Lie Cheat Steal — and, Recycle Old Lies

So you want to tell me stuff written over 2000 years ago aplies to modern day science (or sci-fi in this case rather)?

Ever hear the expression:
“You don’t even know what you don’t know.”

Evidently, you are oblivious to the truths spoken of in the Bible. We can’t have a serious discussion
—nor can you comprehend what I’m saying—
until you become familiar with this thing you
mock: the Bible.

And…. The answer to your question is YES

Christians claim that atheists aren't capable of morality. On the contrary: it's precisely because we care about morality that we reject a revolting violent Bronze-Age text that condones the most unbelievably immoral acts imaginable. It has no place whatsoever in a modern democratic society. If you want to build you society on that, then no surprise you have problems. Some of us have values that don't depend on what some immoral person wrote thousands of years ago. Burn it.

I don't know any follower of Christ that states that atheists can't be moral. That being said, the disdain for something you simply don't understand maybe needs to be tempered with the knowledge that of all the available information none of us can claim to know more than 1 or 2 percent of that which is known. We also know far less than that of that which is unknown. In the case of the unbeliever, God occupies that 99%. Deeper understanding of an immortal, omnipotent, and omnipresent Being can only come from that Being. Reading the word of God cannot bring the necessary understanding without God's assistance. Please remember, you have been told that truth, The Truth, is found within the pages of the Bible. The messages of love, peace, grace, salvation, and redemption are the primary focus of the entire book. When any of our bodies cease to function in this world, our essence continues on. Each of us is allowed to choose where we wish to live in eternity. The immoral acts described within its pages: murder, lieing, infant sacrifices, adultery, fornication, hate, and the rest show that we are all broken. Evil acts aren't promoted or celebrated but they are listed. None of us can possibly be "good enough" in this life to enter into the existence of the perfectly just presence of God on our own. Hating another fellow human is equated to murder in the pages of the Bible. Only the mercy of God allows us to experience His ultimate Goodness through His saving Grace. We are freely allowed to love Him, hate Him, or ignore Him in this short dash of time known as a lifespan. God built that into His creation. A creation that far too many pass off as random. Choose whichever path you will. By the time we reach out final destination. We WILL all believe. Believe it... or not.

>I don't know any follower of Christ that states that atheists can't be moral.

It's a common argument, actually. Apparently we have no morals and go out every night to f**k goats and murder people and sacrifice chickens to Satan or sth lol.

Disdain: fair point. I got a bit trigger-happy.

>We also know far less than that of that which is unknown

Agree.

>Evil acts aren't promoted or celebrated but they are listed.

Not sure. There's a lot of stories in the OT, like Kings, that seem to condone this stuff. YHWH commanded it. The peace and love stuff is from the NT.

Anyway, thank you for your respectful level-headed contribution even to my admittedly offensive emotional post. I appreciate that. 🙏

We all die one day. I guess we find out then. Or maybe not?

This world we live in, the world you look out your window at, it would not exist if it wasn't for the Bible. The Bible may have its flaws like any other religion, but it's the only religion that provided a path to progress and the modern world. Ironically, the Bible is the reason why we don't stone people to death for taking a crap on the Sabbath like the Bible commands. You go to other parts of the world, and stoning is still a thing, and the Bible is not the text that they're following.

People from other religions don't stone people? Like whom?

Australian Aboriginals used to stone women to death if it turned out they weren't virgins when they were preparing for marriage. Stone them. To death. Because their hymens weren't intact.

India has more cows than the rest of the planet. Combined. And yet Hindus would rather starve than eat one. And they starve a lot. Yet they have no qualms about rioting against Muslims and flattening entire villages, literally killing thousands of people at a time.
No McDonald's, but when the husband dies, the wife gets to throw herself on the funeral pyre.

The Rohingya Genocide began when Buddhist monks were leading a procession and then suddenly they pointed their fingers and said go get 'em, boys. Buddhist monks. Who literally won't hurt a fly. Started a genocide. For no reason. Other than Rohingyas being Muslim. And it's still going on today. Not just Buddhists, Bhuddist monks.

What is it, only 10% of Brits claim to still be religious? Yet Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK? You do the math. And see how much of this talk you'll be able to get away with in two or three decades.

Never going to happen, huh? The country that invented the National Front. That invented Neo-Nazi skinheads. Went from Paki Bashing Saturdays in the 1980s to Rotherham Rapes now. In the space of a single generation. The country that is responsible for more murder in the world than all other nations, now cowers as its former slaves come home to roost. The country that cause millions of Bangladeshi to starve to death over a salt tax. A tax on salt. Famine. Now looks the other way while its daughters think that getting raped by gangs and forced into prostitution is a normal part of being an adolescent. It's been turned into a rite of passage.

What, it's simply a misunderstanding and by realizing how nice then Brits really are its new overlords will simply just decide to be nicer to them in return and just stop raping them? And in certain sectors of London and whatnot they'll stop slapping beers out of the hands of youth who walked down the wrong street?

Be careful what you wish for, because you already got it. And you don't know it yet. And this time around, they won't be a Catholic Church to repel them like it did the Muslims back in the day. Like it did the Mongols back in the day.

That the morality of atheist bears a curious resemblance to that of that of their Christian parents is hardly coincidental.

Truths spoken of in the Bible?

You mean like the truth that Satan was not in the Genesis story,

or that he (or rather, they?) sat at the Divine Council with the other GodS?

You mean those truths?

Satan doesn't exist. Neither does the Tooth Fairy. Or Santa Claus. Or any other silly fairy tale for simple-minded people.

Are we adults here?