Dosen't it make more sense to do that? Even if for hunting, there are other ways to spend time that isn't so destructive.

So you want the evil racist homophobe gov to be the ones with guns super smart liberal here

I believe change can be made peacefully, without the need for guns. What would guns in the hands of the people achieve? How can you fight hate with more hate? What could you do with guns, shoot up the white house? What are the chances of actually making a positive change through weapons?

Overall, guns are not adding any value to the equation here, so why do we even need them? They are just adding more fear and paranoia to an already very tense situation in the USA, and among the people, fostering a feeling of fear and suspicion even towards harmless delivery people just trying to deliver a package.

Something I've said many a time on this website-
1st Amendment gives The People the Right to tell Government - "Screw off!"
2nd Amendment gives The People the Right to tell Government - "Don't even think about it!"

Some of us live in dangerous areas thanks to liberal policies lol if the whole nation was a giant gated community we could START that conversation but still there's the evil government problem

It's just a matter of finding the most logical president to rule the country. Rule by logic and reason is by far the best option instead of with each party's agendas

Every four years we get a new one it's frustrating I agree

Sometimes I look at single-party countries. At least they actually care about benefiting the country, because in democracies, every 4 years the progress of the previous president is wiped off and the new president imposes their own policies which are then wiped off by the next president.

If you take presidency knowing your hard work is just gonna be erased by the next president, you wouldn't care about taking care of the country. You'd just care about making the most out of it for yourself, that's why corruption and scandals are so prevalent in democracies around the world.

Seems to me the two party system is in cahoots with each other to push one way then the other but keep the power that way. That way they can keep doing illegal wars and stuff. It's almost like a swamp that needs to be drained. Thats why we need an outsider who's a real leader to come in but they also control the election process which makes it difficult to actually get that guy in.

EXACTLY! Thank you! That is exactly my point.

An outsider, a logical person who hasn't been affected before already by all of these campaigns and opinions from the two major parties. Someone who can take control for a longer time and actually achieve some long term goals without getting replaced

Well the people are waking up and that was how they took over was by putting the people to sleep with distractions and also just not educating us. It's supposed to be up to us to choose our leaders and that's not what was happening
They still control the media which is huge but there is a new culture of journalism trying to break through the censorship, big tech is trying to kill it but we can't let that happen.
Power to the people.

Yes, I agree. Power to the people!

Now the ones in charge, Republican or Democrat, regardless, are always taking control of media and outlets, and no matter how neutral they are, there will always be some form of subtle bias, some misinformation, some hidden agenda, that are meant to slowly but surely sway people's attention and make them aligned with one party or the other.

But still, call me crazy, but on my list of priorities, I care a little more about ensuring rights and justice for all over power to the people. Because this is a difficult problem: technically they're more or less allowed to spread media with bias, because the parties are using the right of free speech to do that.

So hold on
You think you can stop criminals from attaining firearms? They will always somehow get them. You remember when America tried to ban alcohol? It became an enormous issue when people started selling it illegally. This isn’t a “I put it on paper, therefore you no longer own guns”. You’d have to go to each person who owns a gun’s house, take them all, and then you’d have to somehow find a way to make selling them underground impossible. It’s not that easy, mate.

I never said it was easy. Change never is.

And yes, I remember Prohibition. That was because the very image of alcohol had become so deeply imbued in society, that people could no longer live without. It was an addiction, a vice. But guns are different. Yes, I am aware there is such a thing as an addiction to guns, but over time, I believe the addiction can be removed.

I understand, of course, that that would breed an enormous black market of guns. But the thing is, instead of Alcohol, which people use to drink and consume, what would people do with guns? You can't consume them. They would likely just be gathering dust in some secret part of the home. You can't really use them, because the police would just see the gunshots and more or less eventually
catch whoever is responsible. They would become a liability, a liability that would get the owner arrested if found in his home.

So, if there really will be a black market for guns, what would be the motivation for the normal law abiding citizen to get a gun? Now not only do you have to pay sums of money to underground gangs, you also have to live in fear of getting arrested for something that you might not even get to use in your whole life. Why would anyone want that?

As for the difficulty of retrieving all the guns, well, i believe that if people are properly motivated, and the reasons of gun prohibition are laid bare, then i can foresee a large amount of people turning in their guns, at least. For those that won't, well, force may have to be used, but only if necessary and the gun owner becomes hostile.

I rest my case.

But are you proposing we turn everyone’s houses inside-out, just to see if they have a gun?
This is hilarious, man! Sure, yeah, some people will turn in their guns, but you can pretty easily hide them! I suppose there could be dogs sniffing for them and what not, but overall, what you’re proposing is ridiculous and impossible.
If you take away our second amendment, which amendments are going to go next? Freedom of speech?

The simple fact is this: even if idiots decide to take away the right to bear arms, it’s totally impossible to make 100% sure people don’t have them in possession. So forget it. It’s not happening like you want it to. It could happen, but every method of enforcement that I can think of is easily fallible.

Do you own anything of Private Property Value Bruticus?
A car? Maybe even a house?
Of course in the UK you likely own the building, yet the Royal Family owns the Dirt it is built upon.

Just curious if you'd be willing to enlighten us and "state your case" for Private Property Ownership?

No, thank you. I do not want this to keep spiralling into a whole debate about every single issue that's happening in the USA. Maybe in the future, i will tackle private property, but for now's it's gun ownership.

And yes, I am proposing we turn everybody's houses inside out. It will be a very very long fight, and yes, it will probably never reach 100%, but i think we can reduce it to a minimal level. And again: we don't need gun control if people know how to use their guns responsibly, locking them up out of underage children's reach, not blindly shooting delivery guys, and generally not pulling the armory out every time you see some black people near your house.

So it's either no guns, or learn how to use it responsibly.

To Quote Dan Akroyd on SNL in the mid 1970's: "JANE, YOU IGNORANT S**T ! "

Obama wrote The Audacity of Hope. You, BruticusCreations, write the Audacity of Ignorance.

Gun Ownership of our neighbors is their Private Property, is it not?

You've already dove into it head first when you discuss another's property other than your own, and what they ought do with it. No?

Quite presumptuous are such TWITS, ones that put their noses in others legal and lawful business.
Did your parents not teach you to mind your own manners? Nor your grandparents?
Shame on you, and shame on them for you.

Such pompous asinine blunder, to think that people in the USA will lay down, and allow anyone to enter their houses and homes without a warrant to be turned inside out. It is ridiculously laughable how you really don't know USA citizens at all, Urban nor Rural. Your underestimation will be the demise of your dream that is not thought out completely. When you say, "I am proposing we turn everybody's houses inside out." One can hope you are willing to personally collect property that does not belong to you. Thou Shalt Not Steal. When you steal, you shall be swiftly dealt with on site. One can surmise they shall forgive you for not understanding your apparent Folly, on account of your ignorance having not read the U.S. Constitution, nor understanding it as a Republic.

At least the Australians have more couth, and just guilted their citizens into voluntary dumping of their weapons into refuse bins in front of their homes when they went collecting.

Your foolish notions above, only entertain the absurd, and your words if taken seriously, allegedly only incite and endanger those citizens that are neighbors with people that exercise their legal and lawful self protection of life, liberty, and property. Your fantasy is fallacy.

A parting word of unsolicited advice for an ignorant soul such that you see in the mirror each day.
One might imagine to suggest you cap it, meaning your big fat overflowing pie insert opening. For one day, you'll open it to a Free Human not under the skirt of her majesty as yourself,
only to discover you've gone too far for chivalrous discourse. Your "fight" will be one you lose.
One imagines quite rightfully so, too.

For added comfort, sleep soundly with the knowledge that USA citizens pray for their enemies,
as well as their allies.

You know, you use a lot of big words and poetic words, but I don't think you really understand what they mean. You just hide behind grandiose statements and shakespearian era language when, taken away, just reveal a petrified person huddled in a corner with a collection of guns and a fear, a fear of change, a fear of people of the opposite color, a fear of anyone who isnt male or female, a fear of anything deemed 'unholy' by priests who convey God's message

But regardless, the USA is falling. No longer will they watch 'O'er the ramparts', so prominently as they did last time. Will the star spangled banner still wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave? Back then, the answer would have been a steadfast Yes. But now? Maybe not. Home fo the brave? Yes, definitely. Free? Yes, if you're a gun loving, dual gender only, America for the Whites conservative.

Whatever. We won't solve the problems afflicting the USA in an imgflip comment debate. I might not know the USA well. To be very honest? I haven't even been there before. But know this: The world order is changing. America does not stand so tall as it did back then. And when the world order changes, and new countries rise to the top and old ones fall? I will watch from the safety of my own country, far away from the US as the balance of power shifts and chaos breaks out and blood is spilt over what was once the world's most powerful country.

Karma will come, and one day the west, who attacked and ruthlessly murdered and stole from the east will fall, destroyed by the very nationalism and patriotism that had helped it to rise to the top in the first place.

I only hope your praying is enough that perhaps not everything will fall and crumble as the face of the new world order looms over the graveyard of the old.

Wow.
Thank you for your unenlightened elaboration and insinuation.

Your accusations are astounding, and infantile.

Yes, it would seem that way, wouldn't it?

Until common Americans realise their safety and protection they have come to take for granted won't always be there for them.

To be honest, I pity you. If you had been born a little earlier, perhaps you could have lived in the 20th century, America's prime time, and died before the problems of the 21st. But, you're alive now, and someone must pay after what happened all those years ago, after all. The Divided states of America is only a manifestation of the retribution and the karma that was bound to come in one form or another anyways.

ROTFL, please stop, my ribs hurt.

There is no such thing as common Americans.
We are all uncommon, and humbly underestimated.
Each State in these United, has yet to reach it's prime.

A fool will reap what they sew with their own comments on karma.
Hubris will be ones certain demise in these times to be.

Those that won't put their hat in the ring, are a poor and timid soul, ones that
shall know neither victory nor defeat. (to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt)

What commonwealth nation did you belong, prior to moving to England?

Your ribs hurt? ‘Humbly underestimated?’ ‘Yet to reach its prime?’

If you’re already rolling on the floor laughing, what do you think I am doing?

WHAT has the government been feeding you? Patriotic cigarettes? Nationalist meth powder? You are really really crazy to think it has yet to reach its prime.

Hello? Earth calling Urbandwellers. Did you take a wrong turn in Marty’s DeLorean? It’s the 21st century, in case you’d been living under a rock. Stop living in the past. The United States’ prime time is over. It’s done.

Yes, i will definitely reap what I sow. Look at the state of the United States. Is what I’m saying really not possible? And the United states’ hubris will be their demise.

I won’t put my hat in the ring, when I know the ring will burst into flames, consuming the very people who deserve it. The true winner is the ‘poor and timid soul’ who will stay back and flee while they can while the USA tears itself apart.

I don’t live in a commonwealth country. Never have. But here’s a clue to where I live: At least we still have our twin towers standing, unlike you.

Develop a NAVY, then report back

Except that an ever increasingly authoritarian leftist-minded federal government has just been found guilty by a federal judge of deliberately violating the 1st Amendment rights of conservatives for political reasons. An unarmed citizenry is a population of serfs.