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What difference does it make? The Palestinian people would be doomed regardless of which of these two fascistic imperialists are in charge.

Didn't the riots happen under Trump?

Oh yeah they did.

Next.

my how soon we forget those pesky details...

When it comes to Trump and Biden, you believe failures are due Democratic Presidents, Mayors, and Governors, yet only Republicans are responsible for successes. Not only that, this foolish bias is backed up by your propensity where you favor things that confirm your existing beliefs. If that conclusion supports your existing beliefs, you'll rationalize anything that supports it. THat's like 3 biases rolled into one set of behavior. Yuck. That's unhinged.

What the F are you talking about? Number one, republicans are just as useless as democrats but in different ways. Yes, democratic governors and mayors are responsible for problems in democratically controlled cities like chicago, my home. Reading your inane, pointless, dribble you posted was unhinged of me.. I should have just ignored it.

The individuals comitting the crimes are responsible. Not the leaders who run the city, not its people. I don't know why you think that leaders are responsible for the actions of people not in service to the US.
Let me be clear, the mayor is in charge of how the city is run, the governor is in charge of how the state is run. They don't make laws, they sign them. They enact policy. People who break that policy (and only then) are the responsibility of the state by making sure justice is served. The state, the county, the city, is not responsible for its free citizens. Otherwise, they'd be watching your every move. That is, they'd have hard evidence and knowledge of where you are, the individual - and no, your phone's GPS doesn't count as you aren't a phone.
Each person is responsible for their own actions, it is the role of law to make sure you are held accountable for your actions if they are against policy/law.

Obviously, there's a difference if she had told them to do these things and commit crimes, like telling them to fight, and not let themselves be taken advantage of.

They are responsible when they keep reducing the punishment for breaking the law. Weak on crime legislation absolutely has an effect on crime.. it causes it to get worse. People are no longer afraid to go to jail because they are not prosecuted. Weak leadership leads to a breakdown of society, we are seeing it right now as we speak, 20 miles from my house homeless black Americans are rallying against the city for trying to house illegals here.. taking their resourses, I was sitting in my truck watching it unfold, these people are at a breaking point and it is not going to get better. This is a result of weak leadership and lack of moral courage to say the simply word "no".

Mayor Johnson said he also had this "Bring Chicago Home" initiative, which would lower the tax on the sale of the vast majority of homes in Chicago, while raising the real estate transfer tax on property valued at $1 million or more, to help raise about $100 million a year to fight homelessness. So, seems like he's working at the root of the problem.

He also sought to ensure that twenty-four thousand young people were employed for summer positions that we are working to build and capacity for year-round positions; also working with faith community, the business community, the philanthropic community to make critical investments.

Sounds like he's working at the problem from the individual end. Instead of cracking down and putting more people in "the system" he's trying to lift people up so they won't be caught in this rut forever.

Seems to me like he's got the right approach. Fascism achieves nothing, but only rubs the sticks of injustice and oppression. It affects the entire community, not just the people involved in crime. Perhaps, we should keep the FBI tagged on ALL of MAGA because we've seen MAGA commit crimes before right?

It isn't right to punish the entirety of a community because people act poorly. There is no "simple fix" for something that is characteristic of any race.

Johnson panders to criminals and it shows , his leadership is not only lacking but it is not even there.

So, you want young Kamela Harris?

Because she is not changing her stance for any other reason then political ones, if she got fired right now and went back to being a prosecutor, she would be doing the exact same things again. You can see she has no concrete stance on anything, she agrees with who ever is in charge or what ever side will favor her the most. AOC is out of her mind but I really believe she has concrete stances on things. Harris does not.

I'll be responding in the context of having read your comment, being confused by it, and asking you line by line what you're talking about. Because you lost me.

Because she is not changing her stance (We're still talking about criminal justice, I assume) for any other reason then political ones (Which Political ones? How do you know they're politically motivated?) , if she got fired right now and went back to being a prosecutor, she would be doing the exact same things again (That's conjecture, you don't know that for certain and is not a strong premise to support your argument as it's basing it on an "if".) You can see she has no concrete stance on anything,

(... Gonna write a little paragraph here about why that's important.)

(I find that when people are able to articulate what they mean by "It's complicated." I respect that more as I oppose binary thinkers of the yes or no variety on policy. She could, in principle, say that she opposes something. But she also recognizes that each situation that could be brought before her could be unique. And if she were to say "Yes" to something potentially controversial, even though her statement is well-intended, political opponents will use that against her in a dishonest manner by completely mischaracterizing her stance based upon a binary, yes/no answer. This is classic politics, both sides do it, and I respect her more for having apprehension in her words, unlike some previous people in power. If MAGA showed the world anything, is that they can't comprehend a world that doesn't have 100%s. That anything can be re-told in a negative light which is still true to the beholder of the truth.)

she agrees with who ever is in charge or what ever side will favor her the most. (So what you're saying is, she has her own agenda to fill, and she is a teamplayer?) AOC is out of her mind but I really believe she has concrete stances on things. (Yeah, she does. I think it's not something she wants to emulate, but the consensus among democrats and moderates is that Democrats have been too soft-spoken and by the book in recent years. So, AOC represents pushing limits within the rules of decorum and order; except when she takes 5-10 seconds over her speaking time.) Harris does not. (Because she doesn't operate that way. Narrow-mindedness is not always a good thing..

Let's agree to disagree on Harris.

Why are you insisting on that I want anyone even remotely like a braindead muppet that stands for nothing and changes her position whenever the political winds blow?

Someone who never changes their view is someone who never learns. Why do you think she's a braindead muppet for learning from her mistakes and changing her stance on the criminal justice system?

Wasn't MAGA yelling at Kamela Harris for being too harsh on crime?

No, they werre pointing out her hypocrisy for jailing so many black men for weed as she was oinking about the amount of black men in jail being unfair.

So, this "hypocrisy" seems like it's being improperly used. At least, you're saying she's guilty until proven innocent. In which, that would also make you a hypocrite. So, let he without sin cast the first stone? I'll explain.

It is hasty of you to judge why she would change her views on this system. Hindsight is 2020. I am sure, at the time, this seemed like a viable option to fix a very real issue. However, she now works to unstick the position that you created. So, given that you think we need more fascism, where does she fall for you? Should she have stayed with her previous view, which you seem to favor in its flavor of policy in supreme oppression, or are you critical of her actions for enacting the law in the first place?

Sounds like you need a Young Kamela Harris in Chicago to crack down on crime, right?

Let me redo my previous comment, where does Harris fall in for me? She is a hypocrite of the highest caliber that should not be in any level of power what-so-ever. She jailed people for minor offenses, I never advocated for anything of the like. I want strict control of our streets to end the massive violence that is taking lives by the hundreds every month, black ,white and every other community. For some reason you keep trying to label me as some kind of hard core fascist that wants to crush the little guy, that can not be further from my position. People should not be going to prison for drugs 1. They should be going to rehabilitation centers so they can receive both physical and mental therapy to get them off the dope. Not sit ina cell next to murderers and rapists. 2. Yes, extreme responses needs to be used against the gangs - if you want to call that fascism ,then so be it. I can hear gun fire at night when I have my windows down, in the morning I hear about the murder rates in my home town on the news..can you say the same? If not , then you will always look at my position on this as "extreme".

Offered what help?

When trump offered to send in the National guard to help curb the murder rates in chicago Lori lightfoot (aka Beetlejuice) said "she don't want none of trump's nazis marching through Chicago", 2 years later she begged for help from the feds.. go figure.

No he didn't.

Then this

But there's not this:

"trump offered to send in the National guard to help curb the murder rates in chicago"

The violence and murder rates is exactly why Trump brought up sending in national guard.

Again, no, he did not.

""I am mobilizing all available, federal resources, civilian and military, to stop the rioting and looting to end the destruction and arson and to protect the rights of law abiding Americans, including your Second Amendment rights," Trump said, adding that he recommended local elected officials "dominate the streets" with the National Guard and "an overwhelming law enforcement presence." From the same article.

Thanks for pointing to the part where Trump offered Authoritarian Fascism. The Article goes on:

""If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump continued. During his speech, law enforcement dispersed a peaceful demonstration outside the White House by firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs to allow Trump to later walk through the area where they were gathered on his way to a nearby church, where he posed for a photo holding a Bible.

On Tuesday, Lightfoot called into question both the legality of deploying the military, as well as whether or not Trump would actually do so.

"Keep in mind, this is a man who likes to bluster. Even before I was mayor, this man indicated he was gonna send in the feds, whatever that means," Lightfoot said, referring to Trump's threat to send federal authorities to Chicago as he criticized the city's violence.

"So let's not overreact," Lightfoot continued. "But we will be prepared. And if he does something that foolish, we're not having military roam our streets."

"They're not trained in de-escalation. They haven't built trust and authentic relationships with people in our community. And we are not going to give over our city to the military so the president can play to his re-election. That's not going to happen. Period," she added.

In an appearance on "TODAY" early Tuesday, Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker also shot down the idea that Trump would send the military in on legal grounds.

"He was clearly trying to create a reality TV show environment, make himself look like he's some sort of law-and-order president when in fact he's fomenting more violence with his rhetoric," Pritzker said."

He was advertising fascism on national television.

almost 500 people murdered and nearly 2000 people , and 270 kids under 16 shot in Chicago alone in 2023... Maybe a touch of fascism to stop the black on black murder rates might be a good thing?

You heard it here first folks, "Fascism might be a good thing."

Let's follow that line of thinking...

Yeah, you're right. "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition..." So, we need to make sure to take the guns away to stop male-on-male crime. And male-on-female crime. Statistics show that Men make up the majority of violent crimes by a large margin. So we should be more fascistic toward men and should forcibly suppress them through fascism and strip away their guns.

Wow, when you focus on problematic demographics, instead of focusing on the major underlying cause, it can make the other numbers seem not so bad. I mean, bad stuff is still happening from the female demographic, but we can just hand wave that because it's not as important as what we can easily target.

... Right?

Your reading comprehension needs work, seems like you only read what you want to. I said - "Maybe a touch of fascism to stop the black on black murder rates might be a good thing?"
Never said a "full blown an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition..." lol

I think that a heavy police/military presence with full authority to use force , deadly if nessesary, in crime ridden cities where children are being mowed down by roving gangs. Stop and frisk is a must in these parts, Abandoned homes used for drug addicts should be bulldozed, known gang headquarters should be raided and seized, illegals that are members of ANY gang should be permanently deported and if found crossing into the country again, executed.

Law abiding, citizens should be safe from criminals and not slaughtered by the dregs of human society. I do not understand why leftists pander to these scum of the earth. Btw the major underlying cause of the crime is a backwards, law hating, thug culture that is being cultivated in the black communites.

So, "a touch of fascism" just involves leaving out the centralized autocracy. I never said the description was inclusive of all the terms as fascism is not a binary construct. Obviously, fascism falls on a scale.

My suggestion involved only to remove the guns from male hands as they are the largest offender between males and females. We would use this with the least force possible, providing males plenty of chance to turn in their firearms, then we start serving notices, then if they're still not turning them over, start knocking on doors, asking questions, then serve warrants for arrest, crack down on them. Because, we want to avoid the use of military force as much as possible, because fascism is bad.

Since males are not being targeted as a political opposition, but merely opposition of academic fact wherein males commit the most gun crimes, this rules out the descriptive characteristic of "forcible suppression of opposition." We would maintain our democracy, and since we're talking about as you said "Black communities in chicago" we aren't talking about borders or immigration. Don't know why you brought that up. If people make violent stands where they need to take the guns from their "cold dead hands" would be the only point in which we would consider use of the military - as a last resort.

What you're suggesting is classic American-Fascism. (Fascism without the autocracy - jury's still waiting to hear from the dictator)

We can stop the individuals commtting the crimes by keeping a heavy police force in the areas with the most crime, I brought up the military because some gangs in Chicago are backed by the Cartels in Mexico, Gangs like the Latin Kings out gun the police, if police alone tried to disban that gang for example, way to many cops would be killed. We don't need to stomp on Constitutional rights on every day Americans.. we need to stomp on the ones committing the crimes and stop with the kid gloves. Most crimes, as you said, are committed by males.. but most males are not criminals - Criminals make up a small violent portion on our society and they are getting worse because of weak democratic policy. I want to hit with pin point accuracy not carpet bombing..

Over-policing allows police to use excessive force and brutalize disenfranchised neighborhoods and target people of color indiscriminately.

You ever watch straight-outta compton? The problem is you're still focusing on race.

Second problem, let's say we do this, how many police do you want per block? You heard of Guerilla warfare? Gangs will adapt, learn how to make targeted focused stings at police officers and be gone before backup can arrive.

Fascism is not the answer, especially when focusing on race. They'll start having pavlovian trauma responses every time they see a person of color.

So, how about we deal with the larger demographic that isn't bound by race? Let's focus on males who make up a greater majority by a greater margin than black crime to white crime.

But let's be real here:

"Black on black" crime is the wrong thing to focus on because nearly every race is likely to be killed by their own due to how close they are to eachother in their neighborhoods. Approximately 82% of white people are killed by (guess who?) white people. This is due to the fact that many neighborhoods in America are *still* segregated by race only by tradition and how long it takes for neighborhoods to change over time. Of course, if you, one day decide to kill someone, you’re probably going to kill someone who lives in your area and looks like you. Why is it that no one mentions “white on white crime” when a white person kills a white person? I'll tell you:

That’s because the phrase “Black-On-Black” crime is only used to stomp down on the Black community and no one else.

The issue of Black-On-Black crime is often pinned on Black people. The logic is that “MaYbE iF yOu GuYs JuSt sToPpEd KiLliNg EaCh OtHeR, tHe PrObLeM wOuLd EnD.” What people don’t stop to think about is the root of Black-On-Black crime.

Black people killing each other at high rates is a direct output of white supremacy. Crime is a result of socio-economic status, meaning that if you are poor, you are more likely to commit a crime. Black people are one of the two racial groups with the highest poverty rates, along with Native Americans.

In the 1960s, because of white supremacist ideals, all-white schools were given more funding than schools of color. Even after legal segregation in schools ended, even today, research shows that School Districts where the majority of students enrolled are students of color receive $23 billion less in education funding than a majority-white school district.

Trump advertising more crimes as President it seems:
""And the fact is, what he called for yesterday is illegal. States can only call in the federal troops if they ask for it. Our state's not asking for it. I don't know any governor that would or will. We are dealing with it. Many of us called up the National Guard to support local law enforcement, but we're also protecting the rights of the peaceful protesters because they have legitimate concerns that need to be heard," he added.

Trump's speech on Monday came hours after a conference call with state governors in which he derided them as "weak" and said they "look like fools" for not calling up more of the National Guard. During that call, Pritzker raised concerns about the president's rhetoric with Trump himself - sparking a heated exchange.

"We've called out our National Guard and our state police, but the rhetoric that's coming out of the White House is making it worse," Pritzker said. "And I need to say that people are feeling real pain out there and we've got to have national leadership in calling for calm and making sure that we're addressing the concerns of the legitimate peaceful protesters. That will help us to bring order."

Trump responded by slamming the Democratic governor's rhetoric surrounding the coronavirus pandemic. Pritzker has appeared on national television several times in recent weeks to criticize the federal response to the outbreak, which has killed more than 100,000 people nationwide."

Thanks for reminding me he's a crooked politician who wants to wield the power of the Presidency as a weapon against the people of USA.

Time to wake up, sleepy head.

No. he. didn't.

And you KNOW that.

You know what, I already have a full assortment of truth comment bans for this week from you and your kind. Say whatever you want, kid. I'm done with you.

You can always post what you claim Trump did. But you didn't because you couldn't.

But bruh, some little old lady in Prague got her purse snatched. That wouldn't have happened if Drumpfy was prez!

Are you sure about that?

seems like what was said is more important than what was done to you... but what else would I expect from you. There was calm in the world, and now there are two major wars happening.. that is the proof I observe.

Calm in what world? Riots were a daily thing, clashes between people on the increase, and the trailer park paint ball enthusiasts were talking civil war between rounds of mommy stuffing their fat mouths with Hot Pockets!

I don't know why it surprises me, but Trump supporters ability to forget reality when it comes to Trump always surprises me.

Like, "what the f**k?!?" levels of surprise.

Ability to forget reality, or just feigning it?
It's just a bit too widespread and complete to attribute to bad memory capacity. It literally is a cult centered around deliberate dissembling.

That's part of the deal with being in a cult, right? Dear Leader is the best and only does good things. Anything bad needs to go in the memory hole.

People rioted in his name, some dying in the process, others have even killed family members. The very ilk that wanted to nuke the USSR for simply being now favor Putin's Russia over the USA.
Do you recall anyone ever in US gov't for whom anyone did anything remotely approaching this in the name of?

Shit, I forgot about his dumbass trade war.

hahaha, "Let them eat rotted soybeans!"

Meanwhile 'Vanka and the Kusch cut 6 business deals with China from the WH and Donny himself made one major one for the Co.

things are much better now....... ffs

Before and after. Remember Occupy Wall Street? Remember how it suddenly ended?

And yes, they are now. Well, other than those civil wars the MAGAtrons were going to wage everytime Donny is indicted.

So...those Black Lives Matter riots that "destroyed whole cities" was...what?

He was all in on supporting Saudi Arabia and escalating the conflict in Yemen. He vetoed any bill to block arms sales meant to stop the conflict. https://www.npr.org/2019/07/25/745200244/trump-vetoes-bills-intended-to-block-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia

Oh, and Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist, was murdered and dismembered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Yeah, and there was that time Trump ordered the assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, which sparked demonstrations here in the US. Thankfully, the Iranians backed away from a war with us. This was after he blew up the treaty we'd signed with them to reduce sanctions and bring them into the rest of the world.

He deliberately dismantled and hollowed out the State Department, the department in charge of diplomacy. He made it harder for communication to exist between the United States and other countries.

He expanded the DoD budget by 23%.

And that's just the highlights.

Oh, the bullshit he pulled in Sub-Sahara Africa with Chad, Nigeria, and South Africa.

He made things worse. Constantly.