Voting for change...

So I am not a John Birch society kind of a guy. I have nothing against them but I am not into conspiracy theories. I just try to make sense out of the facts instead. But my dad leaned a little more on the John Birch side all my life growing up.

But here is the point I am trying to make. I have been hearing that the CFR is part of the New World Order all my life. It wasn't until I heard about the UN's Agenda 21 and then Agenda 2030 that I saw who the New World Order is. And now the World Economic Forum is just blatantly throwing it in your face that they want a global fascistic government. One were "you will own nothing and be happy."

So forgive me if I just do not put any faith in your meme, seeing how it came from the CFR. Regardless if they are part of the New World Order or not they skew heavily to the left. Which means (just like everything from the left) they are lying. There used to be a time when the Dems still had a shred of any semblance of morality, but those days are long gone. Without morality there is no reason not to lie when you are trying to prove your point.

So try and find actual stats from a reputable source.

And why are there fewer registered voters now than back then? Did all of those fake registrations get cleaned out of the system? BTW you do know it is illegal to vote more than once. It does not matter if you travel to another state and have a bogus residency setup in that state. It is still illegal. You know what else is illegal? Allowing millions of non-citizens to flood across our border and creating bogus id's so that you can bus them around from precinct to precinct and making them vote Democrat.

Was every major news source in America bribed to "cover it up" ? Soros?

"And why are there fewer registered voters now than back then?"

Well a million of em might've died in a pandemic but I have a feeling you think those deaths are also "fake news".... registered voters has ebbed and flowed for almost 20 years though. Also I'd tend to think people give more f*cks about being registered to vote for president vs the midterms 2 years after.

Yes I'm aware voting twice is illegal. Several Republicans were caught doing that in 2020. I think trump even suggested it once? Not sure.

Ya I've heard about the alleged millions of undocumented immigrants voting... on an anonymous meme website.

..Interesting claim in this context though. I mean... weren't the borders "closed" under trump??? Did Biden "open" the borders and send immigrants back in time to vote for him in 2020 or how exactly does that work?

Every major news source sold out their integrity decades ago. The mainstream media is nothing but propaganda for the left.

The pandemic???? You're blaming the pandemic???? In case you forget the pandemic stated BEFORE the election.

How do you know from you stat that the majority of voters were Democrats. The left hates to admit it but Trump was a wildly popular president. The left could not see it because they were blinded by their extreme hatred.

Trump winning changed the mood in America so that businesses started reinvesting in themselves causing a massive hiring boom. The economy was well on its way to recovery. But then the global fascists released the virus they engineered on the world.

No president who presided over a booming economy has ever lost re-election. But then no president who presided over a dead economy has ever won re-election until Obama cheated his way back into the White House through voter fraud. But as it turned out we wouldn't have been any better off if Romney had won. What a massive disappointment Romney is.

This is how you will know if there is voter fraud in 2024. If Biden wins he can only win be fraud. And it's going to have to be on a much bigger scale then in 2020. Biden has the lowest approval rate ever. A lot of Dems ate disappointed with him. And if you leftists could suspend your hatred for Trump for a minute and ask if the country was better under Trump than under Biden then you would realize what a horrible mistake Biden is. But then maybe you think unemployment is good for America. Perhaps you think millions of people from all over the world illegally immigrating into the country, including hundreds of thousands of Islamic terrorists.

Your president is the most anti-American president we've ever had. Well, I shouldn't say that, he's just a puppet. That's why the senile idiot was installed. It's the international fascists who are pulling his puppet strings.

Ah.. well I guess this discussion will be based on feels then. If you don't believe any media, you can't cite a source to back anything up because its all fake news and you won't believe mine if I do.. CFR or not was irrelevant.

Did you forget what we were talking about..? Maybe I need to do a recap...

You: "And why are there fewer registered voters now than back then?"

Me: " well a million might've died in the pandemic"

You: "The pandemic??? You're blaming the pandemic??? In case you forget the pandemic stated BEFORE the election."

True. It *started Feb 2020 And it did not end in 2020. It continued. So that might be 1 factor in explaining why the amount of registered voters decreased from 2020 to 2022.

"How do you know from you stat that the majority of voters were Democrats."

Once again you seem to be forgetting context. The person I originally responded to here's point was that there were millions more total votes than registered voters in America. Therefore muh fraud.. because math. (apparently their source was the tweet on facebook...but not 100% sure..)

Whether or not the majority of the voters were democrat or republican is irrelevant to my point. I'm saying there is no evidence that there were millions more votes than registered voters. Multiple sources say the opposite.

And as far as trump losing, saying something has not happened before is not evidence that it cannot happen.
Obama was handed a recession/ stock market crash aka "dead economy" from GW Bush. He turned it around. I literally dont know what you're talking about &I don't think you do either.

There.. I added a meme of the DJIA so you can see my point.

"If Biden wins he can only win be fraud".

Yes I understand you think that is the only way he can win. Pretty sure the twice impeached, 4 times indicted failed former president trump said the same thing in 2016.

This might be a shock to you but I don't think America has been destroidDdDd.. I think Joe Biden was handed a complete pile of sh*t state of affairs in 2021 exactly like Obama was in 2009. The right seems to view the trump years with rose colored glasses & seems to have completely deleted 2020 out of their memory. Or if they do remember it they blame dems and Joe Biden anyway.

I dont know how you can bring up unemployment considering biden beat trump in terms of lowest unemployment number.... Ah... nevermind... To you the media is fake news. So you can basically say whatever you want.

Look up the Bureau of Labor Statistics and find the Labor Participation rate. This is the rate of the number of working age adults compared to the number who are employed. Everyone looks at the unemployment rate but that is a bogus rate. That rate is the number of people who are collecting unemployment compensation. It does not take into account anyone who has been on unemployment over 2 years and have fallen off the roles.

Under Bush the Labor Participate was not great but it wasn't bad either. Under Obama it was dismal. The media will NOT report that. Their job is to tell you everything is wonderful when a Democrat is president and everything is awful with a Republican is president. That is all they know how to do.

Also look up the Debt to GDP ratio. The lower the percentage the better off America and the dollar is financially. It is easier to pay or debts. There have only been two times in American history where the Debt to GDP ratio has been over 100%. When it is over 100% American manufacturing cannot produce enough products for the government to tax so they can pay their bills. It is like if you work at McDonalds and you take out a loan on a $300,000 house. You don't earn enough to pay your mortgage.

The first time the Debt to GDP ratio went over 100% was during the Great Depression and it was a result of Roosevelt being a compete and utter moron, prolonging the depression over 10 years. He spent money like crazy.

The second time it went over 100% was under Obama. It has never been less than 100% at any time after Obama (including the Trump years). Obama lowered our national credit rating twice. It went back up by the end of his second term but it has dropped even further under Biden.

So while you are fussing over news that you disagree with being fake news, I just told you to look up the stats directly from the government. Always, always, always go do the source.

The mainstream media lies their butts off to protect Democrats and lie their butts off to destroy Republicans. This is clearly obvious when you find the sources yourself.

So ya I looked up the labor force participation rate stats directly from the government. Idk what you think you proved with that.

The labor force participation rate dipped ~3% as Obama got us out of the recession which he inherited from Bush and then leveled out more or less flat before trump got in... therefore Obama destroyed the economy?

And it was "booming" after Obama when trump got in.. because it rose maybe ~0.6%... total.. at the most... and was still lower at that time than at any point of obama's first term.. .....which you said was so bad that you implied it was some sort of evidence of voter fraud that Obama managed to get elected again.

If a ~0.6% increase in 3 years regardless of what the previous rate was indicates a "booming economy" then I guess Joe Biden's economy is even better than "booming".

I think its interesting that you brought up unemployment but soon as I mention Biden beating trump in the unemployment rate, the unemployment rate becomes fake news. It was fake news under Obama, then it became real news when trump got elected (and was often mentioned defining "the economy" and how great it was at the time). Now apparently the unemployment rate has become fake news once again under biden. Shocking.

And of course you hear literally zero right wingers describing it as "the economy" these days because now the definition of "the economy" they have switched from the unemployment rate to inflation..for Joe Biden anyway. For Obama "the economy" is apparently defined as labor force participation and/or debt to GDP ratio. Funny how that works.

"Pointing to it continuing to decline after Obama got elected and saying "AHA look what Obama did".... but not allowing me to attribute the recession which precipated that chain of events and began under Bush to Bush... seems somewhat absurd."

Nothing absurd at all. If Obama understood (and also Bush for that matter) understood how free market economics then that decline that continued under Obama would have been an up turn. And that's the problem. So, yes, I can blame Obama for being a Marxist idiot. Marxist economic theories are crap. They do not work and they never have. And, yes, Obama was a Marxist. He was raised in Marxism. His mother, grandparents and his mentor were all steeped in Marxism. Obama met Michelle at a rally for a new political party that lasted about 5 minutes in Chicago called the New Party. It was based on Marxism.

If Obama had the slightest clue about how economics works he could have turned the recession around in less than a year. Reagan did it after the malaise that Carter left us in. Warren Harding/Calvin Coolidge did it after the nightmare that Wilson left us with. In fact there was a stock market collapse in 1919 that looked just like the one 10 years later. No one ever heard of that one because Coolidge prevented the depression that would have followed if he acted like Hoover and FDR. Hoover and FDR created the Great Depression because of incompetence and no other reason. Hoover should have known better but FDR was steeped in Socialism and had no clue what to do.

Sounds pretty absurd and ridiculous to me.

Are we just going to pretend that free market capitalism isn't what caused the housing bubble to burst and banks to collapse in the first place...? Was Bush secretly a Marxist too or how does that work...?

I mean sure the banks were handing out loans like they were halloween candy but the real problem was mean ol marxist Obama!.... trying to actually make banks have rules!

Is that the "Marxism" you're talking about? Trying to make banks be a little bit more responsible or what?

How come you wrote Bush Recession during the Obama years? Yes, there was a recession when the housing bubble burst. And, yes, Bush was partly to blame, but Obama was NOT the solution to the recession. You can't expect a devout Marxist to ever fix a recession.

You also see how the labor participation rate was going up under Trump and down under Obama. It did start to go back up again at the end of Obama's term.

The left will always put the blame on Trump for the economic decline during the pandemic but that blame falls right at the feet of the governor and other local politicians and all of their totalitarian lock downs. Trump didn't cause the lockdowns. No politician at any level had the right or the authority to lockdown businesses for any reason but they did it anyway. The vast majority of those lockdown Nazis were Democrats.

The labor participation rate was going up under Trump. The greatest thing that happened to the economy was not anything Trump did, it was Hillary losing. You could almost hear a massive sigh of relief in the business world. They started hiring again because they no longer feared the government.

The labor participation rate will never be at 100% because there are a lot of stay at home moms, despite all of the brow beating on the left for moms to work to survive their economic downturns. Plus there are people who prefer to freeload off of other people (like Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, neither of whom worked a day in their lives in the private sector).

I noticed you didn't cover much of the Biden years. How's that going for you?

"How come you wrote Bush Recession during the Obama years? Yes, there was a recession when the housing bubble burst...."

Yes the housing bubble burst.. the stock market was crashing.... huge banks were failing.... Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America, Washington Mutual, Ameribank etc were failing......... and the labor force participation rate had already begun to decline.

Pointing to it continuing to decline after Obama got elected and saying "AHA look what Obama did".... but not allowing me to attribute the recession which precipated that chain of events and began under Bush to Bush... seems somewhat absurd.

But to be fair "Bush Recession" IS somewhat vague considering apparently there were 2 of them which began "under his watch". The first one apparently began only 2 months after Bush was inaugurated in though so eh..

Anywho that (2nd) recession was a complete sh*t show. A sh*t show that Bush started, handed to Obama, and Obama finished... In part by spending our way out of it. I wonder if they had said f*ck it, let the banks fail, and not spent a dime of stimulus where we would've ended up.

If labor force participation merely going up slightly is evidence of a "boom" well... good news everybody. We're in a boom right now.

If you want me to cover said "boom"/ how its going with biden, cool. I will do another chart with trump handing a piece of sh*t to Biden. .....The labor force participation rate is still "the economy", right?

"Are we just going to pretend that free market capitalism isn't what caused the housing bubble to burst and banks to collapse in the first place"

It didn't.

The reason why "the banks were handing out loans like they were halloween candy" was because of the government. Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act which pushed the banks to give housing loans to lower income people. When Clinton was president he tweaked the CRA to push banks harder. Bush came along and upped the game of the CRA and that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

However, there were a few banks who didn't go along with the updated regulations. Those banks didn't suffer like the ones who bowed to the regulations.

This was the direct cause of the housing bubble bursting. Suddenly there were a ton of loan defaults by people who had not business getting those loans in the first place. They could never afford the payments.

The rules that Obama tried to make on the banks was to take them over. He wasn't successful at that but he didn't even come close to solving the problem.

You need to understand what the free market ACTUALLY is and not the BS hype Karl Marx and all of his minions think it is. The cause of every financial downturn or disaster in America was NOT cause by the free market. It can all be directly or indirectly traced by to Marxism. You can also call it corruption but then Marxism IS corruption. Woodrow Wilson (Marxist) forced the Federal Reserve on us. The Feds cut the money supply and caused a panic in the stock market which lead to the crash in 1929. Hoover (not a Marxist but also not an economist) thought the government could help and turned the crash into the great depression. People were disappointed with Hoover and ran to the wrong direction and voted for Roosevelt (Marxist). FDR didn't get rid of Hoover's plans to correct the market, he enhanced them despite running on a campaign of "change" (sound familiar).

Bush didn't cause the housing market bubble collapse but he enhanced an existing policy that did. Nor did the banks cause the housing market bubble to collapse. It was policy based on Marxism. When you demand the government do everything for you, you are relinquishing your freedom and empowering a monster. This is what the Democrats have been doing ever since Woodrow Wilson was president.

"The reason why "the banks were handing out loans like they were halloween candy" was because of the government. [CRA] "

No. They were doing it to make $ and there was plenty of it via Wall Street demand from investors through mortgage backed securities and such.

And loans made by CRA banking institutions were half as likely to default on loans compared with similar loans made in the same neighborhoods by private nonbank mortgage originators not subject to the law. (400 of them went bankrupt during the housing crisis.)

So idk whick ones youre talking about that didn't "suffer like the ones who bowed to the regulations"..?

Also how exactly are you claiming Bush "enhanced" the CRA? ..Less regulation or more?

"We simply cannot accept a system in which hedge funds or private equity firms inside banks can place huge, risky bets that are subsidized by taxpayers and that could pose a conflict of interest. And we cannot accept a system in which shareholders make money on these operations if the bank wins but taxpayers foot the bill if the bank loses."
- more 'Marxism' from Obama?

I looked at debt to GDP ratios too... it increased as Obama spent us out of the recession. And then it increased again as trump spent us out of the pandemic. We seem to spend our way out of problems.

"The second time it went over 100% was under Obama. It has never been less than 100% at any time after Obama (including the Trump years)."

Idk where you got ^that information but the information I found directly from the government (or from the WH anyway) seems to be different.

Something strange is a foot at the bureau of labor statistics. I think there's been some history revisionism going on here.

I distinctly remember the dept to GDP ratio going of 100% under Obama. It was in the conservative news and more importantly I looked it up on the bureau of labor statistics website.

To say it never went over 100% until the pandemic hit is false. It didn't even drop below 100 the entire time Trump was in office.

I remember all of that. I looked it up.

Well that just goes to show you that you can never trust the government.

I'm not going to call you a liar.. but I have no way to verify the accuracy of your memory of whatever the charts were before.

Post it

"I'm not going to call you a liar."

Well let me put it this way. I would not have asked you to go look at the debt to GDP ratio if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. And actually it was some lib on ImgFlip who pointed out with stats from the BLS about how the debt to GDP ratio was over 100% under Trump. I had just assumed it had come down because the economy was doing better. I looked it up and he was right. But now it is below 100%. There's some funny business going on at the BLS. Now I don't even trust the Labor Participation stats you posted. They looked similar to what I saw but I thought it went back up a little more under Trump. However, I will accept what you found on that because it wasn't a major difference if there was any difference at all. But the debt to GDP is something else. That is a massive change.

I should have realized that the economy had been doing better but Trump's spending was on par with every Democrat in the last century.

You wanna know where you can find 81 million Biden voters? No where. They don't exist

The Democrat motto has always been: Vote Democrat and vote as many times as you can.

That's what Dems did. The Dems motto: Vote until we win and then keep voting.

Republicans: the election was secure.
Republican president: vote twice.

Calling takeout for delivery is worth a try too! Almost.

Oooohhhhh That phone call. He was ordering a 11,780 topping pizza. You guys got it all wrong. He can order that many toppings because he's rich.

Happy Meals?

"Yeah, all going 100% automated. Pretty soon the only place to get a job in flyover states is at the Walmart, given that the Military doesn't accept dropouts,,,"

I know for a fact that my job will be done by AI eventually. I'm a software developer. We are the ones who create the code that makes things like ImgFlip happen. If you see it on your computer it is because someone like me wrote the code to make it happen.

We keep getting closer and closer to AI doing our jobs for us. But that's okay I also pretty close to retirement so it won't matter to me.

Nooooooooooo-o.

You see translucent captions here? I MADE that happen. AndrewFinalyson & a certain someone in HQ then developed it from there, so now we have that in a way that's more easily applicable and also the same ability with images too.

That's the original translucent color in the meme, btw,,,

Given that you're stuck at basic Impact font with shadows level, well,,,

He does like him some McDonald's doesn't he?

What if he bought the McDonalds restaurant chain, he could called it McDonald Trump. Then he could put his picture on all of the McDonalds and just continue to piss liberals off every time they drove by a McDonald Trump's. Who knows, he might even make them serve better quality food. McDonalds is already going lib proof. Every city or state that imposes a repressive minimum wage, McDonalds just turns their restaurants into 100% automated. And that is how the left kills low wage jobs.

Yeah, all going 100% automated. Pretty soon the only place to get a job in flyover states is at the Walmart, given that the Military doesn't accept dropouts,,,

No, no, no and no. This is a normal color print and she's hiding her eyes. Your usual is a sepia toned image of a chick with freaky eyes.

gaagh, you lobbed what I said back at me!

Are we having fun or what?

So you're saying it was an almost 95% turnout... 🤪

Yup... thanks for proving the fraud...

Muh FraudDdDd!!1 😭

Thanks for demonstrating that y'all don't actually care because your mind is already made up.

MORE votes than registered voters=
proof of fraud!!!

LESS votes than registered voters =
also proof of fraud!!!