They say it's about democracy... nothing could be farther from the truth

No. You're either sadly disinformed, or a bad liar.

In fact there WAS a CIA-backed Coup in 2014, after a failed attempt to override democracy in the earlier 2000's called the "Orange Revolution". At that point, the Banderite Nazis, that the CIA had been working with since the late 40's (Project AERODYNAMIC), and who'd previously been working for and with the Germans for much longer, ultimately as the Waffen SS, under Hitler - began raising the status of bonafide Genocidal Nazi war criminals, like Bandera and Shukevich, to "Heros of Ukraine".

With the unlawful overthrow of Ukraine's democratically elected, lawful Government, places in the East and South (who are ethnically distinct from the Pro-Nazi folks in the West of Ukraine, that overthrew the Government) declared their concerns about these events, that had been stage-managed from London and Washington DC. They began holding demonstrations expressing their concerns, and expressing a desire to secede from the now unlawful and hijacked Ukrainian Regime in Kiev.

In response the Nazis now in power committed a massacre in Odessa, using Nazi thugs and Soccer hooligans, protected by the police and intelligence services, which by this point were largely composed of Banderites, themselves. In excess of 50 Ukrainians were murdered in Odessa - a crime which the EU has just now decided to recognize, and has properly affixed the blame with the Kiev Regime.

At that point, Crimea, which had been Russian since the time of Katherine the Great - and had maintained autonomous status from Kiev, since the Ukrainian State was founded in 1991 - voted twice to secede, and rejoin Russia, overwhelmingly - first in their lawfully constituted Legislative body, and then by a popular referendum. Russia, having a Naval base there, already (since 1775), welcomed them. The Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts followed suit, but for largely financial reasons, Russia couldn't accept them at that time. So they recognized their lawful desire for autonomy and independence, instead, and gave them some limited support.

It was AT THAT TIME - in 2014 - that Kiev started the Ukrainian Civil War, on Russia's border, and against the civilians of the Donbass, using the Ukrainian Army, and Nazi volunteer battalions like Azov.

If you don't recognize the rights of Eastern Ukrainians to be free from Nazis, who want them dead, and to steal their lands - then surely, you must agree that Kosovo is an inseparable part of Serbia - since thay had no vote.

do you have a source for any of your claims? also just because there are Nazis in a country doesn't make the whole country Nazis. the USA has Nazis too but we aren't all nazis

I have literally hundreds of sources - this thing's been happening since 2014, after all. The "NED" (a CIA 'cut-out') used to list over a hundred 'sub-projects' ongoing in Ukraine, around the time of the CIA Coup...but they've since scrubbed that page from the internet.

You don't want to believe me??? Fine... Why don't you ask one of the many former CIA guys at Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity - like Ray McGovern or Larry Johnson - both of whom are familiar with that kind of work, and what it looks like, from various angles.

The BUSES that drove Banderite Nazis to Kiev, from Lvov and Ivano-Frankovsk, were paid for by groups in the George Soros and Pierre Omidyar Intelligence networks. Do you expect the CIA to leave a business card, behind? It's called CLANDESTINE SERVICES, for a reason. It's COVERT. They try to avoid leaving obvious evidence, that points back directly to Langley... BUT... If you know what to look for, and what you're looking at - it's almost always there. And that's why professionals in the trade, weren't fooled for a moment, when the Coup in Kiev, went down... And believe it or not...The Russians have some professionals, too... And they know who to watch, at the US Embassy... who's got 'Official Cover', like Ambassador Pyatt - amd who's a 'NOC' ( that stands for "Non-Official Cover" - meaning they lack diplomatic immunity, if they get caught).

As for Nazis... You don't see them at the highest levels of our Government, or standing next to our leaders, wearing insignia and Totenkopfs, and the like, here in America. But in Victoria Nuland's infamous intercepted call about the next Government of Ukraine, she picked "Yats is the guy" and wanted Tyahnybok on the outside, on the phone with Yats, three times a week. Go ahead and look up who Oleh Tyahnybok actually is... And hus relationship to Azov. Do yourself a favor and look up Andriy Payruby, as well. These are central figures in the Coup, and Post-Coup Regime.

Funded by USAID no doubt

Why not... All of Kiev's "Independent" media, was...until quite recently... I'm sure Queen Ursula Von DerLIAR has been hard at work with MI-6 Starmer, to get all of the Nazi podcasts back onto the air...

1. post your sources then

2. I now doubt everything you say and have said because you said "...were paid for by groups in the George Soros and Pierre Omidyar Intelligence networks..." as soon as you mention George Soros and the CIA next to each other you out yourself as a anti-semitic conspiracy theorist

1) I think I already have. Do you mean I have to go through hundreds or thousands of hours of Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson's interviews - and find you time stamps? Wtf is wrong with you? Are you a heavily disinformed and propagandized kid...or do you just play one on the internet? I haven't agreed to give you any more of a symposium on modern events, than I have already.

2) http://whale.to/m/disin.html
Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
by H. Michael Sweeney

"2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance."

And that's why you shouldn't feed them.

They don't eat much...except my boots!

He's currently on 'a timer' - so he CAN'T answer you, at present... However - I can see no reason, why he would want to bother to do so, when his ability to comment comes back. I don't think he owes you any explanation... Why would you assume that he does?

wdym "timer"

When a libtard flags a reply as offensive, or a mod has it in for a certain user, the mod will mark their account so that it can't post comments. I think they start out as an hour or two for the first few 'transgressions' and increase after that. I'm not sure how long the max timer can be. So timer is likely short for time out. I'm up to 48 hours for a standard timer, so I must be doing something right.

I just got back from timeout just hours ago

I asked him across 1 week

And that might have busted you up right in the safe space. I can see how that would hurt your feelings.

What? he criticized my meme (normal) and I asked him for proof, he didn't say anything back despite reading it.

"He cant answer me."

I gotta hand it to you kid, because it takes some moose sized stones to post that, considering you have NEVER seriously answered any question I've asked you. Moose sized stones, or just bald faced hypocrisy? I'll go with the Moose sized stones. Not selling the hypocrisy short though.

So ask me a question

The Grayzone tends to publish investigative journalism, with documents and sources that you could check, yourself - if you were interested in making a substantive critique, or even in becoming better informed.

This fallacy and DISINFORMATIONALIST TROPE, used fairly consistently by elements of US Intelligence, and the related political class - "Russian propaganda" - is an example of the 'ad hominem tu quoque' FALLACY - and a handwaving argument. If the Russians affirm that "water is wet", and "the sky is blue" - does it become untrue, just because you or others decide to label it "Russian propaganda"? The answer is, of course - no!

Do they not teach critical thinking or epistemology, in our schools, anymore?

It's hard to tell if you're just really gullible - or if you're an active participant in your being fooled - and in trying to fool others...

Please provide specific examples, of stories that you think that The Grayzone, actually got wrong, and your specific evidentiary examples of why this is so.

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/

https://thegrayzone.com/2025/03/10/usaid-ukraine-vp-vance-russia-propagandist/

Thank you for pointing out the fine INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM of The Grayzone - all of which is well-sourced and substantiated by leaked official documents... Based on any substantial refutation of the work presented, it seems that you must have come around, finally.

"Leaked files show top UK military figures conspired to carry out the Kerch bridge bombing, covertly train “Gladio”-style stay-behind forces in Ukraine, and groom the British public for a drop in living standards caused by the proxy war against Russia.
Emails and internal documents reviewed by The Grayzone reveal details of a cabal of British military and intelligence veterans which plotted to escalate and prolong the Ukraine proxy war “at all costs.” Convened under the direction of the British Ministry of Defense in the immediate aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the cell referred to itself as Project Alchemy. As British leadership sabotaged peace talks between Kiev and Moscow, the cell put forward an array of plans “to keep Ukraine fighting” by imposing “strategic dilemmas, costs and frictions upon Russia.”

The leaks obtained by The Grayzone expose a hidden hand behind Britain’s policy in Ukraine, showing in unusually granular detail how it aimed to engineer a long, grinding war through covert operations that stretched the bounds of legality.

Project Alchemy’s proposed schemes spanned every conceivable field of warfare, from cyber attacks to “discreet operations” to outright terrorism. The secret cell even put forward a plan to “aggressively pursue” and “dismantle” independent media outlets – including The Grayzone – through an aggressive campaign of legal harassment and online censorship, so they “would be forced to close.” The incendiary blueprints were fed to the highest levels of the British state and national security structure, where they were apparently well-received.

Founded by a senior British Ministry of Defence official, Project Alchemy is composed of veteran military and intelligence operatives united by a desire for all-out war between the West and Russia. Some have trained Ukrainian forces in clandestine sabotage tactics.

Members of the national security cabal tacitly acknowledged that their proposed operations stretched the bounds of British law. Thus they suggested that London should be “prepared to creatively use the law” to meet its goals, and even be willing to erase “legal restrictions on UK deniable ops” against Russia." Etc., etc., etc..

*Based on {THE LACK OF} any substantial refutation of the work presented, it seems that you must have come around, finally.

Nah.... they'll never admit the truth... they wouldn't when they denied elections were postponed by Zelenskyy due to martial law, which he imposed.

Also - regardless of their political party affiliation - there were tonnes of plainclothes cops and Feds and informants at J6 - actively inciting a low-grade riot, out of a permitted and lawful protest.

This was just an early report, and hardly the last word on the heavily orchestrated PSYOPs of that day, and since... But, since you asked - here you go: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/01/12/chaos-agent-right-wing-us-Capitol-riot-black-lives-matter/