Unpopular Opinion Puffin

America is kidding themselves

it's cruel when done without anesthetic or medical necessity. when it's done under anesthetic for medical reasons it's just disappointing.

@kathylee213 I'm talking about routine infant circumcision that is done without a medical reason, you should have to be 18 or older to get circumcised, it shouldn't be the parents decision.

did you see where i said "it's cruel when done without anesthetic or medical necessity." i'm not disagreeing with you about routine infant circumcision. however if i'd left my boys to have it done of their own volition after they reached the age where they could make their own medical decisions, they'd have had multiple infections, pointless pain and could have permanent damage. they were done at 18 months and 2 years respectivly because i decided that the doctor was correct and that repeated infections were a worse option for them than keeping the foreskin that trapped urine every time they peed. and luckily i don't live in the states so hooray for us, we were allowed to fix it with a minimum of fuss and a short period of discomfort for them both. mummy was still sorry that their little peens were sore though.

Mutilation of children as far as I'm concerned.

Actually there are many health benefits to circumcision that have been proven by science time and time again, it greatly reduces the risk of getting many kinds of STDs and other types of infections.

Actually, that's simply not true. It kinda makes sense in a third-world country with bad water, but anywhere you can safely wash your dick frequently, there's no benefit. The original studies done in the US that claimed it reduces your chances of getting STDs were conducted by Jews, who used fellow orthodox Jewish teenagers (who were all virgins) as the circumcised test group, and randomly selected college students as the control test. It's hardly surprising that the average college student was more likely to have an STD than someone who's a virgin. Basically all studies that try to claim conclusively that there are medical benefits to being circumcised are were performed either by Jews or Muslims (as well as some Christian groups) and have been discredited by scientists numerous times as biased and borderline propaganda. The only actual benefit of being circumcised (assuming you do in fact wash your p**is) is that it reduces the risk of certain kinds of cancer that are so rare, that you are more likely to save your kid's life by preemptively removing his nipples (a far less useful part of the male body) in order to prevent breast cancer. So yes, assuming you never wash your p**is, circumcision is healthier, but it's still healthier to be uncircumcised and wash your p**is. Plus, you don't loose the majority of your p**is's sensitivity.

Incorrect meme farmer, I have looked into this extensively.

So have I. What are the benefits you propose come with circumcision?

I already told you bro. You just didn't think the source of the information was reliable even though I never said what the source was. You erroneously assumed it was from "Jews and Muslims" because I guess that's the only information you chose to look at. Fact is, the CDC endorses circumcision for health reasons. They say the benefits outweigh the risks. You can disagree all you want but that's the truth, and it has nothing to do with any religious institutions.

The studies that are the basis for the CDC's conclusion were performed almost exclusively in Sub-Saharan Africa, where medical and sanitary resources are far poorer and more limited. Third-world circumstance such as this are a situation in which circumcision does makes sense, as I stated in my original comment. But the CDC's assessment, that the benefits outweigh the risks, has been widely criticized by medical organizations the world over, who point out (as the CDC itself acknowledges) that the effect of circumcision in a third-world country may very well not translate to the first world. Some of the CDC's other data is based simply on the statistic that certain STIs are more common in the Black and Latino communities, which have a smaller circumcised population. This source is particularly dubious, as many doctors have pointed out, since there is a correlation between STI prevalence and relative poverty in general. This rule also applies to Australian Aborigines, as well as certain Muslim immigrant populations in Europe, who have higher rates of both STIs and circumcision. Also, I may not have been especially clear in my original comment; what I meant to say was that studies by religious doctors were the only ones that concluded unequivocally that routine circumcision is beneficial. The CDC more loosely claims that the benefits likely outweigh the risks, and could potentially be used, for example, to mitigate the spread of HIV throughout the general population. They have yet to recommend circumcision as a routine default. Moreover, something to keep in mind is that when measuring what the "risks" of circumcision are, a correctly executed and uncomplicated operation is assumed as the basis, and the CDC is only measuring problems that occur in the absence of a foreskin. They do not take into account the risks that come with the surgery itself. And finally, doctors around the world have criticized the CDC for its conclusion because it entirely neglects to mention that HIV and other such STIs are no more prevalent in Europe and parts of uncircumcised Asia than they are in North America and South Korea, where circumcision is far more common.

Welp, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. The research I looked at convinced me that it's not a bad idea at all, and maybe a good idea. I am not an extremist about this though, so I really don't feel like spending time arguing about it. If I was with a woman who wanted to have our future kids circumcised or uncircumcised I really wouldn't care either way.

Fair enough. Keep on memeing, my friend.

Mom waited for my older brother to reach 8 before it became medically necessary. He's in his 60s and still recoils at the pain. Mom learned...the lil bro and I were done within a week of birth. So glad. No memory whatsoever of the pain.

I'd upvote at your agreement of circumcision, but the post includes your brother suffering, and to upvote that is psychotic.

wow, this is an old meme