the conversation. Because we know the dates of certain persons in scripture, but the majority of scripture takes place in the bronze age and then late antiquity. Theistic evolution would be mainly concerned with everything pre-historical: creation trough Adam through the flood.

The days of creation were literal days. Exodus 20:9–11 (KJV): “9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.”

The Genesis genealogies prove that the time between the beginning of creation and the start of Noah's flood was between 1646 and 1667 years.

Sin brought death into creation vs millions of years of death brought people into creation. Evolution isn't compatible with the Bible and was created by people like the racist Darwin to remove the Bible from the conversation. Goo to you and Molecules to man are a poor attempt to explain how abiogenesis could happen.

To be fair, Darwing wouldn't have "Created evolution" if it's real. It would be a natural process that one discovers. My thought is that if it ends up being a real, natural process, then it would be divinely guided by God's hand.

It is neither natural nor real. Biogenesis, life come from life is provable science. Abiogenesis is a miracle the secular community puts forth to push their agenda. God created Adam and Eve to live forever. Death didn't exist before sin entered into creation.

I agree with the last sentence but abiogenesis is just one model of Darwinian evolution out of many. I agree that it's physically impossible for life to arise out of that which isn't alive. The Lord God breathed into dust and it came to life, therefore if evolution is true, it must be divinely guided.

I feel I must apologize. I should have asked you why evolution is, for lack of a better term, attractive to you. Your words suggest you need it to be true for some reason.

I don't think it's attractive. I just want to steel-man an argument with other Christians.

So... you're hoping to find reasons that evolution, secular theory of how things started is true?

"Proving" an argument one doesn't believe in? Especially one not backed by the word of God? Seems like no proof at all.

When you steel-man an argument, you build the strongest case you can for why it may "potentially" be true and then you work to find whatever flaws you can in it. It demonstrates not only your own understanding of opposing viewpoints but also the confidence you have in following the truth no matter where it leads. Steel-manning is the most intellectually honest exercise one can use to pursue truth.
It's the opposite of strawmanning

The opposing viewpoint is that one can internalize ideas that can very negatively affect us. Garbage in garbage out is a real thing. I looked into the religion of evolution many years ago and found no reason to try to marry any portion of it with the word of God. I focus on wisdom and helpful, positive knowledge instead.

Then I am not meant to have a conversation with you. I want to speak with someone about this topic dispassionately.

I'm sorry. I cannot be dispassionate about the truth of the Bible. I've been forced to endure the world lieing about it my entire life. I can't even imagine being dispassionate about it.

You can steel-man an argument without believing in it. It's a healthy, intellectual practice.

It's a practice anyway...

I can easily flip this around: If you truly believe a literal interpretation of Genesis is the most scientifically accurate, you should have no fears or worries about examining any other claim.

And no death before sin is a lie?

There is precisely 0 evidence of evolution beyond about the Family classification level and a ton of evidence that the Bible is right on everything. There was also no death before the fall so no millions and billions of years. The image used is a take off on a popular artist's imagination. There are no transitional forms in the fossil record, let alone a linear progression from monkeys to men

I agree with the last sentence for sure, but the Bible doesn't specify how long earth had been around prior to the fall. It's also currently debated how long the process of Creation actually took. Either way, God would obviously be responsible for guiding evolution if it ends up being true.

"The Bible doesn't specify how long the earth had been around prior to the fall."
True, but it couldn't have been millions or billions of years or there would have been death before the fall, at least in the animal kingdom. And that is what Darwinists are always claiming.
And the Bible actually does tell us how long Creation took, rather precisely: 6 days

That's true, but the opening creation account is written as Hebraic poetry, not a scientific report. Moses may be giving a poetic summary of the process God used to create the earth, which could have unfolded over billions of years. Before the earth existed, concepts like gravity and clocks wouldn't apply, so 'time' as we measure it wouldn't be meaningful until the Earth was formed and began to orbit the sun. Besides there still could have been animal death prior to the fall without contradicting what scripture tells us. If not, then Adam and Eve would have had no need to eat from the Tree of Life. Death only becomes an evil when it befalls human beings because we are made in God's image.

"Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female?"
"But from the beginning of creation God made them male and female?"
So.. God made male and female last in a "questionable" amount of time and the Son of God, the Creator says it happened in the beginning? The questionable amount of time only became a concern when evolution was made mainstream. Afterwards, "theologians" tried to make it fit by obfuscating the clear teaching of "the first day", " the second day", etc .
You seem to be jumping through a lot of hoops that don't line up with scripture to make your points. It isn't necessarily a salvation moment but as you are obfuscating the clear teachings of the Creator of the universe and since He tells us to add/subtract nothing to the word of God. Is it a path you want to die on?
Evolution was spoken of prior to Darwin. His grandfather spoke of it for years. The Greeks discussed it in antiquity. They all did it outside the bible. Do not add it into the Bible and certainly not into history.

Then I will exit this conversation with you. I want to have it with someone who can be neutral with me as I exercise the steel-man argument with a topic I have not been able to engage in.

I will leave you with this as respectfully as I can: to believe one can ever be neutral on biblical truths is an exercise in futility. I've been asked by atheists and agnostics to "leave the Bible out of the discussion and discuss the issues on neutral ground. This is a trap. Leaving the clear teachings of the Bible out of any discussion about biblical truths is yielding the high ground. 80% of our youth raised in church walk away from God when confronted with an evolutionary onslaught at college. "And when he sowed, some fell by the wayside, and the fowls came and devoured them."

I respect the boundaries you draw and I also recognize and respect your personal limitations, so please reciprocate that as well.
For me, I'm not afraid to have these exercises because I know what's true (God is real, Jesus Christ is our savior, we are saved by His mercy) and no intellectual exercise can change the truth. I do, however, want to follow truth no matter where it goes. Many people, Christianst included, are too afraid to have serious conversations about evolution because they're worried their minds might be changed and they might lose faith in God. I'm just not afraid of that happening because the evidence for God is so overwhelming. If I have a conversation about evolution with others, I will either discover it's true or not. Whatever the truth is I should follow it.
With that, I bid you farewell.

I'm not afraid mine might be changed for I know it's a lie, but too many minds are changed that don't. I have many theories regarding things I see in the Bible for which there seem to be no clear answers to questions which arise. I research and study these issues and don't involve others. Leading others astray concerning the Bible isn't a good idea. By all means search for the truth but don't lose your way in the weeds. Be well and fare well as well.😌

I don't think I'm jumping through many hoops at all, but no this is not a hill I plan to die on because I do not believe in it. No one's salvation rests on their beliefs about evolution. I just wanted to have a steel-manned conversation about Darwinian evolution with other Christians because I do not have many steel-manned conversations about evolution.

answersingenesis.org/god/hill-to-die-on

Thank you for sharing this. I don't agree with David on this one. The hill's I will die on are the Trinity, Christ's death and resurrection, and the sacraments, and other core beliefs necessary for salvation.
I'm not going to die on the hill of old earth, theistic evolution vs young earth creationism because it's not necessary for salvation.

If someone believes that the earth is billions of years old, that might make them more resistant to the Gospel.

It has indeed been a sticking point for billions of people since Darwin's book. Sow seeds of doubt in the word of God in the very beginning of the book and they doubt the rest of it. It's the very reason Satan pushes it. "Did God really say" applies to the entire word of God. It's been his go to question since Eden.

Bruv, there are ISIS terrorists coming to Christ right now. I really don't think believing in the wrong birthday for the Earth is going to stop the Holy Spirit for most people.

I think darwin might have been on to something.

What do you mean?

Different species have similar dna and look very similar, so different species could’ve had ancestors with similar dna.

I think that's a reasonable conclusion.
If we take the chemicals found in biological life, they're very similar to the chemicals found in the earth: primarily carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. This would seem to line up with the description in Genesis 2, where God created life out of the dust of the earth.