i donate to a church. i do not donate to government.

MAGA predates America, then?
Because poverty has always been present in some form...

L response dude. A child could have done better.

Lol deleted your comment after getting called out. Maybe you literally are a child. And MAGA isn't causing a need for more charity when MAGAs policies are creating a freer more fair and affordable economy for everyone. That's why MAGA won the election and hatred - I mean, fascism, I mean Democrats lost.
Still- I'd rather be ruled by fascist Democrats than socialists.

What universe are you living in where there isn't a need for charity? Also, pretty sure MAGA is kicking the hell out of the left when it comes to charitable giving and volunteer time.

You mean free markets? We used to have free markets, but even still voluntary charity was necessary to help the most destitute among us.

Charity is sharing, sure.

Distributing tax dollars for entitlements is not. Not at all.

They don't want to actually help people - they just want to government to take from others to give to the poor and then claim that it's "compassionate" so that they don't feel guilty about never volunteering and never donating.

I accept your challenge: present your donation receipts.

You challenged me and said you could provide them: you make the first move. Unless you can't, which is 100% likely given how much you lie.

Your challenge, your move. You said you have receipts and I'm calling you a liar. You don't have receipts. But I'm willing to apologize if you present them.
Also you forgot to log into your alt when you responded to yourself.

Hey I'm still waiting for you to produce your receipts. Apparently along with all the people who also believe that you are a lying liar who lies and downvoted you to oblivion.

Ignorant comment award. Christian charities respond to manmade and natural disasters, asking for nothing from those in need. Even our national response plans require the same charities to respond.

Instead of hating people that are better than you are why don't you try educating yourself and joining them. Granted it is extremely unlikely, but you might discover that you like being part of the solution and not the problem.

Yeah, you're spot on. Socialists keep saying “voluntary charity = socialism” which is really ignorant. If that’s true, conservative Christians are the real socialists, cuz we’ve been out-giving and out-volunteering everyone else in the country. Red states have crushed blue states on hours volunteered every year since 2000 or so. So yeah… if charity = socialism, guess who’s winning? 😅
-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X21000752
-https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/who-gives-more-liberals-or-conservatives/
-https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/whod-a-thunk-it-states-that-vote-republican-have-higher-volunteer-rates-than-states-leaning-left/

Okay. Then Christians are better socialists than socialists. I support altering our countries policies to become more Christian.

He is full of it, see my response to his madness.

Yep. He is an classic case of the phrase "People don't have ideas, ideas have people."

True, never let the left control the narrative they will just twist it

The greatest hoarders of wealth in history were 20th-century socialist dictators; men who seized through force at the barrel of a gun. In free market societies, people can voluntarily give away and donate however much they see fit to charity. They are in control of when, how, and why they voluntarily give out of kindness. If kindness already flows freely without coercion, why would replacing VOLUNTARY generosity with state-enforced redistribution, something backed by ZERO historical successes that we can point to, produce anything but less freedom and worse outcomes?

That's called fascism friend.

True. Socialism has come in the form of fascism in the past like the German nazi party. We should learn from the 20th centuries greatest failures and avoid socialism in all its forms. Voluntary generosity by free people works.

The concept of force turns all of the government styles into fascism friend

You're welcome. Happy to help. You realize of course that your argument completely falls apart with 3 minutes of thinking. Theres no equivalent between fascism-socialisms, who's mechanisms actually are designed to place power and control in the hands of a few and free markets where sometimes that's a temporary outcome (usually as a result of cronyism) until a new product or service comes along and dethrones them because people are free to buy, sell, trade, and build as they want. If there are "oligarchs" in a free market, it's usually by corruption. If there are oligarchs or dictators in socialism, it's by desing.
Freedom > control.

That's the part you're missing. It's control in both systems. Control and force corrupt them ALL. It's completely disingenuous to see this in socialism but not any other systems that actively encounter the same problem.

The progression from socialism to fascism and the progression from capitalism to fascism happen for the exact same reason: Control and force

To claim one is the exclusive progenitor of that problem while actively identifying the same problems within the other via oligarchs should only be seen as intentionally being misleading about the narrative. It's truly unfortunate that you speak that way and that so many people are uneducated enough to follow along with it but your rhetoric is far from incidental in this chain and your intentional abuse of that misleading nature to assert a level of control over those who haven't had that education is morally and ethically reprehensible.

If you believe that then do you recognize socialism is a type of fascism due to its manner of enforcement by governments?

No, because any government style where the premise was socialism but is then placing the control within the hands of only a few people has now used force, and is intrinsically forcing it directly into fascism. In fact, this is also true of Capitalism. We call it an oligarchy when it's consolidated to the wealthy. Thanks for asking though. Despite the disingenuous nature of your question, it did open the door to correcting you so that others can read and be educated, which is great. So thank you.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand what free markets are.

I never said our markets are free. I said you fundamentally misunderstand what they are.

Imagine thinking our markets are free while subsidies account for $476 billion per year. You do know that one of the criteria for them being "free" is minimal or no government influence, right?

What do you think our military, prisons, medical, food, and other markets operate on? They ALL rely heavily on subsidies from the government that those industries take advantage of.

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to assert - that our markets are free.

So you're just making random comments that are unrelated to the topic? Cool. Care to speak to this topic then?

I think you're deliberately pretending to not understand what I said in an effort to shift the conversation away from what I said to protect yourself from thinking about my point. Most likely because you're afraid I'm correct.

You should think more then.

You really don't see the irony in what you just commented, do you?

You're the one who needs to think more here, bud.

An even more ignorant and unrelated comment. No Christian charity requires a tithe. You should stick to commenting on subjects you know something about.

Don't pop the bubble of his imagination! His imagination is the only place he is ever correct; let hi have this one so he can feel smart for a change!

You are right, I don't know all his alts and the circular arguments might never end and he still wouldn't have ever made an actual point.

Once again, your comment shows you know nothing about what you are trying to comment on. Socialism's goal is equality, and it pretends that one central person or organization lead by the almighty state can accomplish this magical utopia.

Charity is about filling specific needs for short duration, and while we are at it there is a massive difference between religious based and non-religious based charities. The key one being donations, and accountability.

Religious orders do a much better job of providing for their own and the people around them than even the best of the nonprofits and big named charities. In part because they know help will be there when they need it. It also helps that almost any Christian can point to a personal example of someone they know that has received some sort of help.

Non-religious charities fail to provide basic needs mostly because of costs, a quick look to see how much of the income goes to fund raising should be enough to discourage anyone from contributing to many of them more famous charities. Greed is also a factor, the Clinton's raised plenty of money to help Haiti and kept it.

Big government's social programs (occasionally confused with charities) also fail because of poor leadership, lack of accountability and political games. Fema ignoring homes in NC because of Trump flags is an example.

Socialism always fails because equity is an impossible dream. You can't force people to work for others and expect good results. Giving out of kindness does not punish anyone, poor Christians as an example give proportionately to the wealthily. Some would argue more but that is often just a distraction and another veiled attack on people of faith.

So Jefferson was a socialist?

I now see why you usually resort to an ad hominem as a deflection then exit.
Your 'rebuttal' was pretty off. You were provided facts and countered with an opinion piece.

BS!

Now that I can comment again after your report tirade because you weren't winning an argument and then you reported the meme I made just to let you personally know that I couldn't comment:

Your last post is using equity and equality interchangeably and it is a gleaming example of not understanding the difference between the two.

Secondly, you assume the concept of force rather than consent - but force is a fascist and capitalist concept that, if introduced to socialism only results IN fascism (irony because force does the same thing to capitalism...). This tells me you also do not understand the concept of socialism or force.

You do have one important distinction though. You are right. The funding pools and distribution chains are typically vastly different between church related and business charity. Unfortunately, most charities that are ran like businesses do have other costs. Generally, for a charity to reach the scope that those ones do requires a large scale of time and effort and unless someone is vastly wealthy in the first place, they can't devote their life to this. You'll notice, there isn't a large group of fantastically wealthy people doing this, so we need to pay the others who do. The wealthy could do that cost free but they don't. They drop a few dollars in the charity plate at church and pretend they are doing their part while others spend their whole life trying to raise funds and distribute them to help the community.

Capitalists limping in tiny volumes of money comparatively and doing nothing to help charity itself is pretty gross if you ask me.

Thought you do have a valid point that many business charities have been found guilty of impropriety as well. Less often than church staff are charged with assaulting minors but it does happen.