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Thoughts and prayers are a start, not an end | THE PROBLEM IS NOT BAD PARENTING; THE PROBLEM IS NOT MENTAL ILLNESS; THE PROBLEM
IS NOT POOR
SECURITY; THE PROBLEM IS GUNS | image tagged in guns,gun control,mental health,safety,children | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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7 ups, 3mo,
4 replies
No it is not. The problem on this case was the kid
3 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
If he was the problem, why does it happen more than a hundred times a year? That's one busy kid!
3 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
Hmmmm…when I went through 1st through 12th grades as a child and adolescent, not once were there any school shootings, except for Charles Whitman shooting from the clock tower at the University of Texas. While going through 6th to 12th grade, during hunting season we would bring our shotguns or rifles with us to school. No one ever shot any one.
I contend that it is todays f**ked up society that has caused the shootings in schools. There is zero respect for anything anymore and todays “education system” is turning out a great, huge number of spoiled and entitled brats. This started when they began to coddle kids instead of demanding excellence from them…everyone gets an “attaboy” just for participating, to hell with actual merit. Now they are so confused that they think they are a different sex than they really are and are encouraged by the so-called “adults” to mutilate themselves.
Our world has gone crazy.
3 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Correct, shooters shoot people with the guns they shoot them with regardless of whatever completely irrelevant excuses provided which nevertheless do not alter the fact that these shooters shoot people with guns.

Just look at this case.
Shooter felt lonely. He had no friends. On the first day of school. That he just transferred to.
0 ups, 3mo
Another Kamala impersonation?
Sheesh, it’s getting tiresome, already.

Shooter shoulda shot himself, the little snot.
0 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Had friends that used to have their rifles on gun racks in their trucks. Used to bring "45" water pistols and "shoot" friends during break and they likewise. It was a saner world.
1 up, 3mo
Exactly! Back when one could leave a .30-30 on the rifle rack and no one would steal it.
Kids back than would “meet behind the gym” and go fist city to work out their differences. Then they usually became friends…
3 ups, 3mo
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2 ups, 3mo
The problem is NO parenting
2 ups, 3mo
3 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
You’re out here acting like criminals are gonna follow those gun laws
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Every first world country has criminals, but we're the only one with bunches of mass shootings.
4 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
Bullshit…even the most rudimentary of internet searches willl dispel that myth.
2 ups, 3mo
The "myth" that every first world country has criminals? (doubt) Or the "myth" that this stuff doesn't happen a lot in other first world countries. Get off the fanfic internet and onto the data sites, please.

This graph is from the Rockefeller Institute of Government. https://rockinst.org/blog/public-mass-shootings-around-the-world-prevalence-context-and-prevention/ By a less narrow definition of mass shootings, i.e., "a minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident," the Gun Violence Archive (with an actual indexed archive of events to back it up) counts between 270 and 690 mass shootings by year every year since 2014. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

And, yes, they have a political angle: they don't like seeing Americans die senselessly. But they're gathering data, not manufacturing it.
2 ups, 3mo
No, it won't.
That's why you posted an expletive instead of posting data to support your assertion, of which there is none.
4 ups, 3mo
The problem is always politicians
6 ups, 3mo
The liberals may have a point. Democrats should turn in all their guns. May save lives keeping guns out of the mentally ill.
3 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
The problem is not guns. Read about the Colt family. They see themselves as victims. The problem is people seeing themselves as victims, use that mindset to justify their own bad behavior. Seeing yourself as a victim is a national disease. The Schools promote victimology with a Wokeness agenda. And the medical community gives them pills, instead of treating victimology for what it is.

You can choose to not see yourself as a victim.
3 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
So, if the Colt family were the ones killing 40,000 Americans a year, I'd agree.
2 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
Nope. People who use a victim mindset to justify their bad behavior is.

And where do these killings happen the most? Places like Chicago, Baltimore. And victim mindset prevents people from actually addressing that the majority of the killings are among the blacks killing blacks. But you sure don't see the parents of these blacks being charged with murder when their kids commit murders now do you? Nobody bats an eye.

No... it's just too damn easy to just blame guns. But tell me, do you want to ban cars for all the motor vehicle deaths?
1 up, 3mo
They happen the most where the people are the most? Really?

Yet the highest per capita rates of gun violence occur where again?
2 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
When people die too often because of cars, we make cars and roads safer, change lights, signals and traffic laws. We don't just accept it.
1 up, 3mo,
1 reply
Well that's pure bullshit, and doesn't excuse not addressing the real problem.
1 up, 3mo
No, actually that tends to either response.

In fact, in the area of the US more prone to such gun violence, they've been busy banning books because they're 'dangerous'
1 up, 3mo,
1 reply
It's too bad this poor young woman didn't have a gun to defend herself.
CHECKITOUT
https://www.yahoo.com/news/megan-kelemans-family-wants-know-090243873.html
2 ups, 3mo
Demonstrably false. Possession of a gun makes you MORE likely to get shot in an assault. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/

"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).

Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures."

Living in a house with a gun also raises the risk that you or someone you live with will be shot significantly more than the chances that you will defend yourself successfully with it. I've posted the data on this multiple times before, and if you really want it, I'll repost. But I've noticed that being pro-gun seems to oblige people to be anti-statistics, so you get to decide how much you want to think today.
2 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
Where do you get your numbers from?
3 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Everywhere.

Pew research center https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ cites more than 48,000 gun deaths in 2021.

News sources: Here's the BBC on how many mass shootings we've experienced so far in the first 2/3 of 2024: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

Stat sites: Everystat: https://everystat.org/ Statista: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1380025/us-gun-violence-rate-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/chart/9594/kids-pulling-the-trigger/

healthcare: the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm (they're apparently not super precise about gun injuries, because of the way they gather their data, but their death statistics are decent)

It's an epidemic.
0 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
No it isn’t an epidemic. It’s not a medical issue.
It’s a societal issue.
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Like smoking, or type 2 diabetes! The medical community refers to this sort of issue as "behavioral health". The medical community takes those seriously, because they don't just want to be cleaning up failures of behavioral health.

See: https://doctorsforamerica.org/subcommittee/gun-violence-prevention/ also #thisisourlane
2 ups, 3mo
No, it's pretty much an epidemic. You said so yourself earlier.
3 ups, 3mo
My posterior is both big and real, LIKE THE DATA ON HOW MANY NEEDLESS GUN DEATHS THE US HAS.
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
......... and the culture surrounding it.
There's a certain demographic with a propensity for violence going back centuries, and they celebrate guns like it was a religion. There's something of a pattern emerging here...
3 ups, 3mo,
2 replies
Horse shit
2 ups, 3mo
"Large animal feces" just doesn't cut it in a debate with so much factual input.
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Oh, I'm talking about humans. Horses don't shoot people, do they?
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
Let's face it: American horses may.
2 ups, 3mo,
1 reply
We live in a violent society,,,,
1 up, 3mo,
1 reply
1 up, 3mo
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