Communism Is Fascism

They're opposites of each other. They may share similar features in the sense that ALL governments have similar features to some degree, but they're still ideological opposites to each other.

How are they different? They are both authoritarian. Neither is libertarian.

COMMUNism is, by definition, rule by the COMMUNity.

Facism is authoritarian, top-down rule, whereas Communism is bottom-up, except there is no bottom, since all are equal, and it is the people who control the economic and goverment apparatus.

COMMUNism is COMMUNal, Facism is hierarchical.

COMMUNism is internationalist, Facism is nationalist.

Communism is basically pure democracy, the citizen governs.
Fascism puts the state above the individual, the citizen is subservient.

Do they seem different enough to you now, or is that decision making/gov't aspect making them still seem identical to you?

Internationalist government is more "top-down" than nationalist government. Power decentralization makes internationalist government impossible.

Communism is just as hierarchical as fascism. Rule by individuals is more democratic than rule by the community. Communism makes individuals subservient to government, but libertarian government puts individual rights first. Libertarianism is the truly democratic direction because it decentralizes power all the way to the individual.

False.

You're not paying attention. You're going by propaganda based on propaganda (what internationalist goverment? Looks like I missed that one in history class).

I posted basic definitions based on what they were supposed to be, not how bogus attempts which were them in name only turned out, which , like ours and every other gov't, is the same: Oligarchies, and that with a heavy layering of Corporatocracy.

Is that really your only metric? Is Libertarian / Isn't Libertarian?

If individuals are made servants of the state by it, that form of government is deficient, inhumane and unsustainable.

Except that the state is made up of individuals, and in order to serve their own needs, they become servants to it.
Daddy is the head honcho of his family, and he might have the biggest set of brass nuts in town, but ultimately he serves his family while he swings that shiny sack around and they whine about how he didn't camp out on line for 3 days to buy his daughter the latest iPhone.

Ultimately, hierarchies become the only sustainable systems because that's how dust coalesces. No matter what, after the Big Bang you ended up with a stars and their satellites. Basic physics. Adding biology to that equation won't alter the fact that some ants are smaller than others.

If the state is humane, individuals are the highest priority, not GDP. If the state is the highest priority, humans are treated like cattle. If human happiness is the highest priority, individual rights, not the desires of political leaders, need to be prioritized.

Humane? The state is a function, not an actual entity. It does as per the will of the people, regadless of how oppressive. Remember Mussolini? Nicolae Ceausescu? They would have strung up Hugo Chavez too if he was still around.

While it sounds too easy a go-to, Animal Farm, despite what is typically claimed, is about ALL goverments, not just the USSR, which also fell when the people decided it was over.

Yeah, but you can say that about EVERY government! Ever! How is that in any way a useful way to look at the world?

Just because every government is deficient does not mean government cannot be fair. The correct economic system (single tax) is kept hidden from the masses because the rich don't want to give up their servants. They want to keep labor cheap, so they have to keep the working class ignorant of the basic science of economics. But that does not mean fairness is impossible.

Why, you're talking about the bourgeoisie and asking for the proletariat to take control of the reigns of industry,,,

No, it's kept "hidden" from the masses because it's a nonsense system that cannot be implemented. And you can't just say that every government that doesn't do it (which is all of them) are therefore the same as each other - that's just being lazy. Of course they're different. Take a look at politics in Canada and take a look at politics in Kuwait - they're very different experiences, the only thing they really have in common is that neither are the government YOU want, because what you want is an abstract fantasy.

There is a lot of variety in government as we know it, but they are all unfair. That's not so difficult to believe, is it? If someone has power, they use it to keep it, right? So, then they keep it whether it's fair or not for them to keep it. So, since people CAN enslave their nations, they do.

If the single tax (the land issue) were obviously a bad idea, there would be no need for history books and economics books to ignore it. It would be explained and debunked. But, instead, though being a prominent part of history and of economics, the land issue is omitted from the teaching of history and of economics.

The reason is the rich need the poor. Without systemic poverty, there would not be an army of people lined up to drive the limos and keep the gardens. But, if the public knew about the land issue, we would demand the single tax.

Ok, you're not listening.

We KNOW you don't like any of the governments out there. You've made that very clear. We're aware of that.

What we're trying to tell you is that this has caused you to mistakenly assert that Fascism and Communism are the same thing. Remember that? Remember the meme you wrote at the top of this page?

But governments aren't all the same just because you don't like them. That's nonsense.

Fascism is intimidation by a potentially violent mob. Communism is a more organized version of the same situation. Whether there is a strong central leader or a quibbling council in charge, the effect will be the many paying the few for land and for the right to work or make money. Big government, small government does not matter. Size of government doesn't change the effect on the masses, which is, in effect, serfdom.

LOTS of governments have used violent mobs to suppress dissent, not just those two.

Indeed, to some extent, ALL governments prepare varying degrees of crowd control powers to maintain control in times of dissent.

IT IS A MEANINGLESS COMPARISON. You haven't SAID anything this way. Fascism and Communism are both governments. Woopty-doo. Why does that make them the same as each other when they both work so hard to be different?

If you just don't know what the difference is, there's nothing wrong with listening to people who do, and then you can go back to your lectures after you have taken this information on board and processed another layer of nuance to what you thought was so simple. But the way you keep harping on features that lead back to the conversation YOU want to have is incredibly transparent. The world will not end if you learn a deeper layer of complexity to that conversation.

You can still be libertarian if you want to be - I really don't care about that. Be whatever you want. But that doesn't mean you can just change what everything else is just to make your own ideology look good.

Every system other than the single tax on land (classical economics) is a form of feudalism, so their differences are irrelevant window dressing. The classical economists offered the antidote to feudalism 300 years ago - tax land ownership instead of labor - but landlords just don't want to give up their ownership of the plantation.

NOBODY CARES THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ALL THE SYSTEMS BUT YOURS! That's not how you learn what the different systems ARE!

Egypt and Nigeria are both in Africa, does that mean they're the same?

They're both run by landed interests. All nations are. They are territories.

ouch... so true

They are not the same, both the flags and the pictures on the wall of the camps are totally different, and the uniform styles are different, too.

"Dems working overtime to decriminalize pedophilia..."

Did you hear about some bill being passed or something? I'm sure that would make national news. Oh wait, you're just making it up.