War On American Culture

Can't help but notice that the flag she's lying on top of and the General's name was from a literal war against American culture.

The Civil war is history, so trying to erase any mention of the Confederacy would be a "war on culture," because history is culture.

Because the Dukes of Hazard is a historical artifact?

Oh yeah? How many German shows do you see on tv where the main characters drive in a car called General Rommel with a swastika painted on the roof?

Even in Germany heritage is complicated. I have known a few Germans over the years whose fathers or grandfathers fought in the war. Sorry history is so complicated. Sorry everyone doesn't think exactly like you.

OK. So did you see any TV shows where the car is named General Rommel with a swastika painted on the roof?

Just two good ol' boys, never meanin' no harm. What the hell did they ever do for you to associate them with the Nazis? Boss Hog maybe, but not the Duke boys.

So when have you seen a German TV show about two harmless good ol' boys from the German countryside whose car is named General Rommel and has a swastika on it?

There are lots of nations within Germany such as Bavaria. Bavarians think of themselves as Bavarian first and German second. The Bavarian flag is displayed everywhere. I am sure you can find the Bavarian flag painted on a car somewhere; however, stock car racing isn't part of German culture.

Catholic Bavaria, which was at war - like the rest of the German States - with it's German neighbors for how many centuries? That's slightly different than calling a temporarily separatist entity which lasted a mere 4 years, "heritage."

When the Dukesenschweitzen of Mecklenburg-Schwerin is a celebrated hit in Deutschland, let me know.

So you know how Southerners should feel about their heritage? I bet you have lots of ideas about how other people should think and feel.

What heritage is that, being primarily descended from penal colony convicts settled their against their will to toil, the lower rungs of the criminal class of England thrown away? Oh, and that slavery thingy that was taken away from them by force? THAT heritage?

Ok. So when have you seen a German TV show about two harmless good ol' boys from the Bavarian countryside whose car is named General Rommel and has a swastika on it?

Zen though: if your cup is full, you can't put anything else in it. First, you have to admit you know nothing about Southern culture so you can learn. The thing you don't understand is that there is a Southern nation. The Nation was defined by the Civil war but it goes beyond the Civil war. I have a Union ancestor but I still identify as Southern. No one used to care about all this. Only in the last few years has it been attacked because all American culture is being attacked.

OK: that's not actually true, is it? The modern day use of the Battle Flag - including the tv show we're discussing - emerged in the 1950's and 1960's as a protest and backlash against the end of segregation. You know that and I know that so what is the value of your lie that nobody cared about it back in the 70's? It was controversial from its start, by design.

Now, have you ever seen a German TV show where the car is called the General Rommel and it has a swastika on it?

Have you ever seen an Irish show where the car is called the Oliver Cromwell?

Have you ever seen a Russian TV show where the car is called the Leon Trotsky?

Isn't your refusal to address this itself evidence that the standard of historical rememberence is NOT the design of a TV car? The Germans haven't erased or forgotten their history and yet, behold! No TV car! How do they do it? Is there some kind of magic? Or were you just wrong from the start?

As I said, you have to empty your cup. The "battle flag" was everywhere including state flags. It is about Southern identity, not a protest against civil rights. Most southerners really hate to see idiots flying the flag in the name of hate. Don't forget there was a backlash against civil rights in the North and West also.

You are definitely not correct. That flag was really not particularly prominent in the South prior to 1948 - people just didn't see it that often. It was only promoted to the level we see it today once the Civil Rights movement started gaining traction, with peak popularity in the late 1960's. It had EVERYTHING to with a protest against civil rights - and everyone knows it, including you. You're pretending you don't, but we both know.

GA flag now has the same "stars & bars" reference as in 1879. "Stars & Bars" is a Confederate flat. The battle flag was included between 1956-2000 and may have had something to do with Civil Rights. Sorry, it's so complicated. Real history is complicated and contradictory, not convenient for memes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)

"Without much attention or even public knowledge, the 1894 Mississippi Legislature, acting on the recommendation of Governor John M. Stone, approved a flag with three bars of blue, white, and red and a canton in the top left corner that contained the Confederate Battle Flag. The 1894 design remained until 2020" https://www.mshistorynow.mdah.ms.gov/issue/the-history-of-mississippi%27s-state-flag#:~:text=Without%20much%20attention%20or%20even,1894%20design%20remained%20until%202020

The deleted scene from Kelly's Heros!

Would that be the tank stuck in the alleyway?
I had to look it up... hahaha

Can't help but notice you're assuming ones gender, is it because there was no ridiculous cultural war on biological identity when that show aired?

It's amazing how what so many have forgotten now used to be the biggest thing all those years ago...

I assure you that transgenderism absolutely was a thing when Dukes of Hazard was airing. Indeed, to take but a small example, the Rocky Horror Picture Show predated the Duke brothers by 4 years.

It's just that the show duly ignored gender entity, and therefore the canonical pronouns are fair game.

To be fair to you, it doesn't surprise anyone to reveal that the shows you watched in 1979 ignored the issues that you didn't want to acknowledge. But they were definitely there.

Is it because there was no RIDICULOUS CULTURAL WAR on BIOLOGICAL IDENTITY when the show aired?

THIS was war, not this silly social media nonsense yammering about little innocuous words that got keyboarders in a tizzy today,,,

Lol, yammering is this, you better believe there is real shit happening away from your keyboard.
Guaranteed you and I are only hearing a small portion...this will continue and get even worse, you can bet on that.
Don't try to feed me B.S about back then, they didn't have a centralized woke government supporting and promoting this nonsense like now.
That was nothing compared to what's to come of this, you wait and see!

No. I told you. There was one, you just ignored it.

The "no" will suffice, thankyou...pleasure as always.

That's clearly not true because I had to repeat myself. Do you not know what "suffice" means?

Back when people actually literally physically fought over these issues, no less. In person.

That sounds like a threat, perhaps mods should take a look.

don't take this the wrong way: the native american culture thing was seen as kind, gracious, and accepting, but the redskins name is debatable and chief wahoo's skin and stuff are pretty rough today.

The Seminole Tribe in Florida supports FSU using its name. This is not about the feelings of Native Americans. Do the research. Studies show that most native Americans don't care. Yes, there are some activists that are offended, but activists are always offended. This is a war on all American culture.

man, i just said that the logos can age poorly. chill out. i'm on your side on all of this. I'm just saying that unless native american groups specifically say if you can or can't use names, like how they protested the indians to change their name and ditch wahoo, then teams should stay out of it. the braves i think they can stay because it's a more direct way to honor the culture, but with a certain tomahawk chant, that's where it gets a little, you know.

Maybe that is fair. It should be looked at case by case, but I am against cleansing American culture of all native American, Confederate, etc. references. I will not wear a Chairman Mao suit and eat grasshoppers.

same, i have no plans to get a communist tattoo and cry about true diversity, being native american, southern, you know. at this point it's a fill-in-the-blanks thing: _____'s want to ban gas stoves claiming they harm people when they're the ones smoking ____.

Where would the booty stream on IMGFLIP be without chicks in Daisy Dukes?

the dukes of hazard were laughed out, is that celebrating?

Wikipedia: "The show aired for 147 episodes spanning seven seasons. It was consistently among the top-rated television series in the late 1970s." Them Duke boys were laughing all the way to the bank.

To keep a long story short, this was true up until Knight Rider showed everyone how it was done and got absolutely crushed in the ratings from that point onwards. Most critics agree that DoH's own reliance on formula coupled with budgetary cuts to the stunt scenes is where the magic was lost.

So you are a TV critic/historian? The point is DoH was a very successful, popular TV show. Reruns were airing until wokism began attacking our culture about 4 or 5 years ago. Lots of people all over the country liked the show. It was not a political show. It was a fun show about Southern culture like Andy Griffith.

The use of the Battle Flag in modern media was ALWAYS political from the start, as I've already discussed.

Knight Rider?
How it was done when it was done by its only truly appealing character being a robot car is not exactly a reproducible model, nor desirable. I loved it, but it was total CRINGE! It was dork tv for dorks like me. They even 'borrowed' from the Cylons for K.I.T.T.'s 'eye'

It was pretty standard by-the-numbers, hapless pretty lady needs help of plastic hunky doofus with less less personality than the car (or even a bucket of water) ending up with ye olde chase scene climaxing in it flying through the air in slo-mo a la Six Million Dollar Man to save the day, yay!

You gotta look at the long term as well, and KR's 4 whole seasons isn't exactly a resident of syndication, whereas 7 seasons of DoH seems to have gotten something of an afterlife in the repeats plus redone on the big screen if I got that right....

Admittedly I hadn't watched DoH back then, but if given the choice today,,,

And I'm not saying it wasn't cringe, but you have to understand that at the time, there were no other TV shows running stunts like Knight Rider.

You will see what I'm talking about immediately if you compare a season 1 Knight Rider show directly with a season 6 or 7 Dukes of Hazard show. Hazard didn't even use stunt drivers, they had like a dinky toy model that they would film doing things things that just aren't physically possible. Imagine someone watching both shows at the time realizing what they had being missing out on for five years.

The Hoff has got to be the patron saint of cringe. Ever see his Heavy Metal songs?

My gosh, a model car? For real? Now I wished I watched it, that sounds hilarious, albeit unintentionally. SCTV specialised in ultra-fake 'low budget' effects (spoofed, for comedic purposes, natch). I love that kind of shit.

those crop tops and camel toe shorts didnt hurt the ratings either...