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Israel vs Hamas | PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN, WHY THE ISRAELI SOLIDER HERE IS IN THE WRONG? AND WHY THE HAMAS TERRORIST IS THE A VICTIM? | image tagged in israel vs hamas | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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4 ups, 1d,
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I would like to invite you to the Pro Israel Coalition stream. Full of people who arent insane and dont support terrorists.
1 up, 1d
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4 ups, 1d
This meme is faulty!! The baby should be a shield in front of the Hamas terrorist! Then it would be accurate. You give this coward terrorist way too much credit!
3 ups, 2d
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/usaid-reuters-dismiss-mountain-evidence-194005217.html
2 ups, 1d
US-backed Gaza aid org. says Hamas is targeting its staff in Gaza
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-859299

https://www.foxnews.com/world/terror-gaza-hamas-offers-bounties-kill-us-local-aid-workers-group-says

https://www.foxnews.com/world/israel-releases-conversations-gaza-residents-amid-criticisms-aid-delivery-system
4 ups, 1d,
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1 up, 1d
Nice flag. I have no issue with it btw fwiw. But how does that add to the debate?
1 up, 9h,
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Hamas was certainly the aggressor in this situation (ignoring for now the 75 years of history and conflict). However, it's abundantly clear that the Israeli military has acted, at very least, with horrifically blatant disregard for Palestinian (civilian) life. Does this mean that Hamas is excused or that the hostages should not be returned? Or that Hamas does not use dirty tactics to escalate the humanitarian situation in Gaza? No. Nor does it mean that antisemitism or targeting of Jews or Israelis is ever justified.
But Israel is clearly acting in massively destructive and deadly ways that are not needed for a "military offensive."
Here are some articles from Haaretz, an (admittedly left-of-center, but still widely respected) actually Israeli newspaper, outlining just some of the callousness (again, at VERY least) of Israel's government towards Gaza:
archive.ph/sUacS
archive.ph/cfTH1
archive.ph/m4jzt

A little addendum: Netanyahu at least seems a little bit too eager to "encourage" Palestinians to want to emigrate away from their homes: "We are destroying more and more homes, and Gazans have nowhere to return to. The only inevitable outcome will be the wish of Gazans to emigrate outside of the Gaza Strip."
Further, he seems to not quite leave off the table Israeli settlements in Gaza. "We are not talking about Israeli settlement in the Gaza Strip RIGHT NOW." (emphasis mine).
My source here is the Jerusalem Post, a paper by no means very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause (www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-853568)
Let me remind you, trying to force away a specific ethnic group from an area IS ethnic cleansing.

Innocent Israeli suffering from Hamas terrorism IS real--their attack on October 7 was horrific and barbaric--but we cannot let Israel off the hook for inflicting immeasurable suffering on Palestinians. That's not antisemitic; that's human. Same as we cannot let off the RSF and SAF in Sudan, Kim Jong Un in North Korea, the CCP in China, the Russian military and Wagner group, or Hamas in Gaza. Any state-sponsored assault on human life and dignity needs to be confronted and condemned.
0 ups, 8h,
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Actually pounding an enemy to the point they're no longer a threat is generally what's needed in a military offensive. Every time Israel lets up, it ends with Hamas attacking again. They have a very long history of doing this and using aid meant for the people to bolster themselves to do so.

Responses are harsh, and sometimes overly so, but they at least try for peace. Hamas always tries for more conflict.
2 ups, 7h
But let's just look specifically at Israel's policy on food aid. All 2.1 MILLION Gazans are facing food insecurity right now, and 60% of them (~1.3 million) are facing CATASTROPHIC levels of food insecurity (ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1157985/). The GHF, which the UN consistently warned was not being properly thought through to deliver sufficient aid, has in fact not helped stem the tide on Gaza's famine-level conditions (the first archived article I linked).

The reason your article says the GHF is the "only functioning aid delivery system in Gaza" is because Israel has made it difficult for other aid groups to get aid in. For instance, any internal movement in Gaza by these aid groups has to be approved by the IDF (for example, "we would like to drive to Rafah")--only around 1/4 of these requests were approved (same link). And while it's certainly plausible that Hamas is targeting GHF workers, the fact that Israel's military action has killed over 450 aid workers (unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/humanitarian-situation-update-292-gaza-strip) has certainly had a far bigger impact. And Israel has multiple times struck aid groups that had "done everything right" and coordinated with the IDF (https://shorturl.at/IXqBR).

And yes, aid trucks are very commonly looted, but surely, SURELY, in a place where over a million desperate people are on the brink of DEATH from starvation, we can't chalk this all up to Hamas, which Israel has, I'll admit, weakened quite a lot.

I just don't see how failing to get food into Gaza as urgently as possible helps defeat Hamas. And let me remind you that in the long run, desperate, embattered, and devastated people are far more likely to seek violent instead of diplomatic resolutions. Just imagine how you'd react if a coworker you don't like came to your house, killed your parents, and then took all your food (again, ignoring a long history).

As for Israel "trying for peace," I have extreme concerns about Israel's commitment to any two-state solution. "The Knesset declared its opposition to the establishment of a Palestinian state west of the Jordan River... This resolution effectively removed the concept of a Palestinian state from the agenda." (jpost.com/israel-news/article-862007). And the state seems intent to keep expanding (illegal) settlements in the West Bank... (bbc.com/news/articles/c1j5954edlno)
1 up, 16h
1 up, 16h,
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Well that isn't a gross oversimplification
0 ups, 11h
No, I'm pointing out the root that keep the thing from being solved.
1 up, 12h
Hamas is a bunch of bastards
0 ups, 1d,
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On this meme who is the one stealing territory?
1 up, 20h,
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Are you gong to give your land back to those it was stolen from?
1 up, 12h
Huh. . .didn't know anyone from Jericho and those other places survived to have descendants. Sure there was Rahab(Jericho) but she and her family stuck with the Hebrews.
1 up, 12h
The hamas fighter.
0 ups, 1d,
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You're attempting to oversimplify an insanely complex situation and a conflict that has been raging for over 75 years. And you can't even spell.
1 up, 20h
Nom I'm pointing out the root that keep the thing from being solved.
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