Reality sinks in

Obie was on the bottom starting in 2017…Joe moved below Carter in 2020

Jimmy used a lot of money to lobby for his Nobel Peace Prize... so there is that.

I never thought he was the worst. Nowlt with Bucchanan, Johnson, Wilson, and Biden in the running.

Voting Wilson 3rd

Carter was bad but I don't think he was the worst. I think Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were much worse than Carter. Lyndon Johnson is on that list also. However, Biden will go down in history as the one who destroyed the United States of America. Especially if we let the same amount of voter fraud happen 2024 that we did in 2020.

Why? What made him the worst. And be honest. No liberal talking points. Explain in your own words what exact policies did he enact, what laws did he sign. And most importantly WHY are they bad.

In addition what made Trump worst than a president who locked up 100's of thousands of innocent Japanese, German and Italian Americans? What did Trump do that was worse than FDR?

If you want liberal talking points, go find them yourself.

Oh, and for the record, I never said Trump was the worst president. I never ever once ever said he was president at all. Ever.

- of anything other than Trump Inc, of course.

Didn’t Franklin Roosevelt get the U.S. out of the Great Depression and lead through the majority of WWII?

Not really. He inherited the depression because of the stupid things that Hoover did to try to "fix" the economy. Roosevelt beat Hoover on a campaign of "change". All Roosevelt did was copy Hoover and add a few other really stupid ideas to try to "fix" the economy. He spent tons of money and ended up doing nothing. What helped to finally weaken the depression was WWII. Not that war is good for the economy. That idea is a myth. What WWII did was to kill off a huge segment of the unemployed and it gave a temporary boost to the economy when everyone started manufacturing war supplies.

At the end of 1919 (ten years before the stock market crash that triggered the great depression) there was another stock market crash. At the beginning of 1920 a depression started. Warren Harding was president. He took a hands off approach and got the government out of the way. He died and his vice president, Calvin Coolidge, took over. Coolidge continued Harding's policy if getting the government out of the way. Within 18 months the depression ended and the economy was in full recovery. Coolidge kept that policy of keeping the government out of the way and as a result he had one of the largest economic booms ever. They called it the roaring 20's because everyone was doing well, especially the poor.

Then, after Hoover was elected, in 1929 the Federal Reserve cut the money supply, just like they did in 1919. This caused a panic in the market. The economy began to fall apart. Between Hoover and FDR the great depression lasted well over 10 years.

In fact the economy didn't go into rebound until the day that FDR died, while in office. It was doing a lot better than it was in the late 20's and all through the 30's into the 40's but his death caused consumer confidence to go up and businesses began re-investing in themselves again.

A very similar thing happened in November of 2015. Hillary lost the election and businesses started re-investing in themselves and the economy went from bust to boom again.

The idea that FDR got us out of the great depression is just a foolish myth, yet it is taught in our schools and everyone believes it but it is just a lie. FDR was a poison pill for the economy. Not one single policy he passed did anything to improve the economy.

First of all, I’m always one for a long, thought-out answer. I can respect you for the effort. That being said, I hope you can respect my rebuttal

To say that none of FDR’s policies helped the economy would be disingenuous. After all, his administration would found the Social Security Administration, and the Wagner Act would go leagues in supporting workers unions, both which help many Americans financially to this day.

On a similar note, the New Deal would aid in restoring faith in American Democracy in a time where Fascism and Communism were prominent in several European countries (actual fascism and communism, that is, not the buzzwords they have become today). While many of its initiatives would be struck down in courts, the hope it restored in the American people would also have a hand in businesses booming, even if it was after FDR’s death like you pointed out.

While perhaps FDR isn’t as great as history class made him out to be, his legacy and impact on America today should still be accounted for in discussions of the quality of past U.S. presidents

"(actual fascism and communism, that is, not the buzzwords they have become today)"

I just want to say how honored I am to know someone who actually understands that. There are far too many people throwing that word around with no clue what it means. Everyone on the left on ImgFlip just assign whatever definition they want to fascism. I always tell them if they want to know what fascism is then look at Benito Mussolini.

Now back to you other points. You went to great links trying to explain how government programs saved the economy. First you need to know that government programs are the cause of a bad economy. You just cannot take more money from those who produce the wealth and ever expect anything good.

Social Security was created as a means to fleece taxpayers and the government has been stealing funds earmarked for the retired ever since. Back when it was institute the mortality rate was about 40 years. The government never expected very many people collecting SS. But then medical science improved and now SS pays out more than the Ponzi scheme takes in. It's on the verge of bankruptcy.

I've forgotten what the Wagner act actually did but look at it this way. Only about 13% of the total labor force is unionized. So how did taking money out of the economy to help 13% do anything to help the economy. Sure it helped 13% of Americans but 100% of the labor force had to pay for that "help". Unions are the most greedy and self-centered organizations in the country. They do nothing but bully and threaten business and then try to claim credit for all of the benefits businesses pay out to their employees. Unions didn't do any of that, the free market did. Businesses were losing employees and they had to come up with new ideas to entice people to stay. 40 hours work weeks were offered by Henry Ford to his employees years before unions began to demand them.

If the schools weren't so one sided politically, then FDR would have been shown to be one of the worst presidents in US history. Just the fact that he imprisoned Japanese, Italian and German Americans is bad enough. But his National Recovery Act nearly starved America. Then he ordered pig farmers to slaughter their pigs just to drive the price of pork up in a idiotic way of helping the farmers. He made it illegal to own gold. The state of Utah was struggling so much with a severely weakend dollar that they created their own currency just to put food in the table.

“Just the fact that he imprisoned Japanese, Italian and German Americans is bad enough.”

That is a point often not brought up when discussing FDR that I must concede to you. While the government has apologized for it, it doesn’t truly make what they did back then right. Well played.

It’s clear that we have different perspectives on Social Security and Unions that won’t change through debate, so I won’t debate that further. That being said, you have helped me learn more about their downsides. Thank you for the wider education!

However, I’d still like to debate government programs on the economy in general, specifically when you said they cause bad economies. Keep in mind that I have no formal education on economics, so feel free to correct me if you’ve learned something different from your education.

It’s my current belief that government programs aren’t the cause of a bad economy, but rather the effect of a failing one. After all, the New Deal was an effect of the Great Depression, not the cause of it, and the Inflation Reduction Act did not cause a horrible economy, but rather a combination of COVID-19 related issues, the anti-consumer Tax Cuts and Jobs passed by the Trump Administration (which would lower the amount of tax deductions an individual would receive until 2025 and decrease taxes for businesses permanently. Keep this in mind next year if you can find more tax reductions next year, and know that it was preordained and not the result or who got re-elected), and, admittedly, early And poorly-timed executive orders from Biden that would decrease U.S. Oil production.

While it may be a bit early to discuss the full effectiveness of the Inflation Reduction Act and its legacy, I suspect that it, much like the New Deal, has potential to kickstart a better economy for all of us, not just see the top 1% continue to hoard their wealth and coast off of regressive tax cuts

Why fascism? Because in order to do this governments and businesses have to work together to make it happen. So the world's top 10 finance companies, BlackRock, Vangaurd, etc are putting the squeeze on all of the large to medium corporations in the world. If they (and those they do business with) do not follow orders they no longer are funded.

This program created by the World Economic Forum is called ESG (Environment, Social and Governance). It is a social credit score that the lower it gets the less funding the business gets.

BTW. Just so you know. This is NOT a conspiracy theory. This is actually happening right now and has been going on at least since Trump was in office (Trump was not a part of this). Everything I am telling you about the WEF and the great reset can be found on the WEF's website. They try to hide it with global warming and climate change but it's not hard to see through that smoke screen.

When Biden was elected, John Kerry went Switzerland (where the WEF is headquartered) to assure them that Joe Biden was 100% onboard with the great reset. (https://rumble.com/v1nky7y-john-kerry-the-great-reset-will-happen-with-greater-speed-and-intensity-tha.html)

Anyway, the entire reason for Biden push for modern monetary theory is to collapse the dollar. This is exactly why such massive voter fraud happened in 2020. When Trump won in 2016 he was not supposed to. That election was rigged to put Hillary in the White House so she could finishe the job that Obama started. It just wasn't rigged enough.

BTW don't think that it isn't happening. They've rigged the Democratic primary elections. Both times Bernie Sanders ran for president he should have won the Democratic nomination because he got the most votes. But Sanders has his own mind and can't be controlled. Hillary can't be controlled either but she is and has always wanted a revolution and the destruction of free market capitalism.

Well... I'm going to stop here. I've typed a whole lot and my hands are tired and I am getting sleepy. Take care.

I can see you are very passionate about this topic. Have a good night and I wish you well.
Though I would like to point out that the source you listed, Rumble, is not a very trustworthy source, being cited as posting misleading information, especially since the pandemic.
I do not wish to discredit you as an authority on the topic or strike your ego by saying this, it’s clear you care a lot about our country. My intent is to double-check the source of your facts so that we can guarantee we have all the right information. If I cite a source that you know as unreliable in an argument, feel free to call me out on it as well.
For example, the source I used to check Rumble was Mediabiasfactcheck.com. If that’s an unreliable source, please tell me so we can all have our facts straight.
Thank you again for this insightful conversation!

Rumble gets a bad rap only because they don't censor speech like YouTube does. It's no more or less reliable than YouTube. It's just when it comes to finding video of people like John Kerry or anyone else making statements that the left doesn't want you to know about, if you can't find it on YouTube then try Rumble.

It's not that the video is fake, it just goes against the narrative.

Please do verify everything. When possible, go to the source. Journalists these days are as trustworthy as snake oil salesmen. In fact the weatherman has better accuracy than the news anchor. So you have to always try to find the source. That's the only advice I can give.

If you find that I am wrong about anything, let me know. I'm only interested in the truth.

When Biden took office he repeated what Obama had done and that was to get the Federal Reserve to start printing money by the billions. Bush Jr started it in and idiotic way of trying to "fix" the recession of 2007. It's called quantitative easing. It is an exceptionally stupid idea because in the midst of any kind of an economic downturn the last thing you want to do is devalue the dollar. Bush's quantitative easing was a temporary measure and it was shut down before he left office. Obama loved the idea and started printing like there was no tomorrow. From what I understand the printing presses (actually the money is created digitally, not actually printed) didn't stop under Trump. The thing Biden did was to crank the printing to 11, because it was one louder. Immediately the value of the dollar plummeted. This means it takes more dollars to be fewer goods. We see it as across the board price increases on everything.

The ONLY way inflation can happen is by devaluing the currency. It doesn't happen any other way.

The hardest hit are always the poor. This time many who are poor had to choose between putting food on the table or putting gas in their cars to get to work.

Biden is operating under a newer economic theory. It's not quantitative easing, it's called Modern Monetary Theory. When this theory was first introduced it was laughed at and it was a bipartisan laugh. Everyone who know about it can clearly see it causes inflation.

But that hasn't stopped Biden. Those who control him have told him that this is to be the new economic policy in America.

The theory goes, if the government needs money for anything, they just print it. The sky is the limit on the printing. Those who propose this theory know it causes inflation so what they say is that inflation can be curbed through legislation. Except it doesn't. Even if you name a bill The Inflation Reduction Act it does not mean anything at all.

Biden's handlers want to collapse the dollar. It is their stated goal. And the orders to do this all come from the World Economic Forum. The WEF's plan is called the great reset. They collapse the world's economy, destroy everyone's currency and then they come in with a new 21st century type of facism, a global fascism.

You, sir, are the coolest dude I've ever disagreed with on ImgFlip, and I sincerely mean that.

I have no formal education in economics. Instead, about 20 years ago I was watching some show and they were going on about such and such being bad for the economy and I thought, how do they know? So I began to study on my own. I read books, watched YouTube videos produced or about known economists. And everything just started making sense to me.

I would suggest a book called "The Big Three in Economics" by Skousen (I can't remember his first name right now but then how many Skousens are there in the world - aside from his uncle, Cleon Skousen, who is also an author).

The economy will always have ups and downs. It is a force of nature. What has always caused downturns is when any government attempts to control it. For example the Federal Reserve (not part of the government) was created with the help of Woodrow Wilson. The intention was to make sure the downs were never massive. Just 16 years after it was forced on us we had, by far, the worst down turn in US history. And since then out downs are worse than before and our ups are not as high as they used to. The Federal Reserve track record is a dismal failure.

Oops l, I gotta run right now. More on this later.

Interesting. By the way, I’m actually a girl. Nothing against ya, just thought you should know. Please do carry on, I’d love to know more about this

Okay. I'm back. Here is a video on YouTube about something called the Broken Window Fallacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR2mxZX1B9w

19th century economist, Fredric Bastiat, came up with this idea. In the video the government is always the broken window because they take money, which they did not earn, to pay for non productive things. This creates a drain on the economy.

You are correct that the New Deal and the clearly misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" came as a result of a bad economy. The New Deal did not help the economy. It did not have a severe negative effect either. The worst of the great depression happened under Hoover so this is why so many people think that FDR got us out of the great depression because it did improved from the Hoover administration but it did not go away either. And it didn't get better because of anything FDR did.

FDR's Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau Jr., said this in 1939:

"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong ... somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. ... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot."

Rather than go into the problems the New Deal caused, here is an article that explains it: https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-fdrs-new-deal-harmed-millions-poor-people

The Inflation Reduction Act was given that name because the first time they tried to push that bill through Congress it failed. It was originally called the Green New Deal. What it included was a tax increase on everyone in America except for those earning between $10,000 and $20,000 per year. Everyone else above and below that salary range saw a tax increase. It also included huge amounts of spending on "green" energy. And if I remember correctly it, like nearly every other bill Biden signs into law includes 10's of billions sent to Ukraine.

Nothing was done to curb inflation. Inflation caused by policies. It is not a natural phenomena in the economy. It happens when too much money is printed. Each new dollar devalues all the rest by a fraction. Keep printing and the money keeps losing value.

He never was, it was always Trump

What? Or are talking more of a existential lack of existence

PFT- what?

He never was. That title belongs to Andrew Jackson.

Bro I’m sorry but if Jan 6th hadn’t happened worst president would still go to bush jr.

I’d say 3rd or 4th

Disagree but not at all unreasonable.

What dose Jan 6 th have to do with it?

this meme only worked in 2016

Do you have a better meme?

That’s the whole point
He is no longer the worst

Yea cuz trump is the worst

Is that why we had global peace and prosperity during those years?

did u watch State of the Union?

THE MOST UN-AMERICAN STATE OF THE UNION SPEECH IN HISTORY. A DICTATORSHIP OF OPPRESSION,
USING GOVERNMENT POWER TO SUBJUGATE THE WORKING PEOPLE
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hey. Trump will end democracy.
Also your party lost the election. Fairly, only far-right crazy brainwashed people believe Trump.

America’s not a democracy! Never has been! If you mean democrats version on democracy where the ruling elite govern; yup! That’s why the saying destroyed OUR democracy the rich and poor. Us working type get screwed by “ our democracy “

Yes, very un-American sentiment… this party is frightening..