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Evolution - can't have it both ways | 'Charles Darwin and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection' 
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Embraced as proof the evolution of each species is the product of the strong surviving and weak fading away; IF TRUE, WHY ALL THE WORRY ABOUT "CLIMATE CHANGE"? THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE AND THE WEAK WILL FADE LEAVING STRONGER SPECIES AS INTENDED BY EVOLUTION | image tagged in evolution,creationism,darwinism | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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4 ups, 6mo
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Laughing Don Draper | WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL FULL TITLE OF DARWIN'S BOOK AGAIN? | image tagged in laughing don draper | made w/ Imgflip meme maker
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So, in what way is "favoured races" supposed to be understood? Surely a finch isn't considered a "race". No, I haven't read the book. Maybe you could enlighten me...
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Ok, I'll give it that. I wasn't around at that time, so I could have misunderstood the lingo. However, finches adapting to their environment and "evolving", so to speak, does not prove the birds evolving into a different species. The finches are still finches. The only thing that will turn one species of animal into another is the magical element of millions of years and imagination. We simply don't see the millions of transitional fossils in the Fossil record that would have to be there if this were true. Darwin himself said in that book..."the number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, [must] be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graded organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."
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2 ups, 6mo
Yes, it would require millions of years, otherwise we would still see species evolving into another and dying off in modern times, and the transitional fossils would be higher up in the strata.
And like you said, the book was published in 1859. Darwin wasn't aware of the complexity of the cell. He said that if it could be shown that any system or organ could not be produced by many small steps, continuously improving the system at each step, then his system would absolutely fall apart. The irreducible complexity of the cell that we know of today causes his theory to fall apart. Like a mousetrap, all working parts need to be together all at once for it to work.
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Darwin was very racist.
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No, I'm serious, he was racist, viewing Europeans as superior. The only defense his fandom claims is that he was basically a man of his times. Oh, and that he was an abolitionist. See, racial heirarchy - whadda ya expect for a man from the 1800s, abolitionist - he was soooooo advanced.
He also held very sexist views as well.

Guy stole 'his' theory anyways, so frig him. World's most celebrated ripoff artist.
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What work? He STOLE it.
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Well, I'm not a scientist, or even a scholarly intellectual. But there are many of each that still don't believe in this theory. Which it still is. Just a theory. We don't see it still happening today. Apes stay apes, fish stay fish, birds stay birds. Huge assumptions must still be made, and millions of years, from one to change to another.
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Ok, so you say we still see it happening today. Name one new species that has developed. And how does it further evolution on the geand scale for humans? Because if it doesn't it's a moot point. Humans aren't evolving further today.
And apes, fish and birds aren't "species", what are they? Just because you use a different word, does not negate the concept.
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Yeah, classic story.
See, Charles Darwin came up with this amazing theory, but was afraid that society would say he's a big poo head and won't let him go the Heaven. So he sits on it for twenty years till Alfred Russel Wallace approaches him with this amazing theory of his own, and would like Darwin to help him publish it, having the connections he had.

Darwin agrees to help, but then the next day he suddenly recalled that he had come up with the same exact theory too, then proceeded to publish it. Due to a clerical error of his own and the same absent-mindedness that caused him to forget he had the same theory 20 yrs prior Darwin forgot to put Wallace's name in the publication of Wallace's idea and........

*wipes tear* such a touching story. If it wasn't for Wallace, Darwin would never have remembered he came up with Darwin's Theory first.
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1 up, 6mo
It explained it alright. To Darwin.
He wasn't the first, and he wasn't the last to go collecting specimens around the world, especially back then.

Whatever Darwin came up with, we do know with absolute certainity that:
Not a pip from him till Wallace approached him with the idea,
He didn't credit Wallace.

So the only question is, and always shall be, how much was safely esconced in Darwin's head. Oh, and why did he screw him over.

Also, it IS an interesting example of evolution in action, as Darwin apparently suddenly evolved a pair of balls.
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Ok, I see you are going to give me the same runaround evolutionists usually do. You always post links, because you can't explain it in your own words, and then play word games. Like I said ,"if apes, birds, and fish aren't species, then what are they?", you said they are "broad categories,...[of] different species" Which still is a species. Really? And if a fish couldn't change into anything other than a fish, then they would have never got out of the ocean, which is exactly what evolution would have to do. Finally, humans aren't evolving. Just because humans are drinking milk without getting sick, doesn't mean we're evolving, or even that mutations are even good for us. Mutations usually always take away, not add to, the human condition. Now,I'd love to keep debating with you on this, but it's New Years' Eve. So I'll leave you with this meme, and I'll reply to your next comment next year. Happy New Year! 😁
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Well, I see you like to do the old- copy and paste every comment I make, before responding to them. I'm not a big fan of that, because not only does it make the whole thing longer, it seems to imply that I'm not smart enough to get which of my comments you're responding to. I know what I said, I don't need it repeated back to me. I've debated many people on various subjects ).who debate this way, and I just find it demeaning.

I would rather hear your own interpretation of what you learned out of the link, (it likely won't be as feeble as you think). If you can't describe it in your own words, that tells me you don't fully understand it yourself. I'm a simple man. I need things simplified as much as possible for me to get it. Especially if the subject itself is complex.

So, there are many species of fish. I get that. But whatever you want to call the "broad category", whether it's genus, family, or whatever, there has to be a point where one genus crosses over into another. The most famous of all being the "missing link" between apes and man. At some point the fish stopped being a fish, and crossed over to become a Lizard, or something, and so on down the line. But for some reason, all those intermediate subspecies died off, yet all the other species within the genus lived on. So, like I said, even though these missing links died off, we should see millions of fossilized evidence of this, all over the world. Which we do not. I've seen many links over the years that evolutionists like yourself have shown me that try to show this evidence, but it's all very sparse, vague, and dubious at best. You should be able to go to any major museum and look at them yourself, yet they say they keep them locked away and you can't view them, or they simply admit they don't have any at all.

Mutations in humans are the cause of many disabilities like downs syndrome. I've never heard of a mutation that humans have benefitted from. (Other than the milk thing you brought up).

Lastly, to me, just looking at the second law of thermodynamics negates evolution. It things break down over time and are in a constant state of entropy, so how is evolution possible? Yes, I recognize microevolution through adaptation within the genus' is possible, even to the point that people on average are living longer these days, but that still does not prove macroevolution, or a jump from one genus to the next. It's never been observed, and never will be.
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The "Natural" Selection of President Pedo Stalin and VP MC Ouija Cackle = sure makes an evolutionary body wonder.
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Sometimes a mutant gets through.
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Evolution 'intends' no thing, and it is not the stongest, but rather the best adapted to a particular enviroment that survives.
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Just look at humans. Can't even drink from a clean stream without boiling it first, and they need fire even in the tropics lest they die from exposure.
No wonder the Gods created the Universe, they couldn't make it without all the, well, creature comforts
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"they" meaning the Gods. In their image? The weakest creature to have ever existed?
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Um yes it is. The earth will definitely survive. We as a species may not. But a new stronger, or at least better adapted species will emerge.
Humans are not special. We are not the end game of evolution. To think otherwise is extremely narcissistic.
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'Charles Darwin and the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection' - Embraced as proof the evolution of each species is the product of the strong surviving and weak fading away; IF TRUE, WHY ALL THE WORRY ABOUT "CLIMATE CHANGE"? THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE AND THE WEAK WILL FADE LEAVING STRONGER SPECIES AS INTENDED BY EVOLUTION