How many lies can she tell before even her supporters stop believing her?

you're mad that she doesn't wish death upon someone?

Upvoted; but don't look for logic in leftist politicians. They do feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings, not logic.

On one end of the spectrum, you have people who're overly sensitive, and on the opposite end, you have sociopaths.

I'll pass on sociopaths.

Yeah, the dem party sure is diverse that way.

Yeah we accept all people from all walks of life. We understand mental health awareness and how to help people who suffer from sociopathy. Our model to follow is empathy as we embrace emotions. Whereas MAGA embraces sociopathy as their model to follow. You need no other example than "F**k your feelings." Your literal slogan.

Nope, wrong on all accounts. Please try again with facts, logic, reason, and sources.

Still no sources then?

The source of that is Jan 6th?

lmao

heh heh

Sources for your claim in the original post.

done.

Um. Your feelings don't matter facts matter. Things like the economy and WW3 matter.

There is no WWIII.

We are on the brink of Russia launching nukes. Get your head out of the ground and pay attention.

What military, prison conscripts from Central Asia?

Ultiwho?
Who cares what Russia gives. What, are they going to beg Iran for more paper airplanes?

No they'll bring the full force of their military.

My gosh, what century is this?

We - Americans, that is - have been on the brink of Russian nukes since the 50s.

What country are you from that you are not aware of this?

Bro, Russia gave an ultimatum and the idiot US govt and NATO stepped over the line. Pay attention.

"You realize eastern Ukraine voted to rejoin Russia right?"

After Russia moved in lmao

So you'd rather bend over and take it from Russia when the use the word "nukes."

Got it.

I take people with nukes seriously and try all means to avoid them using nukes. There were several talks and offers from Russia to stop the war and Zelenksi and Biden both ignored them.

"I take people with nukes seriously and try all means to avoid them using nukes. There were several talks and offers from Russia to stop the war and Zelenksi and Biden both ignored them."

You're joking right? The "offer" from Putin was "We'll keep what we've captured so far, you'll stop all trade with NATO and completely demilitarize yourself." I mean, I guess an offer. For surrender. So, my point stands, you'd rather just bend over and take it and let tyrants reign just by threats alone.

You realize eastern Ukraine voted to rejoin Russia right?

"You realize eastern Ukraine voted to rejoin Russia right?"

You realize that vote took place post-Russian invasion, annexation of Crimea under the same conditions which keep Putin in power in Russia, right?

No it happened long before that, and long before western Ukraine attacked Russias border.

"Yeah we accept all people from all walks of life. We understand mental health awareness and how to help people who suffer from sociopathy. Our model to follow is empathy as we embrace emotions. Whereas MAGA embraces sociopathy as their model to follow. You need no other example than "F**k your feelings." Your literal slogan."

dorkiare: "Nope, wrong on all accounts. Please try again with facts, logic, reason, and sources."

*posts a picture of your party slogan for 2016 and 2020 being "F**k your feelings."

Stop lying. It's your slogan. It adopts the mindset of a sociopath - one without empathy. Actually, sociopath is an outdated, informal term for someone who has antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). This disorder can cause you to lack empathy, which means you don't care about or understand other peoples' feelings.

Sorry for your loss.

I think you're missing something important here. It's not about emotions replacing facts, it's about understanding that facts alone don't make a complete decision. Empathy, compassion, and human experience are vital in how we approach issues like immigration or healthcare. You're right that facts should guide logical outcomes, but they don’t exist in a vacuum; emotions are there and they exist - that's humanity. The facts you mention, like overcrowding or financial strain, are important, but ignoring the human aspect means you're not addressing the full picture.

Take your lifeboat analogy. If we only use cold logic, then we don't try to save as many as we can. We just assume the situation is hopeless. But emotions drive us to find better solutions - maybe build more boats or fix the system to prevent overcrowding in the first place. That’s the role emotions play in decision-making—they push us to action where facts alone might leave us stagnant.

As for immigration, yes, vetting is necessary, and no one is advocating for uncontrolled borders. But focusing solely on the negative - criminals, financial strain, and outright lies about immigrants - while ignoring the positive contributions of immigrants doesn’t give the full picture. The solution is balanced: mixing compassion for those in need with strong, fact-based policies. Facts do matter, but so does the way we choose to act on them.

Let's say this boat you're talking about is a lifeboat.(I think you did, but can't remember) So, who do you let on the boats first from the age groups and genders? Senior Men/Women? Adult Men/Women? Adolescent Men/Women? Or, Child Boy/Girl?

I'll make this easy. The Elderly are usually on the last of the list, even for themselves.
So do you go for the adults or the children? Or do you go for women and children? Right Wing seems to think that men are inherently stronger than women. This would suggest that if you want the higher rate of survival, you put the men on first, and leave the women and children behind. Men are more capable at swimming, hunting, etc., right?

Or, do we look at ourselves in the mirror and realize that only a true man would stay behind? I mean, if you're a father, that's an easy question. But if you're a Bachelor male... healthy, fit, able to do all those things. Do you take the seat of a mother or child?

A burning building? THere's a small chance you can save someone, but have severe risk of not making it out?

Starvation?

How human are you?

Facts first. Emotions are motivators not decision makers. Emotions come from external stimuli. For instance say you put a peice of dessert in your fridge for later, and you are happy all day because you know you are going to get to eat it later. Now unbeknownst to you, someone else ate it right after you put it in the fridge. You open the fridge at the end of the day and are devastated.
Now what caused your emotions to change? It wasn't the act of someone eating your dessert, that happened earlier. The devastation came because you realized they ate your dessert. Now right up until then you were happy. So your emotions were wrong. You should have been upset the moment they ate the dessert.
Think about it. Your emotions should not determine outcomes. Logic should determine outcomes, combined with facts and reason, and your emotions should motivate you to carry those out.

Actually, emotions are fundamental to our moral judgment. Empathy, compassion, and understanding—these emotions help us discern right from wrong and motivate us to act ethically. The moral high ground isn't achieved by dismissing feelings but by embracing them to guide our decisions toward fairness and humanity. Logic without empathy can lead to cold calculations that ignore the human impact. So, the very emotions you downplay are what form the foundation of a just and moral society.

No, because your emotions can be easily manipulated and fooled, and just outright mistaken. That's not even getting into how our emotions are damaged just by living in the current culture and environment (aka social media manipulation).

"No, because your emotions can be easily manipulated and fooled, and just outright mistaken. That's not even getting into how our emotions are damaged just by living in the current culture and environment (aka social media manipulation)."

Just like Alt-Facts by the Alt-right. Facts can be manipulated by bias and perspective.

No facts are facts, they are either true or they aren't. The only people being "misled" about facts are those not doing their own research.

Oversimplifying issues by blaming marginalized groups isn't helpful. Immigrants often boost the economy they take essential jobs, pay taxes, and drive growth. The challenges these communities face come from many places, not just immigration.

Emotions are a big part of how we make decisions. Ignoring people's feelings dismisses their real concerns. Sure, facts matter, but so does empathy.

The slogan "Facts don't care about your feelings" is harmful because it shuts down understanding. Using facts without considering how they affect people can push us apart and make solving problems harder. This literally stops you from practicing empathy and considering the other side. Once you stop caring about feelings, the ability to work together stops.

In politics, especially on issues like immigration and healthcare, we need to mix facts with compassion. Ignoring the human side just deepens divisions and keeps us from fixing the real problems.
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As for your laughable "challenge?" Here:

Rightwing Nutjob: "You look at what is marching up, that is an invasion. That’s not, that’s an invasion."

Strong Leadership: "There is a large group of migrants approaching the border, and we need to address the situation with appropriate policies."

Rightwing Nutjob: "This election is a fraud. They are trying to steal the election from us."

Strong Leadership: "Some people have concerns about the election process that they believe should be investigated to ensure fairness."

Rightwing Nutjob: "They were masquerading as Trump supporters and, in fact, were members of the violent terrorist group Antifa."

Strong Leadership: "There are claims that individuals involved may not have been genuine supporters but affiliated with other groups; this requires thorough investigation."

You are talking about legal immigrants, the current group don't pay taxes, get a free home, 10k food money, and other benefits that far outweigh any taxes they might pay.

Emotions should spur you to action, not make decisions. For instance say you are on a sinking cruise ship, you get on a life boat and now it's full. Any more people and it will sink. Someone else tries to get on it. Do you go with your emotions and let them on? No of course not. Logic, reason and facts tell you that if they get on the life boat you'll all die. Instead you're emotions spur you to action and you give up your spot or tell the person no. Without logic, reason, and facts you will be manipulated into doing whatever other people want.

"Facts don't care about your feelings" does not shut down understanding. It gets rid of the idea that your feelings are more important than facts. Go back to my previous example. The facts are the boat will sink if one more person gets on. It doesn't matter how you feel about it. You might feel like it's not fair, so we'll let the person on, then the boat sinks anyway.
No one said throw emotions out the window. They have a place, but that place is not to make decisions. It's to motivate you to action, and that's assuming your emotions are natural and not distorted.

In immigration, if emotions are your motivator and facts, logic, and reason are your decision makers then you are prompted by your emotions to do something about immigrants that come to this country seeking asylum because of the horrible conditions in their home country. That's where emotions stop. Next you have to logic and reason it out. What happens if we let them all in? The boat sinks. So how do we limit how many come in? Logic says to vet them and make sure they aren't violent criminals, and that they actually have circumstances that make asylum a logical choice. We have a process for this but it's long and onerous. So logic says we should improve the system of legal immigration and limit the people we let in to only those we know aren't violent criminals and have the rest stay out until their court dates.

I agree with your examples, but the other side rejected those as well, which came from other people than Trump. Judges sound have held the trials about election fraud, but instead refused to even admit the evidence. The Biden administration, just let unvetted people into the country and gave them ridiculous things that our lies income citizens don't even get.

While facts are objective, how they are presented and understood profoundly impacts public perception and decision-making, particularly when emotions and lived experiences are involved. The "facts don't care about your feelings" slogan embraced by some in the MAGA movement disregards the reality that facts, stripped of empathy and context, can alienate or harm those affected by them, ultimately undermining constructive dialogue and social cohesion. Facts must be communicated with consideration for the emotional and human dimensions they influence, otherwise they risk being wielded as weapons rather than tools for understanding.

We've seen this in political debates around immigration and healthcare, where facts about economic impact or policy efficiency are often presented without acknowledging the real fears, struggles, and human costs faced by marginalized communities. This detachment not only deepens divisions but also prevents meaningful, compassionate solutions from being crafted, as those most affected feel their experiences are being dismissed in favor of cold, impersonal statistics.

If feelings didn't matter, why do the MAGA party use such large amounts of fear-mongering?

Donald Trump (2018) – "You look at what is marching up, that is an invasion. That’s not, that’s an invasion."

Donald Trump (2020) – "This election is a fraud. They are trying to steal the election from us."

Matt Gaetz (2021) – "They were masquerading as Trump supporters and, in fact, were members of the violent terrorist group Antifa."

Ted Cruz (2021) – "The Biden administration has presided over a super-spreader event at the southern border."

Tucker Carlson (2021) – "The Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World."

Donald Trump (2020) – "You’ll have a situation where they will end up not wanting to be policemen or women. You’re going to have a crime wave like you’ve never seen before."

Ron DeSantis (2021) – "They are trying to shove Critical Race Theory down the throats of our children."

Kevin McCarthy (2021) – "President Biden and Democrats have sent a clear message to the world—our borders are open."

Donald Trump (2021) – "The Biden Administration is resettling large numbers of unvetted Afghan refugees into American neighborhoods."

Marjorie Taylor Greene (2021) – "They want you to be required to have something called a COVID passport. [...] Is that something like Biden’s mark of the beast?"

Your first paragraph is true, but the so called marginalized groups are negatively affected by the people crossing the border, straining the governments aid and availability of jobs. The emotional outbursts of the left are being used as a weapon against you. This is why you need facts, reason, and context to make decisions. The cold hard facts are that we've exceeded the amount of people that can come into our country without causing very real harmful financial consequences. Instead of talking about that, the left only talk about how these poor people need a bone and are seeking asylum.

Your quotes are not all that emotional. They are factual statements. I challenge you to rephrase them in a way that retains their factualness but makes them more receptive to the left.

I wouldn't want Hitler assassinated. That's a right wing thing. I'd want him put on trial for his crimes. Good thing I'm consistent in my views.