United States of America

As the unhinged Right reminds us, "Now is not the time to talk about gun control!"

In states with infringing gun control laws, which don't work, and in so-called gun-free zones, which also don't work. Criminals and lunatics don't obey gun control laws.

The problem why the issue is not solved by gun control laws is becuase any area with gun control laws you can just drive a couple hours away to a district without gun control laws and still get a gun easily. You can even get it without providing ID, a background check, or giving your name. There should be a Federal Gun Control Law that applies everywhere and that loophole would be closed. I don't believe in gun free zones because I agree with you they do not work. Lunatics are buying guns legally because Republicans made it legal for lunatics to do so during the Trump Administration. The Obama Administration had regulations which would have made it harder for people that were mentally ill to get guns. But Trump overturned the regulation which is why mass shooters even with mental illness on record were not prevented from buy a gun legally. Criminals do not obey gun laws, you are correct. How do they get their guns? The buy it on the black market from people who go to gun shows and private sellers that are not required to even ask for a name. All they need is cash. If we close these loopholes with sensible legislation then the problem will reduce. Now sure you may think that I am some leftist liberal blah blah blah. But I grew up hunting deer and turkey as our family was poor. I am a supporter of the 2nd amendment. I know what guns are designed to kill what animal. And just as a machine gun made for the military for war is restricted from civilian ownership. AR-15 style rifles which was designed for the military for war also in my view also should not be in civilian hands. As AR-15 style rifles are only designed to hunt/kill a single type of animal and that is human beings.

U-Fed & Darko right now ... You guys don't ever hear "you're right" huh .. not even the voice in your head won't tell you that lie.

Bill Gates should be happy with the population reduction.

How many of these shots were fired in Democrat run cities?

So your not concerned if Americans were killed as long as they were in Democratic run cities?

It doesn't matter who the cities are controlled by. Even if done in a Democratic run city, when you can drive to a Republican district and buy a gun at a local gun show without a permit, showing your ID, or filling out paperwork.. You can get a gun easily. Hell they have done investigations showing teenagers are able to get guns at gunshows without showing ID or filling out paperwork.

Dem laws don't work. Criminals don't follow the laws.

If your argument is laws don't work because criminals don't follow laws... why have any laws?

First off, Gun rights are much more complicated than "any law" as you put it. In your context, any right you seem "dangerous" should be restricted. That's the issue, when different jurisdictions stray from the constitution and establish their own laws that go against the constitution the Supreme Court steps in.
Gun laws could be the same state to state municipality to municipality. Los Angeles should not have different laws than Bakersfield. California should not have different laws than Nevada. The 2nd Amendment is a right of all US citizen.

You don't have to understand this. The Supreme Court & Constitution exist so the non of your elected officials can ever restrict the rights of Americans.

Cry until your neighbors call in for a welfare check. You aren't changing anything libs. Start training in Wing-Chun if you want a upper hand against conservatives but you don't want a gun. Simps.

"any right you seem "dangerous" should be restricted"

Seems to me the majority of laws we have are basically for the protection of our society. That kind of is what laws are for. Speed limit laws, seat belt laws, murder, rape, kidnapping, drugs, current gun laws, even building codes...... all of them (or the vast majority) are meant to protect us from danger.

Singling out only gun laws and saying criminals don't follow the laws therefore we shouldn't have gun laws makes no sense. By that logic why have any laws. Criminals don't follow laws.

Anywho you seem to now be drifting away from that argument and more towards something against state's rights.

I am a 2nd Amendment Supporter. I grew up hunting deer with rifles and turkeys with bows. When I was younger both my family and I were members of the NRA. But back then they were about conservation of the land and gun safety. They were not a political wing of the Republican Party, they were not in the pocket of gun manufacturers, or having Russian funding. But I also believe in the entire 2nd amendment, not just cherry picking pieces of it. My father before I was ever allowed to even touch a gun I had to go take an NRA Gun Safety Training Class. And he actually made me take it again every year. He said it was to ensure that I remained disciplined in the use of firearms. He required me to go hunting and earn the food that was on our table. There is just nothing better than the taste of deer. That being said. I am not in favor of military style rifles invented only for hunting and killing humans to be in anyone's hands who wants one. And it doesn't matter about Democrat vs Republican districts/cities. If there is a Democratic District with Gun Safety Laws. All you have to do is drive no more than 2 hours in any direction and you can generally find another state/district where those gun laws don't apply. From spring to fall you can find a gun show where you can buy them without ID, without a background check, without even giving your name. You just have to go to a private seller at a gun show anywhere in the United States or buy via the internet. Its the way you get around 100% of the laws on guns in the country. I know this personally because thats how I buy them. Why go through the hassle of all the paperwork and waiting when you don't have to because there is a loophole. Afterall. That's where the gangs and criminals are able to get their guns and ignore the laws, so why not everyone else?

I can identify with everything in your post. We most likely grew up in the same era.
I'm certain you owned the same three type guns. Deer and bear rifles, Shotguns, small (.22) cal squirrel and rabbit guns.

There were always handguns around. Usually as finishing off weapon for deer or bear, home protection, or just plinking cans and paper targets.
That said, I also agree with your view on assault style weapons and how they hold no value in realistic and traditional hunting.

As far as purchasing guns, again, I agree with the ease of buying all types of weapons outside of gun shops and bypassing taxes, registrations or documentation of sale.
Problem is, where can you draw a line on the right of American citizens not to be mowed down by high capacity semi autos vs. 2nd amendment rights?

Change is inevitable, but change seems to make some people pissed.

I guess that's where we disagree.. I actually have never bought any guns through a gun shop, never paid taxes, no documents of sale, or registrations. If you don't have to go through the hassle why would you. Before the pandemic you could go to a gunshow anytime between spring through fall every year and buy a gun without ever having to give your name much less anything else. You have cash, they have the guns. But what concerns me in this day and age is that these type of sales are fueling the underground market providing gangs guns and has the potential to be able to provide terrorists guns as well.. Someone could make a living by just buying guns from gun shows and selling them to gangs alone... That's why I would like to see change. Because the world of today is much different than the world we both grew up in.