There is no difference

Nope, according to Trumpers they're the same picture. And equally deportable. All it takes is a wave of Trump's hand to cancel their naturalization.

Case law history says they weren't naturalized when born. Please do some research.

I've read of cases where US citizens of foreign parents with US citizenship have been deported by the Trump administration back to their "country of origin", even though they may have never set foot there and don't even speak the language. Now they're stateless and destitute.

Eg:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/08/us/jamaica-deportation-migrant-ice-us

Guy was born on a US army base in Germany to a US citizen of Jamaican origin who served in the US military for around 15 years (talk about being rewarded for risking your life for your country and serving it). Now he's officially stateless and homeless in Jamaica (because he can't legally work there), a country he'd apparently never even been to. He doesn't even speak the language (Jamaican Patwah).

He grew up his whole life in the US and has been treated like some foreign criminal, and can't see his own family. The only thing he can do now is possibly apply for Jamaican citizenship through his late father, but who knows when he'll see his family and kids again (if ever). Stay classy. It's not like he turned up on a boat from Jamaica a few years ago. He's American ffs. Ripping US citizens potentially permanently from their own children is totally American, right?

Yes, he was in prison a few times, so he's a "bad" person, I guess. But don't US citizens (even criminals) get the right to at least be sent to US prisons rather than deported "back" to countries they have no real practical or cultural connection to?

Stay classy, Trumpland. The world is watching, btw. Don't think we aren't or will forget this stuff. We're not super impressed. At the very least, it's a bit shameful. And not exactly "Christian". You're really bringing your entire country into disrepute and the rest of the world is taking note. The US is not the democratic nation we once thought it was. And Europe is slowly regrouping because they realize they can't rely on you as an ally. I hope you're happy about that. You're in danger of becoming a pariah.

What if Ivana is found to have committed a crime? Or Musk? Shall we deport them back to where they "came from" too? I'm not even sure Musk immigrated legally anyway. But he is (or was) the richest person on earth, so who cares? He can basically buy a passport to anywhere anyway.

So yes, Trump is arguably acting a bit like a dictator, sorry. This is the kind of thing you expect from "third-world" despotic regimes that don't GAF about human rights, not the "Land of the free". No offence.

That's sad if true, but were they born to a US citizen or an adult anchor baby?

One case does not invalidate the entire process.

As far as I know, they were born to a Jamaican who became a US citizen who served for the US military for over 15 years. Now they're stateless even though they have kids in the US and have never lived in Jamaica.

The technical issue was they were born on a US army base in Germany which technically isn't US soil.

It's a mess.

They're now stateless and homeless in Jamaica, in a country they never even visited and have no rights to work in. That's pretty sad. They grew up in the US. And their dad served for years to defend the US. They have kids in the US that they can't even visit. that's a bit f**ked up.

What do we do with people like that?

I get that we need immigration rules. Every country has that. We can't just let anyone walk in. But can't we at least do it in a humane way? This guy is literally a US citizen with a family in the US and spent his entire life growing up in the US, and has now been sent to Jamaica, a country he has no real connection to (other than the fact his father was from there). Do you see the problem?

If one of their parents is a naturalized US citizen then it doesn't matter where they are born. They need to go to a US embassy and get a free flight back.

That's just it. This guy's dad was a US citizen. But he was born on a US army base in Germany.

He got deported by Trump like he was an illegal immigrant even though he lived his entire life as a US citizen.

Is that what you expect from from a modern democratic country? Now he's in Jamaica. He doesn't even speak the language ffs.

That will be corrected then.

Will it? This guy is still in limbo and stateless.

His dad literally served in the US military for over 15 years. I'm no fan of war but even I find that a bit disgusting.

His dad literally risked his life for the US for over 15 years, and his son has been "deported" back to a country he has no connection to. Is this a joke?? Is this what Trumpism represents?

You've stopped a US citizen seeing his own kids. That's pretty disgusting. I'm sorry. Even if he's a "criminal". Fine. But, at least keep him in prison in the US so he can see his kids. Explain yourselves.

It's pretty disgusting. Wait til it happens to you.

That's the problem. Trump doesn't care.

Literal US Citizens are being f**ked over. Do you think Trump gives a shit?

We're not just talking about illegal Mexican immigrants. Legal US citizens who've lived their whole lives lives in the US are getting f**ked over. That's a bit f**ked up, no offence.

You can say they're just leftwing losers if you want.

But we're talking about actual US citizens who lived their whole lives in the US and have now been deported to countries they know nothing about. That's pretty f**ked up, no offence.

You are talking about a single person. We are talking about hundreds and thousands of people. Please get some perspective.

Okay, I'll try and get some perspective. And yes, it's a single person. I gave a single example.

I see Trump committing human rights abuses on a small scale (compared with other regimes).

I think we need to keep an eye on him. I don't think Trump will be the next Hitler fwiw. But he's definitely doing things that are straight out of the fascist playbook. I don't think he's gonna open death camps and that's overhyped. Actually, he often shows a lot of morality. I think he's not anything like Hitler. He's still a bit crazy though.

This is the thing. Trump is f**king people over. Even US citizens.

We probably agree on a lot of stuff.

Trump is a lunatic.

Imagine if your friend grew grew up all their life in America.

But their parents are from abroad.

Then one day your friend gets deported.

This is is the kind of thing of thing we're talkng about.

See then you conflate a single occurrence with all the other ones that were legitimate. This is normal that a few people will get swept up in raids that shouldn't. This will be corrected and the rest of the violent criminal illegal aliens will be removed.
If someone wants to become a US citizen they can apply for citizenship.
The real issues is congress needs to expedite and streamline the citizenship process. That's the real issue that no one wants to talk about.

I think we can both agree we need a reasonable approach. You actually seem like a reasonable person.

This guy is literally a US citizen. He lived his whole life as an American. Imagine you had a grandfather from Puerto Rico and were suddenly told you were going to be deported there? And now you're in Puerto Rico with no rights to work or anything. And you don't know when you'll see your kids again.

This guy may have committed crimes, fine. But then trial him in the US and if it's serious enough send him to prison in the US.

But to strip him of his entire citizenship is pretty draconian.

Now he's stuck homeless and stateless in a country he has no real connection to and can't work. And can't see his kids.

I'm not a father. I don't know if you are. But I think that's pretty harsh. Imagine living your life as a US citizen and then being sent to the country of your father, which you have no connection with. Where you don't even understand the language.

And you are stuck there and can't see your own kids.

I think that's pretty harsh. Can you see this is a problem? This guy may have a criminal record. No one is denying that. But does he deserve to never see his kids again? Or be left destitute in a country where he has no right to even work? That's kind of heartbreaking, to be honest.

This is Trump's legacy.

Well, they do all pick corn. You realize we have machines for most picking? handle my head of lettuce

Ooh nice. You finally built that wall. 🥳