Cells are alive btw, they aren't pieces of dirt.

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Liberals will never understand science

and never did. even a rock can understand more😂

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I mean I don't agree with a clump of cells but no one says that tbh.

My opinions about abortion are kinda mixed at points

On just about every college campus, that is the left wing argument - "it is just a clump of cells"or "it is a parasite" - so everyone pretty much says that, that are pro abortion.

You say every college campus. But that doesn't mean every you can't take what 3 or 4 people say and make it a generalization.

I don't think it's a clump of cells but I do agree with the people who get abortions parts of the time. The it's your choice ect ect

You keep trying to minimalize the talking points that are common verbage on the left , because something deep down inside you, knows it makes you sick. Saying a women who is pregnant is simply infected with a parasite, or that fetus is not worth protecting.. but the fact remains.. it isn't one or two people saying it, it is their -main talking against pro lifers- a fetus is a clump of cells or it is a parasite. Just to make this clear, I am no Christian and I really don't have an opinion about if wmen should or should not get abortions - my point is that it is 100 % ending a life and it should not be trivialized.

I can agree with that and what you said. I do believe though the media plays it out to be bigger then it is. Yes so crazy liberals do that and say that stuff but the majority do not I can tell you that. Ive met some people who've gotten an abortion and none of them jumped for joy or where ecstatic

we can agree that the media is extremely problematic on how they exacerbate issues.

Yes

I have a question: When you finish masturbating, you release a clump of cells. Is that murder?

No because that clump of cells can not become a person. A clump of cells that contains a fertilized egg will become a fetus. Duh

That clump of cells can become a person if it fertilizes an egg, but I see wht you're saying. You just worded it wrong. Fortunately for you, I'm not somebody who takes advantage of typos.

Once an egg is fertilzed, it has a determined set of unique traits - which include its own DNA. That unique DNA is going to be an individual that is like noone else. Biologist agree that life begins at conception, follow the science.

Cells are alive. Sperm cells are what you release when you "finish." All I'm saying is that the argument in the meme is a fallacy because ejaculate is also a clump of cells.

Sperm cells are sperm cells, they are always going to be sperm cells.. A fetus is, by definition , a unique life form with its own DNA strand. It is nothing what you are trying to make it out to be.

I think we are just clashing and not getting into any resolution here. Is a clump of sperm cells still a clump of cells?

No, you are equating an organism with Unique DNA that is growing and turning into a person with cells that are complete and have the same DNA as the person that expelled it. Your argument is wrong on its face.

All I am trying to say is a clump of sperm cells is also a clump of cells. I think you're believing I made the statement that ejaculation is murder, when I only ever asked if the Creator of the meme believed so.

My only argument is that a clump of sperm cells is a clump of cells.

No, i thought you were saying that abortion is justified because a fetus is just a clump of cells.. lol yea yea no, no one thinks jerking off is murder. If that was the case I be sentenced to 1000 lifetimes just from my teen years lol

Ok, thank you for clearing everything up.

Heartbeat doesn't start till 21 days right? Once the egg gets fertilized it takes a bit for the DNA to set in.

No, that is absolutely incorrect, as soon as the egg fertilizes the DNA is active. Its not days or weeks.. its moments. Growth is a standerd for life. Anything that grows , and cells that are mulitpling is by scientific determination -alive-

All living things come from pre existing cells.

Yes another thing is that you can't abort something the sec after you get raped like there's nothing really visible after 3 mins or 3 hours

yes, I agree with every thing you said in that comment. one thing though the preexisiting fetus cells are living and growing into a person, it is not like completed skin cells or blood, skin and blood cells will always be skin and blood. I my very humble point of view on this subject, rape incest and life of mother should be a non political agreed upon action. I can tell you a horror story about a rape baby, a person i knew a long time ago was a product of a rape, his mother was Christian so she kept him.. he grew up to look like the rapist, every time his mother looked at him , she seen her rapist. She hated him and mistreated him until she died, He was a young man when he took his own life in a horrible way, I don't know what it would be like to be hated by my own mother.. but he knew, he poured gas over his head, and lit a match.. an abortion would have saved both of them a horrific life pain.

I agree with this also with the fact that a baby should be brought into a world where it will be loved and be provided for I dont mean adoption I mean by the parents

Also that was a terrible story I'm sorry for both the mother and the son. The mother for being raped. The son for being brought into a world where he wasn't loved

yea, I still remeber waking up to the screams of the people that found his body in the ally , I remember the smell of his burned flesh, he was still smoldering when the fire department came and put him out. This world can be a horrible place, that is why I always count my blessing every day.

When you take cake mix and spill some outside the mixing bowl that part is irrelevant and will never become a cake. But the mixed batter you put in the oven will. That is unless some idiot comes along and takes it out of the oven and wings it across the room. It would’ve been a cake without the idiot interceding to destroy it.

A cake is a terrible example but ok let's go with this.

1. You're forced to make the cake and you get no say you where "cake raped"

2. Its a 13 year old girl making the cake and she has no idea how to do anything.

3. The cake will not be loved or not come into a world where it's baker will want it.

4. The cake burns or the house is on fire or the oven is on fire.

5. You decide you don't want the cake after starting to mix it

Do you get what I'm trying to say in this horrible analogy you picked?

You are taking an extreme example and trying to use it as an argument against pro life stance, that is a poor strategy. Unfortunately for pro choice , 99 % of abortions are elective, meaning no threat to the life of the mother. . Thus one would conclude that we should in fact be able to end a person's existence , if it makes our life easier. It is a common theme on the left , for their life to mean more than anyone else's, well grandstanding about moral superiority. The better argument against pro lifer is simply is none of their business what goes on between a woman and her Dr. The government should not be invovled in any health desicions at all, including vaccines, and no one should be expected to pay for someone elses abortion if you don't want them to have an opinion about it.

So you think all abortions are bad?

no, I don't think they are bad or good, My point is that dehumanizing something that is very much human to make pro abortion stances seem better is a losing strategy. The abortion ends a life by scientific definitions, abortion should be a very heavily weighed decision, not a flippantly made one. people celebrating abortions make the movement seem .. deviant.

Ok I understand that fully and yes that people shouldn't celebrate and I doubt people do.

Absolutely irrelevant to the the discussion of cells and life of this thread.

You understood it wrong my wording is correct. If you spill cake mix outside the mixing bowl it is irrelevant as it lacks the potential to be part of the cake. Just as ejaculate can’t become a baby. But a fertilized egg can.

So you're saying if you spill cake mix it immediately loses the ability to become cake?

It immediately loses the ability to be in that cake and is essentially inert and no cake will spring from it. It is a clump of cells but they do not become and are not life without the other ingredients necessary so your example isn’t relevant. We are all “ clumps of cells” and are part of that life. If I cut off my finger those cells die but they are not the life of the body they came from. Sperm is not life so can’t be compared to a forming fetus that contains all the ingredients of life and are actively forming it.

I think I get what you're saying now. Also I'm not comparing sperm to a fetus in the sense you think I am. I'm just stating it's also a clump of cells and there are better ways to argue against abortion than the meme states. I will admit I'm wrong and could've worded and reasoned my argument better, as well as comprehended other arguments.

I appreciate that. I don’t think the meme was directly arguing against abortion but was arguing against one of the arguments used to support abortion. Certainly it is an anti abortion position but the nuance is it attacked the supporting argument and not the subject of abortion itself.

I think the argument the meme is against is illogical, but I also think that the meme's way of saying the argument is wrong is also illogical.

Termination of viable life is a complex subject but science is science. Moral arguments are separate. If you step on an ant and crush it you terminated its “life”. Same as if you take the baby batter and scramble it. The moral question of when “life” begins is a separate argument.

I agree.

I just think many people who debate abortion get the argument mixed up and difference between morals and science.

Yeahh i understand that

Why don't you care about live babyies