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Here are things wrong here, 1, it was controlled by a foreign power, to be an independent country you can not be ruled by a foreign country, 2. When the Ottomans controlled that area it wasn't Palestine, they called Ottoman Syria and during the Persian period it was called Coele-Syria, Palestine was only used by the Romans and the British. Palestine was a Roman name to get rid of Jewish history in that land, it was never an Arab name, as if it was it would have been a different name as in Arabic, people pronounce P like B, so they call Palestine, Balestine.

You you mind posting the link with this particular information, I'd like to research it a bit so I can educate myself on this subject.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot

thank you , I appreciate the link.

Exactly. Israel didn’t even exist until 1946. It was a UN installation.

There are many, many more maps of PALESTINE in history. Just check this article that lists countless maps that called it PALESTINE and NOT the fake UK invention called "Israel" that makes the ZioNazis EXPLODE IN ANGER (pun intended at how they bomb innocent women and children):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartography_of_Palestine

Bro, Palestine was an invention from the Romans. Before the Romans there were Israel, or should i say the kingdom of Israel

In 135 AD during the Second Jewish Uprising, Jews started killing Christians and pagans alike. They like to leave out the part where Jews were killing Christians because it's bad for public relations. The Romans sent in 13 legions and destroyed 50+ towns and 900+ villages, burned every Jewish temple, and killed every last Jew in Judea. All of them. Then they renamed the place Syria-Palestine. The Roman Empire, that has been big on meme sites recently, named it Syria-Palestine because they killed all the Jews and took control of the place. It's like the 123 years that Poland didn't exist from 1795 to 1918. The way Poland has been acting lately, that might happen again. To explain it in terms a stereotypical Jew might understand, when you take over a business, you can change the name of it. You don't have to use the same name it was called before, because you're the owner now. And if Jews really were "God's chosen people", then apparently God himself couldn't stand against the might of the Roman Empire. The current "Israel" isn't actually "Israel" either. There was a video clip on C-SPAN of a younger Joe Biden defending the $3 billion they had sent, "It is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of American would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region." It's not God's Israel. It's a fake Israel meant to serve as a military base for the west's "interests in the region".

Here is were you are getting lots of things wrong:
". And if Jews really were "God's chosen people", then apparently God himself couldn't stand against the might of the Roman Empire." God punished the jews, just like in the holocaust, joking about it is still bad, but we did something that God didn't like, and he punished us, but he did promise our land back, and thats what Zionism is fulfilling here. Also, if that was the case, why did God help Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war? Why did God help Israel during the 6 day war? Why did God help Israel during the Yom Kippur war? And why now is God helping Israel against Hamas? You people don't think. If they werent the chosen people, Israel would not have gotten so lucky.
"when you take over a business, you can change the name of it. You don't have to use the same name it was called before, because you're the owner now." To compare businesses to politics and history is like saying comparing a book to a computer, they have some similarities, but the rest is different.
"The current "Israel" isn't actually "Israel" The reason why Zionism chose the name Israel was to honor Israels history in that land, and to honor the prophet David who is nicknamed Israel.

So please, learn some history.

Sure.

What you call “Palestine” was under British rule, there has never been a Palestinian state and if there ever is one it won’t be for a long time.

The original meme wanted to debate if "Palestine " exists or not. Whether it was independent or not is another matter. Too many people are saying that palestine never existed, yet it shows it quite clearly on the map I posted, if you want to ignore the online map, go to any history book in your local library and view a map of the middle east prior to 1900.

It was under Ottoman Rule until after WW1.

"It" being Palestine? So, you agree that Palestine exists. It doesn't matter who reigns or rules the area at the time. That would be like saying gypsies don't exist because they have no homeland and are nomads.

The region was called Palestine after the Bar Kokhba revolt prior to that it was called Judea.

So over 2000 years ago it was Judea? How far back does ownership of land go? Should we use the same metrics for the land that we are currently standing on?

Leftists push for giving the land back to the Natives all the time, and now that Jews are returning to their land the Logic suddenly doesn’t make sense?

Yea giving land back to Natives is a joke, they were slapped and lost . To the winner go the spoils. The logic doesn't make sense, why would any of that be logical, just because someone lived somewhere 2 -3 thousand years ago doesn't give them any right to the land now.

It does when they still live in the land and are more than willing to share it with the people that arrived after many were exiled.

Not by force though, thats the problem. You can't force intergration. Look at the results of forcing diversity on America.. we are crumbling under it.

"there has never been a Palestinian state"

Sure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartography_of_Palestine (just look at how many COUNTLESS PEOPLE called it Palestine, including the Crusaders that you defend, worship and adore and NONE called it "Israel").

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The modern word “Palestine” was named after the Greek Philistines by the Romans to mock the Jews after the Bar Kokhba revolt, and Rome is probably the biggest influence on the Modern West, so they called it Palestine because of that.

And these Philistines existed in the 12th century BCE before there was even the Kingdom of Israel in the 11th century BCE (look up Philistia), so what's your point exactly? The Palestinians of today are Semitic people who were originally Jewish and Christian before it was conquered by Omar ibn al-Khattab (Rashidun Caliphate) in around 636, no one was exterminated, expelled or force converted to Islam when they conquered Jerusalem just like how Syrians of today are not actually of Arab descent (as in the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula). No history book ever implies that they were exterminated/expelled/force converted except some retarded brainwashed Islamophobes from the 21st century shat that because they "guessed it" based on what they see on the TV and wrote a book based on their delusions with no actual history lessons.

The Philistines are not related to the Arabs in Gaza and Samaria, they are related to the Greeks in Crete and Cyprus. The Palestinians are Arabs from Egypt and Jordan.

Until 1918, Palestine was an part of the Ottoman Empire so the currency was Ottoman lira.
From 1920 to 48 it was the Palestinian Pound, pretty much the same thing as the sterling pound.
Regardless of the slavery system we call money being implemented, it’s clear, love that 100 years ago meme btw, that Palestine did exist.
I mean everyone knows “ownership” of anything is an absurd and ridiculous notion, no one can ever actually own anything, ownership is purely a concept, a mental construct, nonetheless, a coin from 1927 seems to me to be a reasonable proof of the existence of Palestine prior to the creation and installation of Israel by the UN in 1948.

Remember kids, Palestine was never an independent country before 1948.

Palestine was an insult bestowed upon Israel by the Roman emperor Hadrian, in recognition of their thorn in the sideism and aversion to Roman authority. When you say free palrstine you're really heralding the cause of the Israelis or jews, whom you hate. But hypocrisy is the way of malcontented liberals.

Its not truly a hatred for jews, its hatred for Zionism, a political movement that claims God gives zionists a right to take land.

Yes it is, it is about Jews. The Pro Palestine crowd wants a second Holocaust.

ZIonism is the reason for the deep hatred in the middle east, Thousands of Orthodox Jews came out against Zionism and they were silenced. Its not about Jews, its about Zionism. If a group came to America , and said God promised them land , forcing Americans out of their homes , We would have the same amount of hatred for that group. This anger started with the bombings of the rafas and damascus gates by Jewish terrorist "Irgun". That is how this all started.

The reason why nobody likes the Middle East is because of Radical Islamists, it isn’t the fault of the Jews like you claim it is. Also those are two very different scenarios, the Jews are actually native to the land that is Israel, the Israelis never forced anyone out of their homes and the Israelis are more than willing to give the Palestinians a state, it is the Palestinians who do not want peace.

They are two sides of the same coin, Please check out bombing of rafas and Damascus gates in 1946, the same time Israel was trying to be installed in the area. This is not my opinion, there is historical evidence (recent ) that shows what happened and where the hatred started. Knowing where it started gives you a new prespective on the whole situation. My feelings is that America should never have sent military aid to anyone or any nation in the middle east, and foriegn aid needs to end completely , not just for one side or the other. America needs to get out completely and let them settle their own issues.

"They are two sides of the same coin, Please check out bombing of rafas and Damascus gates in 1946, the same time Israel was trying to be installed in the area. " At the time, both Jews and Islam were having these radical attacks against the British government and the each other. Just because the jews did it, doesn't mean the Arabs didn't do the same.

That is true, however , what I see is the complete and utter rejection that jews were involved with terrorism by my conservative brothers and sisters, we have to be true to facts even when they are distasteful.. Zionist terrorists (irgun) are just as at fault as any other group leading to the current situation in the middle east.

Yes i agree, but remember, The Jews did that a=because they felt as if the British were lying to them, as the British did promise them a country in that region. But with what was already going on there, there was too much tension for Britain to handle and gave it to the UN to solve it, and the UN only made things worse.

Or Israel can just wipe them off the map, they have the capability and the military prowess. Using the reason that they are destroying terrorism in self defense , pretty much gives them the green light to commit genocide.

They are not committing genocide, as Hamas should be responsible for Gazans safety, as you are generally expected to keep your civilians safe during time of war, no matter what the aggressors do, Hamas failed to do that during their rise of power in 2005. Yes, Israel as well failed to realize the threat in October 7th as well and in 1973, on October 6th, but when they realized the threat, they prioritized their civilians and pushed Hamas back into Gaza. Honestly, if you don't want to be invaded, don't give a reason to be invaded.

Actually what I was saying is that they could commit genocide on the gazans, that is truly the only option Israel has. The only way to crush an idea is to completely eliminate anyone who has it. If Irsael what to protect itself from hate or people that want it destroyed, what other option do they have? Even on the world stage, Israel wipes GAza off the map- in 3 months everyone will get over it. Theoretically the opposite holds true too, If somehow the Arab Nations over power the IDF and Slaughter the Israeli goverment. Most Americans couldn't care less about what is going on other there.

Yeah you are right, hense why i say one of the options is for one of the country has to be booted/invaded.

100%, Britain and the UN .. they really screwed the pooch. As I said on other streams .. the best thing for America to do is to stop all foreign aid and let them duke it out themselves for control.

Sadly, this conflict has gotten so bad, the only ways for peace to happen there was if one of them got the boot or Palestine learns to accept what they have. Or else this conflict is going nowhere.

"Thousands of Orthodox Jews came out against Zionism and they were silenced." I did make a meme about this, and i said those kind of jews are just deceived jews dressed as wise Jews, here: imgflip.com/i/8onyoe
Theodore Hertzl, the creator/founder of Zionism was a Hungarian Journalist Jew, who created the Zionist movement to end Jewish oppression in Europe, and give Jews a state in the world.

well, your meme is an opinion. I believe that the Orthodox Jews feel that the zionist movement goes against the teachings. Someone that truly believes that they are God's Chosen people would not be so quick to wage war and win by any means necessary. But this conversation is entering opinions, a debate of opinions is nothing more than a dog chasing their tail, it just goes in circles. ;)

Zionism did not exist during the fall of the kingdom of Israel and Judea, so how can you say it was built from hatred against Zionism when it didn't even exist at the time? It was created 1,000s years later in 1897 by Hertzl