I just joined this stream in the hopes of seeing some civil discussions, but all i see is MAGA guys

What is your problem with Americans striving to Make America Great Again?

One doesn't have to be an American, nor a Republican, nor don a red hat to appreciate the effort to progress in an exceptional manner of accomplishing seemingly insurmountable obstacles or tasks.

The Libweirdos that exist on this stream, are just unwilling to engage in a Civil Discussion with most, as they've got too many FEELS and fears to lead with, rather than express any rational, logical reasoning or links to support such with evidence of the civility you cite.

Apparently they get too offended by the far right purely MAGA that share this site, with many in the middle observing the two extreme opposites go at it.
Maybe, It only Feels to you that there is more maga on this stream,
as at this time of year, most people in the Northern Hemisphere go outside..

i dont have a problem with them, as i said in the beginning.

HOWEVER: calling people libweirdos doesnt really sound civil, something you seem to promote. I dont have a problem with people striving to make stuff great again, and i have never said im anti this or anti that.

Im just wondering. Making stuff great is good, but MAGA is doing it through spreading lies and faking news. Now we can have a discussion about whether what they say is true or not, but thats useless bc neither of us will listen to eachother.

So far trump hasnt really shown yet that he can make america great again, seeing the fact that the dollar isnt trusted anymore and the national debt has only grown so far. Closing the ministry of school or whatever you call it also doesnt show a MAKE IT GREAT AGAIN atitude. And this stream is just full of insults towards the 'Leftys' or 'Demotards' so i'd understand why someone wouldn't want to discuss anything when all there will happen is just insults thrown at each other.

The last sentence you said just proves this.Trying to insult me personally, why should i try to converse with you...

1-Libtards is not civil. Frankly, using the term is not a good look. That's just one opinon.
Being a Liberal and at the same time WEIRD about it is more civil than using LibTard, combining Liberal Lefty with Retort as others copiously use as Libtard is their free speech. Even if going "Full Retail"
was a comment made by a character in a parody movie of VietNam War movies.

In that comparison, does using Libweirdo show more discretion than using Libtard ?

2-Please provide evidence with links of your claims of lies and faking news.
If not, such claims are "anti this or anti that" and it is only an expression of your feels and opinions,
of which you're entitled Oh, and 'stuff' is not america

3-The Dollar isn't trusted anymore because Biden/Pelosi/Schumer overspent, and put us into a predicament right where the Broligarchs that wish to establish a Global Digital Currency want everyone, so they can get on board with ditching the dollar; and maybe starting the Technocracy Inc. idea of value replacing the monetary system with an energy credit system to control, errr SAVE the world. One imagines Cap'n Carotene or the Tangerine Tyrant or whatever you wish to label Trump will be there to claim the WIN. Broligarchs may just care less who takes the credit for the wins, as long as their agenda is advanced.

4-The "minsistry of school" as you state was only a creation in 1980. It is a relatively new and failed concept of federal intrusion into what has always been localized control. Cities, Counties and States handle education money regionally spent and taxed better than a Bureaucratic One size fits all Grift.
Turns out that Bureaucracy only wanted to advance a Marxist Social Agenda, rather than an Academic Excellence one. Localized options actually does make it as great as it was prior to 1980

5. No offense intended. So, maybe it doesn't feel that way to you, I'm willing to entertain that.
Thank you for correcting my error. TBH, no offense intended, and evidently offense was taken.
Forgive me for the comment that was internalized by you as impolite. Civil enough ?

yeah, this is civil enough, thanks. this was also what i was looking for. With the faking news i meant his talk about 'white genocide' in africa. Im afraid i cant give you links of that one, they are all in my language. It has been debunked multiple times in English tho, you can search it up. If you search: is there really a white genocide? You get plenty of proof. Sorry for my bad english btw. Its not my homelanguage, and sadly I am not that good at that. Ive conducted research for school about the US Dollar, and sadly the main reason they say in Europe is bc they find Trump to unpredictable to trust the currency anymore. That is what is viewed in Europe, and we are using the dollar the most besides the american continent. Also the name change for the gulf of mexico. Completely useless, and it costs a lot of money to change the name. I thought we wanted to get rid of useless money-spending.

You win an upvote for the following:

1. Cool meme lol 🥳
2. Taking the time to write an in-depth response 📜
3. Expressing and explaining your opinions calmly (which is separate to whether we all agree on everything)
4. Being nice at the end 🤗

Libweirdo haha. Gotta add that to my lexicon to troll the salty leftard snowflakes.

Why should you try to converse? I mean, have you got any better hobbies as fun as that? I rest my case.

PS The correct commonly agreed-upon academic term is "demonrats". "Demotard" is a bit dated and may be seen as pejorative these days so be careful using it. Thank me later.

i gotta add though, in europe your democrats would be considered far-right. I myself identify myself more with left than right. I hope that wont bother you.

One ought not be bothered by that, unless one is setting the stage for
C4IR globally, The Singularity, and The Technate:

"As far as technocracy's ideas are concerned. We're so far left that we make communism look bourgeois." -Howard Scott of the Technocracy Movement of which one of the leaders was
John Haldeman, maternal grandfather of Elon Musk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._King_Hubbert
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Have fun identifying with "the left of Europe"
The USA citizens have always tolerated such when one stays in their lane and leaves the rest of us out of globalist euro-schemes.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/New-Left

Once a Marxist always a Marxist.

The Frankfurt School originally of East Block Germany, has infiltrated every state aspect of government in the USA, and as well stated, at least 180 countries by design globally.
Marxism as a conceivably viable form of governance,
is a dinosaur that one day may become as extinct. One can hope.

One can't blame any Euros for falling for that Marxist garbage over and over again,
as individuals that have generationally NEVER known the individual Liberty and Freedom
that the first 10 Amendments, the Bill of Rights,
of the U.S. Constitution acknowledges; that the spring welling up within has a source,
one that is granted by Natural Law, and Not The State. It's only 4 pages long. Read it someday

The concept that is Natural to USA citizens, is a foreign notion to a majority of citizens
upon the earth, yet yearns from within to be actualized Globally, as is human nature.
Tolerance is not a bother. Yet Herbert Marcuse sees tolerance as a tool to test boundaries.
Don't be a Tool.

here is the link to back it up btw https://protectdemocracy.org/threat-index/

i gotta say though, marxism is as death as the ussr in europe. And i can sadly see we are more free than america, since all of our votes count the same. In some of your states the votes count more than other states. And im gonna have to say it, but if america is so free why arent abortions in there yet. We have laws about that, and we can abort a child if we want. And dont start with the abortions are murder because you guys do allow guns in your country. America right now is going towards an autocracie. And believe me, i know what freedom is like. I have the freedom to go to school, love who i want to love (im not lhbtiq+ tho), can believe what i want to and can vote who i want to vote. We also say that you can do whatever you want with your body, aslong as it doesnt hurt other people (here im reffering to drugs etc, its something you can do with your body but you cannot use it bc if you hit someone with a car while high you can count that as hurting). Yes, in a financial view we can say that we are less 'free' then americans, but the fact that we have to get usselves medical care is so everyone helps each other. Medical care, isnt that a huge problem? And yes, there are extreme lefts, but they arent in the power. My country was extreme right and just now theyve said they stopped doing that because they kept failing. ''EuRoPe Is CoMmUnIsT' is just one sentence trump uses to change you guys into a tool. dont be a fool, resist being a tool...

Can you own property, like dirt under your house that belongs to you ?
Are you really more free than citizens in America?

Many, many States in the USA perform as many or more Abortions today legally, than they did prior to the overturning of Unconstitutional Roe Vs. Wade . Without ANY restrictions as to gestational age. At least in the 1967 Abortion Bill in the U.K. it defines legal as prior to a set gestational age, then is illegal after that threshold and then the fetus is considered a Baby, rather than a collection of cells as a glob or a mass of tissue as if a benign tumor.

In the USA, our neighbors freedom stops, where their neighbors freedom begins.
"because you guys do allow guns in your country" You mean you guys do not ?
Name one country that lacks a military or police force allowed to own guns on behalf of the state? Are they responsible with them? Do you allow a screwdriver in your country? The USA does too. We are FREE to be RESPONSIBLE with them if we so Freely choose, or not.

We don't have to own them, yet we can. In the USA, they do not 'allow guns', for the first 10 amendments of our Constitution, our Bill of Rights are NATURAL RIGHTS, and for 250 years USA citizens have a RATIFIED UNION of a Constitutional Republic, where it is agreed that Natural Rights are endowed by our creator, acknowledging these rights is a formality. The right to own property, including weapons, is a right of freedom for every responsible human.

Our neighbors owning guns does not matter one hill of beans. They've done so for 250 years. They are just a metal pipe, with wood or plastic attached. They are harmless in the majority of human beings hands. Civil human beings hands. The problem with screwdrivers is when an uncivil human being decides to use a useful tool to harm others in public.

That weapon that you're afraid of and have a restricted opinion on, well, there exist 400 Million of them in the USA, and ALL of them are personal property that belong to individual citizens, not to the state, and not to you, or any other Euro.

Weapons are LEGAL Property for citizens of the USA to own and openly carry. That property is individual, as is any other legal property; it is protected by the 4th and 5th amendment as to
when the state takes it for the public good, it must compensate for value.

We have our own new left version of uniquely American Marxism, not necessarily communism yet, but if it succeeds, that is where it will head. It always has elsewhere.

civilians cant own guns, and i think you know well that that was what i meant. You guys have one of the highest murder rates with guns. you guys can all freely choose to kill each other, thats your freedom? and yes we can own the ground under our feet, whatever that matters. A screwdriver isnt made to kill, a gun is. what other use is there for a gun?

300million Civilians can and do own 400million firearms in the USA.
tbh, I don't know what you meant. Not until you communicate your opinion,
no matter how vile, and offensive it may be. USA citizens CANNOT freely choose to kill each other without consequence. So, NO, that is not our freedom.
Weird thing to say, on your part, yet not surprising to hear from another nation state citizen.

Regarding other uses; there are several and you can find most on youtube, with a search as you might start with waterfowl legal methods of taking game, upland bird legal methods,
large game animal legal methods, or for fun target enthusiasts, or Olympic skeet or biathlon. Or, try Varmint eradication.

-and in addition there is protection and defense of ones own life in their own domicile against the state entering without a warrant, or if life is threatened by a thief/attempted murderer, breaking and entering ones house or home, or domicile, w/o ones permission:

-Also, the best legal other use allegedly is found here in the first colony that became a member of the Union of these United States:
Have you ever seen the Flag of the Commonwealth of Virginia ?
The Virginia Resolves were the basis for The USA Bill of Rights.
There's a cartoon depiction and writing in Latin underneath that cartoon on their Flag.

Opinions are free, even poor ones.

Too bad you choose not to comment on the rest, for it was expressed in direct reply to your query.

If you are unwilling to engage in a discussion and are here to grace us all with your idea of benevolent statism, while enjoying your own personal sense of moral superiority, well, good for you. Enjoy it while you are able. Life is short.

I think the Rooftop Koreans, businessmen in Los Angeles in 1992,
just might have something interesting to say.

Sic semper tyrannis

Not gonna comment on the rest of your message (although I do agree with your point about no one being "free" to just murder using guns without consequences (assuming they're caught and found guilty anyway) whether they're legally allowed to possess them or not, because law and morality still apply), but just to say that, to be fair, they said "made to kill", which arguably includes all life, not just humans.

The only uses of guns that I can actually think of myself that don't involve taking the life of a living organism are, as you correctly pointed out, target practice or for sport. But yeah.

Screwdrivers have lots of other practical uses and are not designed primarily to deliberately take life, although they can of course be used for that purpose (just as any number of common household items can, or other everyday things like vehicles, as we've all seen horrifying examples of on the news). But that's not what they're designed for.

Guns, on the other hand, don't have any other practical *non-lethal* purpose that I can see other than the target practice/sports ones we've both mentioned (and maybe, at a pinch, niche cases like blowing open a locked door or destroying explosives from a distance or something). I think that was their point. Even if many anti-gun people don't necessarily have a problem with shooting rabbits on a farm or whatever. (That's a different debate, but the point is about the primary purpose of guns being to kill (something).)

(Even if you argue that guns can also be used as a deterrent or for training purposes, that arguably still only relates to the fact they are designed for lethal purposes. The deterrent factor is precisely because the other person knows your weapon has the power to kill them.)

Also I'd argue similarly that the difference in lethality between a screwdriver or even a knife/sword/machete, etc versus a firearm is enormous. There have been cases where someone let loose with a knife or non-firearm and attacked innocent people. I think we can all agree that the consequences, had they had access to a firearm (let alone an automatic one), can't even be compared. So I, for one, would prefer to live in a world where access to firearms was restricted, or, at least, heavily controlled and regulated (it already is, even in the US, but mass shootings in the US are still all too common, where they're virtually, if not entirely, unheard of in so many other parts of the world where guns aren't commonplace).

Apparently in your nation, you've Never Heard of 1992 "Rooftop Koreans" in L.A. California
They could probably fill you in on one of the other uses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooftop_Koreans

GrimNemo, it appears flipmymeme has flipped out and decided to reply for you.

Or, is yours an alt account ?

no, he is not my alt. also, i dont really know the guy. i also dont know what you mean with 'rooftop koreans' because im not an american. im not engaging in this discussion because im busy with life.The only reason i was reacting to you was because you are calling europeans unfree and communist. its just not true. i can try to change your mind and you can try to change my mind, but in the end we wont listen to each other. life is short, no point wasting it on pointless discussions. lets just agree to disagree and respect each others opinion. good luck in america, the time will show us who was right. no harm meant

🤣 I was just about to say, "Uh, dude, I think you're replying to the wrong person." Pretty sure that's not me. Give them time. No one can (or even is arguably required to) reply to everything, especially not the same day, or even week (or even ever?). People have lives outside of the internet (I hear some of them do, anyway 🤭). Besides, they're probably in bed or out with their friends or at work or something lol. Time zones, remember? 😉

Anyway I chose to only comment on one thing because we can't spend our entire lives on this site, fun though it may be. And even that practically maxxed out the word count.

I thought I *was* actually engaging in a discussion, to be fair (not sure what else I should add 🤔), and also not here to project a sense of my own moral superiority fwiw. God can judge me later, if he exists, but that's my problem. (Unless that was directed at the other person's posts, in which case ignore this. I'm not their bodyguard. 😄)

"Enjoy it while you are able. Life is short."

With that I wholeheartedly agree with you though. Have a good one. x

also, a screwdriver is way less lethal than a gun, so comparing those is like comparing an ant with an elephant, yes an ant can sting you and that can hurt, but an elephant can sit on you and you are dead.

Like the ground that you can own under your feet, legal personal property is personal and thus if taken is theft. What right have you (or the governing state on your behalf)
to do anything with your neighbors property ?

If my neighbors own firearms, it is not my concern, nor yours, as it is their legal property.
Here, by statistics alone, the neighbors almost certainly are in possession of at least one, if not more.
It really is none of your business. Yet, you are free to express an opinion in regards to that.
People do here everyday.

Your hypothetical rant on Murder and Method is somewhat comical, or at best, farcical.
Murder is Murder regardless of method or tool. It's evil and always wrong.

What is the Guillotine to France ?

BRILLIANT !

Oh no, yet another bleeding-heart leftie. 😵 I'll have to keep an eye on you. Don't forget to eat your tacos. They're delicious and full of nutrients.

(Google it if you're confused. Latest meme trend to troll the Orange Man. If not, spend 5 mins scrolling and you'll find a few. Trump supporters love it.)

Also don't forget to disable all your comments. That's in the group rules too. Only Conservatives are allowed to enable comments and debate with people. We'll let you off the first few times since you're new.

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"You wanna buy a MAGA, I'll sell you a MAGA...not my best MAGA, but I'll sell you a MAGA right now?"

i get you guys like maga, but still.... try listening to others too

Listening or reading ?
Making America Great Again. What is there to like about that, right ?

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"We only listen to thy heavenly Father, the Father of truth!"

im not an american, so i do not completely understand you guys but have you been brainwashed?

Way to lead by example, demonstrating such civility with soft delicious bait.
Please, kindly provide evidence and examples to support such claims.

evidense for what? i do not understand your question...

...evidence of brainwashed; was the initial question... my bad...

For what it's worth, I asked that question prior to clicking on memcorios silly ridiculous
'father of truth' giff/meme
...that you apparently in hindsight were addressing as a "shocked" reply.

ye, i just found it weird that trump was being shown as a god, because you know. that would be a bit you know.

...over the top ?

One may imagine that might be a Memcorio goal. Maybe?

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Over the top?

Upvoted !
god Loves "Rooftop Koreans". from 1992
If one is unable to google search the wikipedia article,
one could go to Duke University press and purchase the May 1, 2025 Asian Studies online Magazine article they published, in their periodical
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Research Article| May 01 2025
The “Roof Koreans” Meme: The Collective Memory of Los Angeles 1992 in South Korea Available to Purchase
Han Sang Kim
Journal of Asian Studies (2025) Issue #84 Volume: 2: pages 497–509.

https://doi.org/10.1215/00219118-11591599

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"No, whatever in MAGA would give you that impression?"

is this satirical, god i hope this is satirical

You win a second upvote for the following:

1. Monty Python 🤡
2. Reverse-trolling skills 🧌
3. Also Monty Python 🦜

You're on fire today.

It's the dark side of American exceptionalism. And our general lack of historical or global awareness.

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Nobody fu@k$ with the Cheesus!

You forgot to read the group description: Pro-MAGA fanboy club. Libtards, please be civil and respectful or get out. Offensive content such as Taco memes will result in a warning. (Homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, Islamophobia, racism, sexism, ableism, demonizing minorities, promoting debunked or unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, and calling for ethnic cleansing are all fine.) 💪 Enjoy. 🥳

so are you maga or what, and what are taco memes?

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"T.A.C.O control, you must learn T.A.C.O control!"

Like bruh im not saying MAGA is right or wrong, but some of this is just borderline demonising everything that doesnt share your opinion.

Well, then have the courage to say that is wrong: because demonizing and dehumanizing other people clearly is wrong. Ooh, and with that -sing ending, are you British?

If he were British, might he write 'mate' and not 'bruh' ?

Nah you're thinking of Aussies, mate. Anyway the Brits usually call each other "bruv" or "bro" instead of "bruh" – or just "wanker" for short, which means more or less the same thing.

Aussies and Kiwis origins are mates of Brits,
& ironically, the results of Brits mating practices.

Bruh or bro some say has it's roots in MLK Jr. USA Civil Rights Era "Jive" as wide use cool.
Brother itself, in an extended family, has biblical origins in the New Testament,
and used by Monks in communal living, historically.
Tibetan Monks, and Christian Order Monks too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUw2fIa0dSI

Haha. Tmw you realize every time you call someone "mate" you're secretly hitting on them and looking to keep the species going. 👀

im not british, but if i were, what would that have mattered?

Like bruh

You'd have wonky teeth and drink warm beer, for starters. And wear socks with sandals on the beach. That's just not cool, bruh. Also you wouldn't be able to pronounce "bottle of water" correctly.

The spelling!

okay i guess, nah in my country we dont originally speak english, but we get taught the british way because they are closer.

Actually both -ise and -ize are fine in BrE. It's a common misconception that the -ize spelling is only AmE. It's actually been around for ages. It's just that it's much less commonly used.

True. But Americans never seeme to use -ise.

Yeah, AmE strongly prefers (or almost exclusively uses) -ize. BrE prefers -ise but has both. I think it may have been Samuel Johnson who helped standardize/standardise US spelling and change a few things. If I'm not mistaken, technically it should depend on etymology if you want to be really pedantic: -ize for words of Greek origin, and -ise for words of French or Latin origin, but meh.

Also it's not 100% consistent and there are some exceptions, like advise, which is never spelled/spelt "advize" by anyone. Or "use", which is never "uze".

Life would be boring otherwise and it's a great way to both drive ourselves as well as foreign learners crazy/mad and troll speakers of the "wrong" dialect for not uzing English correctly.

I think Jane Austin might have used "advize". She writes "teaze". But yes, it's all about the spice.

Ah, interesting. I didn't know that, thanks. So I sit corrected. If it's good enough for Jane Austen, it's good enough for me. I'll have to remember to teaze people more now. Apparently she was quite the grammar rebel too in her notes. Because she was writing before English spelling was standardized. Shakespeare also famously had his name spelt dozens of different ways. Standardized spelling is such a modern invention that we forget how normal it is now and it's almost funny how much we argue over it (especially given how crazy English spelling is anyway even with standardized rules). Loads of languages still don't have it.

And yeah, pass me some of that spice. Could use some while reading this page lol.

Fair enough. I like the different flavors/ flavours of language.

Yeah, variety is the spice of life. Be boring if there was only one item on the menu.